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Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Sep 2, 2014.
In fairness RU hoarded pretty well everything last gen. 60+ tier lists 4ever
huh. rain could be viable in nu now with ludicolo+kabutops. there are lots of rain setters so this should be interesting.
Seriously what the hell is RU's problem? No other tier has so much trouble shedding shitmons like Hitmonchan from their ranks. What is it about RU that makes it have so much trouble with this? I'm legitimately curious
RU was never good at shedding its bad mons from its tier list, the RU ladder has always been absolutely terrible and uses mons that shouldn't be RU. This was the case even in BW RU when terrible mons like Dusknoir, Sandslash, and Electivire were RU (and they were really horrible), while good mons like Alomomola, Golurk, Roselia, and Scolipede were down in NU, among many other good mons that deserved RU. BW RU also has a long history of poor usage stats that were never an accurate representation of the metagame (Claydol was even #1 in usage when it was RU last gen lol). Apparently RU's poor ladder problems continued into XY RU, that is why we still have really bad mons in RU like Ambipom, Claydol, and Hitmonchan. Incidentally, this is like BW UU all over again, only without Dusclops.
Oh and welcome back to OU Magnezone.
And no surprise, when looking back on the June Stats, Ambipom was #1 on 1000 stats.
Also, will Wobbuffet with Stag be allowed in RU/NU when Koko retests Shadow Tag?
Ambipom is one of those mons that looks good on paper, but is mediocre in practice. It is at least viable, but there are better things.
To answer the Wobbuffet question, I would guess probably not, as the testing will be designed with UU in mind. I'd probably ask koko to be sure, though.
I felt that most of these OU changes were obvious, and fell because of the baton pass nerf. I was pretty suprised to see Kabutops drop, but then again it is only really good with rain support. The use of omastar in RMT's kinda paved it's way up to RU and I kinda find it funny that the 2 fossils switched. I have a lot to say about UU but I don't want to type it all so I'll just say two words to sum it up- "more annoyances." And the rest of the mons were kinda self explainitory imo. If you guys want to see a more in depth disscusion about these changes please check out this video of mine and have a wonderful day.
iirc there was a question about this in the NU SQSA, and it said no
RU isn't the only tier with this problem. UU managed to hold on to Dusclops for the entirety of BW, and it wasn't until partway into XY before OU finally let go of Donphan (and we had to adjust the stats we use for tiering just for that to happen, lol).
NU just got a whole lot better with the departure of Spiritomb and the gaining of another spinner in the form of Kabutops :]
I wish I could use Mawile in NU though. Everybody and their momma knows that's where it's ending up anyway lol
We can cry about no Savior dog in RU or no Shitmonchan in NU, but the change starts with us
I have a question: are all tiers using the 1650+ usage stats as a basis for tiering or is that just OU? If so, then how is garbage like Hitmonchan, Claydol and Dusclops still not NU?
Also, looks like Mawile is going to be tumbling down the ladder. Seriously, if this thing ends up where it was the past few gens, it's going to be one of the longest falls of any generation. Then again, the new fairy typing + Intimidate might be enough to warrant usage.
And it's not really a good idea to raise the cutoff higher for the lower tiers--the only reason we get away with it for OU is that OU has such a crazy high number of battles.
Also, I'm going to go ahead and update that quoted text, since a lot of it was just copy/pasted from June's thread and is since out of date.
Ah, sorry about that. I just skimmed through the OP and didn't notice that line. Thanks for the info, though.
Has that change been implemented for lower tier tiering?
There's a post Antar quoted a couple of posts up where it explains how each tier's stats are adjusted for the purposes of tiering. To answer your question, there has been a similar change implemented for lower tier tiering, but it isn't quite the same as that implemented for OU (i.e. the baseline for weighing usage stats is higher for OU than for lower tiers).
Gothitelle's rise to OU gave me the idea to start testing it out as both a revenge killer and Stallbreaker.
And oh my god, this thing is underrated. I hope its rise inspires people to try it out.
Antar, gorebyss is legal on the PU ladder although it got 4% usage. Just pointing out the mistake bc im getting yelled at for it on twitter lol
Peef Rimgar : https://github.com/Zarel/Pokemon-Showdown/commit/da47f1a92ded131f57da791e7fa5e5509ab48536
Totion to change the name of the thread from
Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: September 2014
Smogon (Usage-) Based Tier Update: September 2014
Because lets be serious here people, tier shifts are pretty damn awesome
Wow, poor pokemon who went from OU to UU. At least it's better than pokes that went straight down to NU.
togekiss: OU to UU
RIP UU in pieces, Air Spam coming right through. I expect a quick ban on this. It can hax the shit out of everything that does not outspeed it and yeah, it might be quickbanned/suspect tested real quick.
quagsire: OU to UU
It's one of Darbanditan's counters and hence why is going to enjoy its time in UU.
kabutops: RU to NU
it's stronk, quick, and 1337! It can be really great on NU HO teams. It's high attack and speed can allow it to shut down many Pokemon with its decent movepool. I do not expect this to get banned as it is not 'breaking' the meta
Fuck UU, EggPlane, Fairy Princess, Dogfgt and Mermaid just fell. Then again, I say Shaymin and Crobat usage rising :)
P.S. EggPlane Parahax is shit, I scream quickban. Smeargle and Stall (Blissfgt) are gonna be stronger w/o Hera.
Jirachi is allowed in UU, right? If the ultimate hax mon isn't banned, why would the hax bird be banned for hax?
Cuz Eggplane has a godly typing in UU?
LOLing at Toge getting banned from a tier where Rotom-Heat, Mega-Aerodactyl, Crobat, Blissey, Mega-Ampharos(watch out for Dazzling Gleam), Raikou and other stuff like Rhyperior and Diancie, not to mention faster scarfers are around every corner.