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Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - December 2009

Discussion in 'Pokémetrics' started by DougJustDoug, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. Deucalion2

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    Could be a sign of centralization. The metagame isn't changing because it can't. I mean, even ordinarily we should see some responsive changes, such as Skarmory numbers falling because Magnezone numbers are rising.
  2. Ken Sical Ifreet

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    ...Hmmm. I wonder.

    Thanks for the Stats!
  3. Quaily

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    Just to look at recent events ou has lost:

    allakazam
    rhyperitor
    cressellia
    porygon-z
    (I cannot spell pokemon names)

    and gained:
    roserade

    So ou is getting smaller.
  4. Madonna

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    The OU game is getting boring...
    At least there are some new things in UU
  5. Crashman

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    Wow, Blaziken in UU took a massive drop from 18th in usage to 31st in a month. That's just shocking, once an excellent wall breaker in the metagame has now been reduced to the position of that other Gallade, how sad.

    Anyway, nice stats, I can't wait to see the tier changes.
  6. BlakBlastoise

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    This is why I don't think the tiers should be adjusted solely on usage. Cresselia is clearly not UU.
    Bug good work Doug getting all that information.
  7. VKCA

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    I think blaziken is going to see a massive rise in usage in jan, what with two ridicoulus powerhouses being moved to bl, and the likelihood of stall increasing from the cress drop.
    Thanks for the stats as usual doug.
  8. Stylish Interval

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    And if it proves to be too defensive or supportive in UU it will be tested and banned and sent to BL or OU. :/

    Also, not cool seeing the OU metagame so..settled. No one trying to come up with crazy new sets or new ways to use Pokemon o: Can't wait for next month, loving the Tyranitar increase, hoping it gets past Rotom-A at least, even though it will still be in the third spot.
  9. lati0s

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    How do you know? people said the same things about dugtrio, rhyperior, and alakazam, and they were proven wrong every time.

    EDIT: 1k posts!!
  10. Ramblin Wreck

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    It does have Baton Pass, though, meaning you can BP out on the Blissey switchin and nail it with a Pursuit from TTar or Scizor or someone.
  11. Megan_Fox

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    Cresselia in uu is going to be insane....GJ Doug
  12. Little Green Yoda

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    Thanks for the stats, DJD. How much more effort would it be to provide stats above a certain rating threshold? Say greater than 1450 or 1500 CRE?

    The increased stagnation/centralization of OU should help too.

    It's been on a steady decline for the past year. Still waiting for people to exploit this trend tbh.
  13. Staraptor Call

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    Ludicolo is coming close to the cutoff for becoming OU. If Manaphy goes down to OU, that will be all it takes to push it over the edge because Manaphy is often used with Rain Dance and almost every Rain team includes a Ludicolo.

    From Suspect:
    The usages of Rain Pokemon in Suspect are very high compared to OU. This Rain-filled metagame could be the future in the likely event of Manaphy getting moved down.
  14. MetaGross66

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    The usage of LS and Reflect on Azelf made a huge jump beating Fire blast now. :)

    Oh, and Cress in UU is just absurd, IMO. Look at its gargantuan stats. It'll be walling much of UU (ecpet maybe subCMkou, but CMCress beats that...)
  15. Taylor

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    appreciate the great effort doug!

    I discovered that Azelf, as a lead, can be played around to your great advantage with say, a lead which invites the opponent to use Taunt, as you switch in CSTyranitar. Let's face it, ScarfTar and Skarm go hand-in-hand with the current semi/quick-stall motion in full throttle. And yet, Metagross (the best lead, in my opinion) is a fair distance behind Azelf.
  16. iShedinja

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    Porygon-Z UU is pretty much chaos, this'll be SO MUCH FUN ;D
  17. Thund91

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    Glad to see Milotic is back in the top 5. It's probably the most effective wall the tier has to offer, it checks so much things.

    Why is Mesprit falling? So much better then Uxie if you ask me. Stop using it for bulky purposes!!!! Seriously CB and SubCM are soooo much better.
  18. Ramblin Wreck

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    Now THAT is the attitude to have. No whining and bitching about how "broken" it is, just anticipating the new strategies and metagame!
  19. Black Sludge

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    Mesprit actually gained 0.11% and 19 positions since November. And yes, it's a greatly underrated Pokemon especially considering Porygon2 gets so much attention. Most Ground-types can't do squat to it, it can threaten the otherwise annoying Machamp and Breloom, and it can send Gyarados and with the right EV spread DDMence into oblivion.
  20. BlakBlastoise

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    because I used to play back in D/P when Cresselia was a fucking force to be reckoned with even in OU. Those others you mentioned never were too good. Alakazam and rhyperior may seem powerful, but alakazam is frail as fuck, and rhyperior is too slow. Rock polish helps it's speed but even with increased speed it's not very hard to handle. Cresselia on the other hand, used to be very very good before Scizor. CM versions were probably the deadliest to teams but the standard wall ones were also hard to deal with. It has moonlight, which in OU is not much of a recoery move since the sand makes it gain less HP, but in UU people will be forced to use snover or hipopotas to limit it's recovery.


    And other people seem to think the same as I, so it's not as crazy as you might think.
  21. Ramblin Wreck

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    Yeah, the anti-sweeper set can check three huge threats on its own. Mespirit is HIGHLY underappreciated.
  22. Xia

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    UU has been shaken up a bit, but I realy don't see how well Cresselia and Posrygon-Z will fit into the metagame; priorty will most likely take down P-Z and Cresselia's bulk makes her a very strage addition to the UU metagame.
  23. Ramblin Wreck

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    I saw some people earlier saying that the removal of Gallade makes stall more viable; maybe we'll see a rise in stall teams with Cresselia as a tank.
  24. Thund91

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    @RR and Black Sludge

    I was talking about Mesprit in UU not OU. :P
    The Anti-Sweeper set is kinda useless there lol.
  25. Smurf.

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    My thoughts exactly. It seems contradictory to have all this suspect testing and not even debate whether PZ and Cress are UU or not and the impact they may potentially have. It certainly looks like we will never have a balanced UU metagame at this rate.

    Instead, potential drops from OU should be discussed and specifically chosen to balance suspects before putting half the decent UU pokes into BL, where they are effectively useless.

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