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Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: December 2015 (Read the OP)

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Dec 4, 2015.

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  1. r3df0x123

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    I doubt that Zam Base will drop though. Magic Guard+LO or Sash is still highly attractive for teams in need of a Psychic type special attacker.
    Can someone explain why Zam became OU in the first place?
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    You answered your own question there.
  3. Aberforth

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    Because it got more than 3.4% usage.
  4. r3df0x123

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    I mean in terms of specific metagame changes that would compel users to use the LO or Sash sets. (and not 3.4% usage)
  5. Mar1onette

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    Zam became ou because it's mega is great in OU and got a lot of usage because of it, putting it in OU. It didn't drop like char and gradevoir did because it's base form had to much usage to be quick dropped to UU.
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    I just want Jirachi and Raikou back in UU.
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  7. Nightingales

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    Let's keep Jirachi OU.

    Nobody likes Paraflinch.
  8. r3df0x123

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    Jirachi is too good to drop. I mean, Paraflinch, Stealth Rocks, U-Turn, Healing Wish, and the banning of Aegislash make it great for a considerable amount of team archetypes.
    As for Raikou...I guess its a good CM user or a substitute for Mega Man.
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  9. Martin

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    I just wanna see Trev in PU so I can finally be smug that people have finally realised that its just a worse Gourgeist.

    Also obligatory "ambi/milo/vapor/cinc/typh/sylve/conk need to stop being used" post
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  10. r3df0x123

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    Trev is RU right now correct?
    But is it really a worse Gourgeist?
    If so, which form?
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    People forgot how good it was in early XY because of New Toy Syndrome, but at one point (I want to say sometime after either Aegislash's ban or Greninja's ban) they were like "Oh wait this thing's actually pretty dope, why'd we stop using it?"
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  12. Froggyboy

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    Nah, Gourgeist and Trevenant serve two different roles. Gourgeist is more keen on walling and shit, while Trev is more of a wallbreaker with CB(people seriously forget it has 110 attack and a 120 BP move.).
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    Why would i use it over torterra tho...
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    Natural cure means that it isn't as weak to status, and the ghost typing gives it cool switch-in opportunities against normals and fighting types.
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  15. r3df0x123

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    This may be the wrong place, but would it be a good idea to make Megas like Chomp and Latios tierless instead of in the same tier as their base forms?
    On the topic of Trevenant, it just looks too frail to be used over Torterra, especially because it lacks set up. WoW remedies this somewhat, but if im not mistaken Ghost STAB<Ground STAB.
    Right now, I think Alakazam is OU's only All-Out Psychic Attacker.
    Lati@s is more of a dragon than a psychic type TBH.
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    What would that change?
  17. Nightingales

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    Probably letting us in the lower tiers use them.

    However, I imagine they would probably be BL quite quickly.
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    You can't use Mega Garchomp and Mega Latios without using Garchomp and Latios which would go against the tier system. The Mega's usage doesn't matter if the base form has enough usage to be in their respective tier.
  19. Nightingales

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    That was in response to the post above mine, which I was on mobile and too lazy to quote it.
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  20. Aubisio

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    When exactly will the new tier shift happen?
  21. Swagodile

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    The stats usually take a day or two.
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  22. Nightingales

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    /patiently whistles

    Wonder how long the MGyara ban will take.
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    I would think as long as the Mega Pinsir ban, which took roughly 2-3 days. Or maybe its balanced who knows.
  24. Nightingales

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    Pinsir lasted maybe 16 hours, I thought.
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    Pinsir lasted two seconds
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