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Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: February 2015 (See Post 222 for April Quick Rises/Drops)

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Feb 2, 2015.

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  1. Kyuzeth

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    The usage stats determining tier shifts are the 1760 ones (and the 1695 in OU), right? I may be mistaken, but I once read the decision was made to use those stats some time ago. It's just to prevent confusion and spark some interesting discussion that I'm asking.
  2. Martin

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    Remember though: until recently, Milotic was D-rank, so really it is a shock that it hasn't dropped again yet.
  3. Firebird101

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    lol tell that to Scrafty and Trevenant. And lets not even begin with RU xD

    Darvin summed it up quite nicely why some mons are slow at dropping to another tier even if they perform poorly there.

  4. Da Pizza Man

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    You do know that UU actually has more of these types of crapmons than RU right? (RU only has 2, arguably 3, while UU has 3, arguably 4)
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  5. Firebird101

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    I was more comparing the performance of the RU mons to the UU mons. Say whatever you want about Milotic being horribly outclassed, it still isn't as badly outclassed as Hitmonchan.
  6. Antar

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    1630 for most tiers, 1695 for OU and Doubles
  7. vanderlylic

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    A lot of people post predictions stating "Pokemon X will probably drop" or "Pokemon Y should rise this month". With two months worth of usage data, couldn't you determine what usage threshold each pokemon in their respectively tiers would need to either stay in that tier or drop (likewise rising into other tiers)?
  8. Da Pizza Man

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    Yes but we are to lazy to do the math
  9. Kyuzeth

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    Alright, thank you very much for confirming!
  10. vanderlylic

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    I wonder if there would be a way to measure this level of inertia in a given tier using the stats from each month? The number of drops and rising between each tier would be a crude way, but possibly something that percentage-change for the usage of each mon in a given tier month-to-month, and averaging this change across all mons in the tier, would give a better picture.
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    Antar Does this also apply to OU?
    If yes, you have to wait another 3 months for Mandibuzz UU
  12. Antar

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    SketchUp, this applies to all usage-based tiers.
  13. Stratos

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    dont even start this dick measuring contest unless youre prepared for me to win
  14. Da Pizza Man

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    Is this supposed to be funny?
  15. Snobalt

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    Negative. Here's some of what he was referring to.
    | 33 | Greninja | 5.05364% | 25589 | 7.573% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 40 | Meowstic | 4.28091% | 14805 | 4.382% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 44 | Dusclops | 3.83287% | 6893 | 2.040% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 45 | Blaziken | 3.75511% | 12399 | 3.670% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 47 | Serperior | 3.74044% | 16918 | 5.007% | 0 | 0.000% |
  16. LeoLancaster

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    To be fair, Blaziken is tier 2 in the dubs vr (think B rank), so while not the most deserving Pokemon it's not out of place being above the cutoff.
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  17. Stratos

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    not at all.
    3 atks Blaziken actually isn't bad (although i'm sure they're all using fucking Swords Dance), and Greninja has a niche on hail (although im sure theyre all using fucking Mat Block).

    You also missed some more such as
    | 4 | Sylveon | 17.89561% | 34649 | 10.255% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 15 | Garchomp | 8.99316% | 32727 | 9.686% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 21 | Conkeldurr | 7.61365% | 18309 | 5.419% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 26 | Whimsicott | 6.42597% | 19540 | 5.783% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 48 | Klefki | 3.72612% | 15307 | 4.530% | 0 | 0.000% |

    and the crown jewel of all that is shit-fuckingly horrid:

    | 29 | Dragonite | 6.00901% | 22565 | 6.678% | 0 | 0.000% |

    Why in hell is this Pokemon seeing any usage in Doubles at all, let alone sitting in the top fucking thirty?! This is a poor fucking excuse for a dragon type and a Pokemon, yet it's used more than Latios and Hydreigon and Kyurem-Fucking-Black. As opposed to the other Pokemon i listed, which have their role on certain teams and are just massively overused, i cannot think of a single team in the history of generation six doubles over used which is made better by the addition of this ugly yellow sack of shit. And remember, UU/RU run on 1630 stats but Doubles is 1695 stats—one and a half standard deviations above average. One and a half standard deviations above average is only the top ~8%! The fact that this Pokemon is not only OU but solidly OU even with such heavy weighting makes me feel like I've failed as a tier leader.
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    but seriously though, doubles ladder usage stats are the reason the ladder gets literally no respect in the doubles community. Great way to learn doubles mechanics & the basics but other than that you're gonna have to get involved in the tournament scene if you want to get anywhere
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    | 34 | Klefki | 4.53025% | 15307 | 4.530% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 3 | Sylveon | 10.25470% | 34649 | 10.255% | 0 | 0.000% |
    | 28 | Arcanine | 5.29945% | 17906 | 5.299% | 0 | 0.000% |

    smh
    am I missing something about sylveon
    like
    it's good and it has the ability to break a lot of the metagame but 3rd place???
  20. Froggyboy

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    probably talking about the doubles ou stats
  21. Elise

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    yeah sorry it was Doubles OU stats
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    Lol blame dragonite usage on Makolicious, he uses it on almost all of his teams haha
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  23. Martin

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    Why are people using that shit...

    Also, while greninja has a niche on hail, it is still awful on any other team

    smh people need to stop using this...

    Sylveon is one of the most defining forces in the VGC'15 metagame, which is probably part of what has influenced its insane usage in SmogDubs.

    Also yeah. People need to stop using Chomper when fucking ladorus-t exists!!!

    | 26 | Whimsicott | 6.42597% | 19540 | 5.783% | 0 | 0.000% |

    TerraCott anyone? Srs tho this thing isn't very good don't use it as much as you do.
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    TerraCott is one of those gimmicks that can actually work, partially because you don't have to run a shitty set on Terrakion and let it function if you can't pull of the gimmick (there's even a Smog article somewhere about "good" gimmicks that mentions it). It doesn't deserve that much usage, but its not worthless like Dragonite.
  25. Martin

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    IK it isn't. It was just sopposed to be a little bit of humour before the main purpose of the post (i.e. to state that Whimsicott itself isn't that good). I remember that article well: it had ScarfZor/Champ under bad gimmicks and (if I remember correctly) Whitney's Miltank under ugly gimmicks.
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