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Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - December 2008

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by DougJustDoug, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. Erazor

    Erazor ✓ Just Doug It
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    Oct 27, 2008
    You're right. But I never did underestimate Flygon after it got outrage.
  2. TVboyCanti


    Sep 23, 2006
    If somebody posted this I'm sorry, but I'd like to put it out there that when the 5 Rotom form usages are combined (species clause) Rotom is #10 on the standard ladder (53142 uses) and #9 on the suspect ladder (3536 uses).
  3. Veedrock


    Oct 18, 2008

    Like woah. I'm writing a Smoochum analysis (in the rough draft stage right now), and I had a Trick Room set made up for it. Weird. This definitely reinforces that set on it though.
  4. C. Falcon

    C. Falcon

    Oct 4, 2008

    0.6 of Shedinja's have HP Evs...

    Shedinja | HP EV | None | 99.4 |

    Is Gallade still OU?
  5. Veedrock


    Oct 18, 2008
    That's still to be determined.

    It's strange that Shaymin-S is still in the top 50 despite being banned.

    EDIT: Now hold up one minute. Before this month, NFEs were considered to be in the same tier as their FE, correct? This was to be the case until testing could be done (which would be this month).

    Well, explain this (Standard Statistics)

    I'm confused now. I know it's not a listed Uber like Wynaut be I thought it was by conduct to be Uber because Garchomp is Uber. Was Gabite exempt? (appears I shouldn't need to ask this as the statistics say he was used but I need clarification).
  6. MetaNite

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    May 4, 2008
    I doubt Gallade is OU. It has paper defense, isn't very fast, Hypnosis was nerfed, Lucario now also have Ice Punch for Gliscor making its movepool not so special.

    Dusknoir isn't outclassed at all, considering its defenses are godly.

    I've actually seen a lot of Dragonite, but I think people are using it more bescause its cooler than Salamance not because it's actually that good. Still works sometimes though.

    EDIT: Shaymin wasn't banned the whole month of December?
  7. TVboyCanti


    Sep 23, 2006
    Wynaut is banned because it has shadow tag, which is a broken ability, not because it evolves into wobbufett. Garchomp was deemed suspect for being overcentralizing, a quality it does not share with gabite or gible.

    NFE of OU pokemon were not considered OU, they were just banned from UU.

    I know its confusing but it won't be once UU is fixed and gabite is no longer banned from UU.


    Apr 26, 2006
    Yeah, the whole issue with NFEs not being counted as individual Pokemon will be resolved any day now. :)

    And the Suspect ladder stats are total lol.
  9. pyrzi


    Sep 20, 2008
    This gen Scizor, Heatran and Salamence are the most popular sweepers.
    And I think it will stay this way.
  10. TVboyCanti


    Sep 23, 2006
    Usage comparison list for November and December, both lists adjusted for species clause(all rotom appliances are one pokemon).

    Green means that pokemons usage rose,
    red means it dropped,
    blue means a pokemon rose 5 spots or more.
    NA means there was no change.
    Actual usage differences are rounded to the nearest 500, or 100 if the change was less than 500.
    Less than 100 is listed as NA, no change.

    I had to adjust this list after I realized that counting rotom as five pokemon created an inaccurate list.

    01 Scizor _________NA, -500
    02 Heatran ________NA, -500
    03 Salamence ______NA, -3,000
    04 Tyranitar _______NA, +2,500
    05 Gyarados _____+2, +5,500
    06 Zapdos ________-1, -5,000
    07 Blissey _________-1, -300
    08 Infernape _____+1, +300
    09 Lucario _________-1, -7,000
    10 Rotom-P ______+1, -5000
    11 Gengar _________-1, -5,000
    12 Metagross ______NA, -6,500
    13 Swampert ______NA, -2,000
    14 Bronzong _______NA, +250
    15 Celebi ________+1, +3,500
    16 Jirachi ________+8, +18,500
    17 Azelf ___________-2, +500
    18 Starmie _________-1, +6,000
    19 Vaporeon ________-2, -1,000
    20 Machamp_______+3, +4,000
    21 Suicune __________NA, +1,000
    22 Kingdra __________NA, +1,500
    23 Gliscor_________ +2, +2,500
    24 Breloom _______+9, +6,000
    25 Togekiss _______+1, NA
    26 Skarmory ________-7, -4,000
    27 Weavile ________+1, +2,000
    28 magnezone _____+8, +3,000
    29 Electivire _______+1, NA
    30 Flygon _________+9, +6,000
    31 Mamoswine _______NA, -1,000
    32 Snorlax __________-5, -2,500
    33 Hippowdon _______NA, -500
    34 Aerodactyl _____+2, +4,000
    35 Heracross ________NA, -500
    36 Forretress _______-7, -5,500
    37 Cresselia ______+4, +1,000
    38 Jolteon ________+5, +3,500
    39 BANNED! _______-22, -19,000
    40 Dusknoir _________NA, NA
    41 Tentacruel_______ -7, -4,000
    42 Rhyperior ________-4, -1,500
    43 Dragonite ________-1, -2,500
    44 Porygonz _________NA, +500
    45 Ninjask ________+1, +500
    46 Empoleon ______+4, +1,500
    47 Dugtrio __________-2, -1,000
    48 Alakazam ________-1, -500
    49 yanmega ______+5, +1,500
    50 donphan _________-2, -1,000

    The top 10 has pretty much stabilized, with Rotom finally bumping out Gengar. Guess bulky is better than fast. Rotom's rise to power is imo directly responsible for Lucarios drop and Infernape' rise. Lucario has to give up priority or coverage against flying to cover rotom, while mixapes overheat does fine.

    Jirachi rises 8 spots to #16 thanks to the popularity of the scarfhax set and brings its counter magnezone with it, who also rose 8 spots to #28. Jirachi had the greatest increase in actual usage, with 18,500 more uses than in November.

    Breloom rises 9 spots to #23, an indirect result of rotoms rise to power, which made stall viable again. Breloom is a great wall breaker and people are remembering that. Its also a great counter to tyranitar, who is number 4.

    Flygon rises 9 spots to #30 as the scarf set is proving to be a great anti-metagame pokemon, taking advantage of the banning of scarfchomp (scarf-flygon is still way more balanced than scarf-chomp).

    Jolteon rises 5 spots, though it's stll 9 places behind its physical equivalant, electivire.

    Skarmory and Forretress both drop 7 spots. I don't know what that means, but it's interesting.
  11. Mario With Lasers

    Mario With Lasers Self-proclaimed DEAD king
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    Nov 15, 2006
    Cool, so the UU test wil start really soon, correct?

    *goes to opening post*
  12. cim

    cim happiness is such hard work
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    Jun 3, 2007
    This is completely untrue, he was erroneously banned and this will be fixed in new uu. Shadow Tag alone is not broken.
  13. Angel Diva

    Angel Diva

    Jun 14, 2007
    Isn't there something wrong here? What happened to the other natures? They don't add up properly.
  14. TVboyCanti


    Sep 23, 2006

    my bad.
  15. SMZ


    May 14, 2007
    I'm not surprised with the leads/usages on the OU ladder. I've seen and used some of the top myself.

    And oh, Empoleon is OU now! awesome!!
  16. august

    august ill take you out though im hardly worth your time
    is a Tutor Alumnusis a Team Rater Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Live Chat Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnuswon the 5th Official Smogon Tournamentis a defending World Cup of Pokemon champion

    Nov 25, 2007
    Modest Heatran Fire Blast- 42.86 - 50.68, 95.6 chance of being 2HKO'd after Stealth Rock and Sandstorm, 41.55 chance of being 2HKO'd after just SR.

    Flash Fire Boosted Fire Blast- 63.95-75.51, 100% chance of being 2HKO'd.

    Those are both on 252/252 +SpDef nature Dusknoir, i wouldnt call that a safe counter.

    Adamant Scizor Swords Dance Night Slash vs max/max Dusknoir- 66.67- 78.91. Not bad here, considering not many Scizor run Night Slash. Dusknoir is a relatively safe Scizor counter, although with LO it OHKOs 92.31% of the time with SR.

    LO DD Mence OHKOs ~70% of the time with SR out, CB Outrage always 2HKOs. Luke does 87.76 minimum with +2 Crunch. Dusknoir also needs Thunderpunch to stop Gyarados running Taunt or Restalk Dragon Dance.

    Besides that, Dusknoir is kinda set up fodder, thats why i dont use it.
  17. Synral


    Oct 12, 2008
    Dusknoir suffers from a lot of the problems Spiritomb does, in that anything with sub hurts it badly. And it's dangerous to allow that many switches for free.
    I'm actually seeing a little less of Scizor lately. I think everyone's kind of centralized their teams in that most have a sufficient Scizor counter. That, and most teams are packing random fire moves to deal with him.
    It's kind of centralizing, but it isn't near as bad as Garchomp was. Scizor is manageable.
  18. X-Act

    X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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    Feb 17, 2006
    They don't.

    | Salamence | Nature | Adamant | 39.6 |
    | Salamence | Nature | Jolly | 10.0 |
    | Salamence | Nature | Other (10) | < 9.7 |

    means that Adamant is in 39.6% of Salamence, Jolly is in 10.0% of Salamence, and the remaining Salamence use one of 10 other natures, each of whose percentages is 9.7% or less.

    Thanks Doug for these stats. :)
  19. DougJustDoug

    DougJustDoug Knows the great enthusiasms
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    Jun 26, 2007
    I edited the OP and added links to all the statistic threads from past months. I'll include links in future statistics threads. This should help for making historical comparisons.
  20. Droideka88


    May 11, 2008
    50? With the merging of BL/UU together UU is now going to have more Pokemon with each pokemon fighting its potential to move up one tier.

    I'd say 60-70 by the most so we can give enough room for a few exceptions.

    Gallade is OU alright. If he didn't gain those platinum move tutor sets, including the elemental punches, something that Gardevoir cries over, then I could've seen usage gone down greatly.
  21. bugmaniacbob

    bugmaniacbob Was fun while it lasted
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    Sep 19, 2008
    Darkrai pips Rayquaza as second-most-used Uber.

    Kyogre and Scizor still reign.

    And Yanmega is still OU.

  22. Peachfuzz


    Aug 27, 2008
    The Suspect Test for Latias started around December 20-21, and that was when Skymin was kicked out. People were still using it quite a bit even after the news got out that it was banned.

    The suspect stats are completely insane. Latias being used nearly twice as much as Scizor was really unexpected. It seems the novelty factor ran out pretty early in the test, and I expected Scizor to stay on top. I expected Gyarados to be higher. The Impish Rest Talk set is rising in usage dramatically, and the offensive set has only a few reliable counters and can set up with ease or scare away a lot of the top ten.

    The FIVE steels in the top ten worries me though. No Bronzong (#16) is interesting, and so is Jirachi and Magnezone in the top ten. Although no one should take these stats seriously at all. Only 10-12 days of suspect ladder and completely off the wall stats should not prompt anyone to scream out the word overcentralization.
  23. SkarmBlissFTW


    Dec 3, 2008
    So like can someone explain to me why Azelf is the number one most used lead? There are so many more better leads. Aerodactyl, Infernape, Jirachi...

    I'm not surprised Skarmory lost a few places though. I mean, with SkyMin gone (though she shall return, she's not a uber imo).

    Also I know I stated that Skarmory is the best Szicor counter is the game, but he's far from that. Superpower does about 70-80 % after just one SD. In return Skarmory will need some EV investment in attack to OHKO back with Brave Bird...
  24. sandman

    sandman Bum bum bum bum
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    May 11, 2007
    Giratina-O is getting more use as he should be.
  25. imperfectluck

    is a Past WCoP Championwon the 4th Official Smogon Tournament

    Mar 18, 2005
    A glimpse at how another side of the world plays.
    Statistics from the most well-known Chinese version of Smogon, and an explanation of the rules they go by that may influence these statistics:

    Swords Dance and Nasty Plot are banned on all Pokemon with 560 or better base stats
    Only one of the following may be in your team: All legends / Dugtrio / Tyranitar / Salamence / Metagross / Hippowdon / Gyarados / Deoxys-E / Garchomp / Armaldo is not allowed with a Sandstream Pokemon
    Curse Snorlax and Curse Hippowdon are banned

    Usage statistics (% chance that a Pokemon is used in a team)
                  Sept   Oct     Nov     Dec
    Tyranitar     22.64% 31.46% 36.25%  37.07%
    Jirachi       11.80% 14.68% 15.39%  23.99%
    Azelf         17.50% 21.56% 22.85%  23.11%
    Machamp       12.70% 14.61% 15.60%  17.55%
    Flygon        4.27%  5.30%  10.02%  12.73%
    Heracross     13.95% 11.61% 11.12%  10.86%
    Jolteon       8.02%  8.64%  8.97%   10.29%
    Empoleon      4.13%  5.41%  6.83%   7.72%
    Dugtrio       9.60%  9.30%  8.29%   7.67%
    Gallade       7.72%  7.12%  6.63%   6.60%
    Porygon2      4.55%  4.99%  5.65%   6.48%
    Umbreon       5.38%  5.59%  6.25%   6.44%
    Ludicolo      3.93%  4.11%  5.15%   5.59%
    Ambipom       4.21%  4.28%  4.84%   5.04%
    Roserade      6.04%  5.72%  5.32%   4.75%
    Weezing       4.84%  3.94%  3.90%   3.56%
    Ugh I can't figure out how to format this, if anyone could give me tips that would be greatly appreciated

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