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CAP 1 Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Poll 7, part 3

Discussion in 'CAP Process Archive' started by Cooper, Dec 31, 2007.

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What will be the art design of our new pokemon?

Poll closed Jan 2, 2008.
  1. CyzirVisheen

    134 vote(s)
    56.8%
  2. just some chick

    102 vote(s)
    43.2%
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  1. Deck Knight

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    Technically Scizor was the first, but it evolves from Scyther.

    Nintendo learnsets are based around the principle that you'll be using the pokemon in the game, so it makes no sense to have say Lv 20 Ice Beam, even on ice types. Usually there's a progression upward in move power over time, and support options vary heaviliy from pokemon to pokemon. Bulbasaur doesn't get Sleep Powder until its 30's, whereas Bellsprout, Oddish, and Butterfree learn it in the teens.
  2. Yoko Rains

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    coughcoughmegacoughcoughhorncough
  3. Cooper

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    This is good for a start. But I was referring to more powerful moves. We don't want this new pokemon to be overpowered, so the vote would be for things like Earthquake, Close Combat, moves that make sense but would make an incredibly broken moveset.
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    lol, the scores are 96 to 69...
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    Lol we need Megahorn on it! It looks so Megahorn compatible!
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    Well yeah. I think we compile a list:

    For Example:

    Blizzard
    Ice Beam
    Close Combat
    Megahorn
    (Every TM except the weather ones and others that make no sense)

    And then maybe vote on the ones to get rid of. Or we decide which moves would be broken together and pair them up like so:

    Blizzard:Earthquake
    Earthquake:Close Combat
    Megahorn:Crunch

    Not that those exact pairs would be broken, they are just examples. What I am trying to say is, we should find make the perfect movepool, and them eliminate enough so that it is no longer a pokemon you want on every single team no matter what.



    On the side, I think it deserves Agility and Swords Dance, and maybe even Nasty Plot.
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    IMO, if this were a contest for Gamefreak's new Pokemon designer, just some chick would win. It's simple, easy on the eyes, and has just the right touch of both "ice" and "bug" without totally overdoing it.

    CyzirVisheen's entry, while it does look "cool" so-to-speak, does not have much of the characteristics that separate Pokemon from every other anime monster in the universe and is rather unnatural. As someone had mentioned earlier, it does look like something you would find in such an anime/manga as Dragon Ball Z.
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    Voted for Cyzir again.
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    Kinda offtopic but

    Movelist:
    1: Leech life
    1: Leer
    6: Ice Shard
    10: Focus Energy
    15: Knock Off
    21: Bite
    28: Recover
    36: X-Scissor
    45: Close Combat
    55: Lock On
    66: Zap Cannon
    78: Sheer Cold

    Egg group:
    Bug/Ground

    Egg moves:
    - Toxic Spikes (Forretress)
    - Counter (Heracross)
    - Rapid Spin (Forretress)
    - Bug Buzz (Butterfree/Yanmega)
    - Spikes (Forretress)
    - Baton Pass (Ninjask/Beedrill/Volbeat/Eevee)
    - Reversal (Heracross)
    - Pursuit (Tauros/Yanmega)
    - Thunderpunch (Ampharos)
    - Wing Attack (Scyther)
    - Selfdestruct (Forretress)
    - Ice Punch (umm Weavile? Zangoose?)

    TMs/HMs
    TM01: Focus Punch
    TM03: Water Pulse
    TM06: Toxic
    TM07: Hail
    TM09: Bullet Seed
    TM10: Hidden Power
    TM12: Taunt
    TM13: Ice Beam
    TM14: Blizzard
    TM15: Hyper Beam
    TM16: Light Screen
    TM17: Protect
    TM18: Rain Dance
    TM19: Giga Drain
    TM20: Safeguard
    TM21: Frustration
    TM24: Thunderbolt
    TM25: Thunder
    TM27: Return
    TM28: Dig
    TM29: Psychic
    TM30: Shadow Ball
    TM31: Brick Break
    TM32: Double Team
    TM33: Reflect
    TM34: Shock Wave
    TM36: Sludge Bomb
    TM39: Rock Tomb
    TM40: Aerial Ace
    TM41: Torment
    TM42: Facade
    TM43: Secret Power
    TM44: Attract
    TM45: Rest
    TM46: Thief
    TM47: Steel Wing
    TM49: Snatch
    TM51: Roost
    TM52: Focus Blast
    TM53: Energy Ball
    TM54: False Swipe
    TM56: Fling
    TM57: Charge Beam
    TM58: Endure
    TM60: Drain Punch
    TM62: Silver Wind
    TM63: Embargo
    TM65: Shadow Claw
    TM66: Payback
    TM68: Giga Impact
    TM70: Flash
    TM72: Avalanche
    TM73: Thunder Wave
    TM75: Swords Dance
    TM76: Stealth Rock
    TM78: Captivate
    TM79: Dark Pulse
    TM80: Rock Slide
    TM81: X-Scissor
    TM82: Sleep Talk
    TM83: Natural Gift
    TM84: Poison Jab
    TM87: Swagger
    TM89: U-Turn
    TM90: Substitute
    TM91: Flash Cannon
    HM01: Cut
    HM04: Strength
    HM05: Defog
    HM06: Rock Smash
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    Thank god for jibby's awesomeness. That looks perfect, but why learn ice beam at 78? Around 40 is ice beam and 78 blizzard or sheer cold. Why zap cannon too? And how can he use close combat? Bullet seed seems out of place since he's bug/ice. Rapid spin?
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    Jibaku, you're forgetting Megahorn! T_T

    EDIT: Also, consider giving it a way to get Ice Punch.
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    Well Darkrai learns Dark Pulse at level 93, but i could always change that to Sheer Cold. Zap Cannon...because its arms look like cannons. Plus Forry learns it for some reason. CC is for moveset's sake lol. Octillery gets Bullet Seed, and so does Mantine. This thing seems more fit to use it than both of them. And Rapid Spin...look at its butt. It looks like a freaking' top!

    Sheen's pic doesn't seem to have horns lol
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    Says something in the art thread about Cyzir's bug shooting ice and making gauntlets, too. So I guess it could use the ice to clobber Pokes around (if that makes sense) for Close Combat
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    Ok then, I point to my old ones for explanation. Zap cannon seems out of place, still but whatever.

    Andren: I never saw it so I wouldn't know.
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    Just saying for future reference. I'll try and find the pic.

    EDIT: It's in my avatar. It grows spikes, so it can puncture stuff, but they can also be shot out.
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    Yoko rains if you give it megahorn it will just be a better heracross, in a way.

    From the looks of jibby's post; he implies that he can do many jobs: physical sweeping, special sweeping, mix sweeping, baton passing swords dance, spinning and spiking, and endurevesal for hail teams.

    Andren: But the new one doesn't seem to look like the old one x_x
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    Alright, maybe not Megahorn, but why not Ice Punch? Kinda of weird to get Thunderpunch but no Ice. Just an idea.
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    Why would this get Self-Destruct, Zap Cannon, Recover, Thunderbolt/Thunder, Charge Beam, Thunder Wave, Toxic Spikes, Rapid Spin, Baton Pass, and Close Combat again?

    I'm not for nerfing the movepool entirely, but be serious. Why bother making this if we're just going to throw on the most broken type coverages, utility, and power moves available?

    Why shouldn't we just say "make Deoxys-FR" OU. Because that's about what we'd be doing.

    Revised:

    Movelist:
    1: Leech life
    1: Leer
    6: Ice Shard
    10: Focus Energy
    15: Knock Off
    21: Bite
    28: Icy Wind
    36: X-Scissor
    45: Night Slash
    55: Bug Buzz
    66: Ice Punch
    78: Sheer Cold

    Egg group:
    Bug/Ground

    Egg moves:
    - Counter (Heracross/Pinsir)
    - Spikes (Forretress)
    - Reversal (Heracross/Pinsir)
    - Pursuit (Tauros/Yanmega)
    - Thunderpunch (Ampharos)
    - Wing Attack (Scyther)
    - Superpower (Pinsir)

    TMs/HMs
    TM03: Water Pulse
    TM06: Toxic
    TM07: Hail
    TM10: Hidden Power
    TM12: Taunt
    TM13: Ice Beam
    TM14: Blizzard
    TM15: Hyper Beam
    TM16: Light Screen
    TM17: Protect
    TM18: Rain Dance
    TM19: Giga Drain
    TM21: Frustration
    TM27: Return
    TM28: Dig
    TM31: Brick Break
    TM32: Double Team
    TM33: Reflect
    TM34: Shock Wave
    TM39: Rock Tomb
    TM40: Aerial Ace
    TM41: Torment
    TM42: Facade
    TM43: Secret Power
    TM44: Attract
    TM45: Rest
    TM46: Thief
    TM47: Steel Wing
    TM51: Roost
    TM52: Focus Blast
    TM54: False Swipe
    TM56: Fling
    TM58: Endure
    TM60: Drain Punch
    TM62: Silver Wind
    TM63: Embargo
    TM65: Shadow Claw
    TM66: Payback
    TM68: Giga Impact
    TM70: Flash
    TM72: Avalanche
    TM75: Swords Dance
    TM78: Captivate
    TM80: Rock Slide
    TM81: X-Scissor
    TM82: Sleep Talk
    TM83: Natural Gift
    TM84: Poison Jab
    TM87: Swagger
    TM89: U-Turn
    TM90: Substitute
    TM91: Flash Cannon
    HM01: Cut
    HM04: Strength
    HM05: Defog
    HM06: Rock Smash
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    But I doubt it'll be a good SD Passer because of how fragile it is, and that goes to spinning and spiking too.

    I think this new pokemon (whatever it's called) needs more Flying attacks. It has wings!

    And agreed with Deck Knight. There are some incredibly random moves.
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    What are the base stats on this thing exactly?
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    Selfdestruct for lols. It loads up Energy in its hands and then blows up out of miscontrol. Recover makes it the only bug type that gets it I think, TBolt/Thunder for the same reason Magmortar gets it, Baton Pass can always be removed. It has Spikes all over its body so I guess Spikes/TS is reasonable. Hera/Pinsir have smaller arms and they get CC, but CC can be removed if it seems too powerful. I mean, Gengar's movepool is obscene-there's nothing that counters it, and the fact that Gengar has 3 immunities and not getting hit by Spikes/TS

    It kinda seems broken at this point, but with the SR weakness, and future countering creations, it won't seem as broken later on
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    Actually, Cyzir's does have a horn. If you look you can see it coming out of the forehead.
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    But instead of recover they should bring in a new ice type healing move, like blizzard heal or some shit like that. Regice and him would get it, it makes more sense than recover. And regice would be a great special wall again. To think in sinnoh with the blizzard conditions and everything they ended up hurting ice types instead of helping them. They need hesal next gen, same with fire types.
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    Megahorn would make it a bit too broken IMO, just stick it with x-scizor.
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    I agree sunday. It would just make it an icy hera clone.
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