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Snorlax (QC 0/3)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Princess Bubblegum, Jul 20, 2012.

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  1. Princess Bubblegum

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    I feel choice band is the only good set, if you think specially defensive or curse are good at all, I will need to use them since I have no experience with them.

    [Overview]
    • The once mighty king of older generations has fallen but is still useful
    • Special bulk and thick fat and high attack still allow it to be a powerful special tank
    • Can take on many special threats in the metagame and trap them like tyranitar, making it a boon to non-sand teams
    • Lack of resistances and recovery hurts
    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Pursuit
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Fire Punch / Wild Charge (maybe Crunch)
    item: Choice Band
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Functions similarly to Tyranitar on sun or weatherless teams being able to trap and kill Latios, Latias, Gengar, Starmie, and Reuniclus
    • It can also counter Heatran and Volcarona, and check nearly every special attacker
    • Choice Band adds a needed attack boost to grantee many KOs and successfully trap things
    • return is a needed stab
    • Pursuit is a must to trap and kill stuff
    • Wild Charge is for Gengar and Jellicent
    • The last slot takes down steels and rocks
    • Earthquake for Tyranitar, and Heatran, and Terrakion
    • Fire punch can be useful on sun teams, and gets a neat chance at a 2HKO on Skarm, it also defends off against Ferrothorn, and Forretress
    [Additional Comments]
    • EVs focused on attack first to hit stuff, then special defense to take special hits much better
    • The special bulk gained from focusing in special defense is needed, for example with this spread Snorlax avoids a 2HKO from specs-Latios Drago Meteor
    • Body slam > Return for paralysis chance, but the loss in power is rarely worth it
    • Crunch to outright kill Gengar
    • Superpower, self destruct, and double edge (gotta test em all)
    • Snorlax doesn't appreciate passive damage from opposing weathers, so rain or sun support is useful
    • Sweepers that like the pokemon snorlax can trap out of the way love snorlax, for example venusaur likes Latios, and Latias out of the way
    • Defensive teams also like starmie and gengar trapped and killed to prevent spin blocking and spinning
    • Snorlax can't take boosted water hits, and it dreadfully weak against fighting types, so Celebi and Amoonguss make excellent partners
    • rapid spin support is useful to help it stick around longer
    • Wish support is cool, but the only wisher that doesn't compete with the same role is Vaporeon
    • snorlax appreciates rocks up to get many KOs and make some passive damage by forcing out pokemon, rocks also helps to kill of Volc which could otherwise fish for burns
    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Body Slam / Double Edge
    move 2: Fire Punch
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Pursuit
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    [Additional Comments]

    • Return
    • Crunch
    • Chople Berry and Expert Belt

    [SET]
    name: Curse
    move 1: Curse
    move 2: Return / Body Slam
    move 3: Earthquake / Fire Punch
    move 4: Rest / Selfdestruct
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Careful
    evs: 188 HP / 104 Def / 216 SpD (idk about this)

    [SET COMMENTS]

    [Additional Comments]

    • Evs prevent 3HKO from specs Jolteon (why I am unsure about the legitimacy of the spread in the current meta)
    • Crunch
    • Double edge
    • Pursuit support
    • Cleric support

    [Other Options]

    • Retaliate can get up to a scary 140 base attack after an ally dies, but snorlax lacks the speed to use it
    • Rock slide garantees a 1HKO on Volcarona, but it already 2HKOs it and everything else
    • fire blast
    • rest talk with body slam / whirlwind / rest / sleep talk is neat to phase, but the special attacks are to strong and the lack of good recovery hurts
    • Snorlax has belly drum, but there are to many strong attackers in the meta and rest is to unreliable for it to be used
    • Immunity can be useful vs toxic spikes teams and avoid poison from toxic, but toxic spikes are uncommon and the resistance gained from thick fat is to good to pass up
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Without fire punch, Skarm, Ferrothorn, Forretress say hi
    • Easily crippled with burn or poison
    • Heatran, Tyranitar, and Terrakion without earthquake
    • Gliscor, with Intimidate Gyarados, and Hippowdon are solid counters
    • Jellicent can come in and cripple with wisp
    • Once locked into a move many things can come in, almost any fighting type can revenge
  2. metsrule158

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    Mention in checks and counters that toxic can cripple snorlax, as it has no means of recovery whatsoever.
  3. Colonel M

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    Definitely mention that Stealth Rock is necessary to OHKO Volcarona, as the bulky set can take a Choice Band Return and, thus, force Snorlax to gamble on burn chances. To show:

    63.9% - 75.5% - before burn
    31.8% - 38% - after burn

    Which means Volcarona can Roost off the Return a couple of times and Quiver Dance if Snorlax is burnt. Granted, you likely have checks that can outspeed it and KO it after a Quiver Dance, but the damage output from Return after a burn is kind of scary. You just have to be faster than Tornadus-T, which leaves a handful of Scarfers and... Jolteon... and Weavile I guess.

    I think pairing it with Rain and Vaporeon is probably your best bet. You can gain Wish passing if warranted, or even have Vaporeon carry Heal Bell to cure burns from Snorlax. I don't see how Jirachi is a terrible partner, though.
  4. Pocket

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    I personally believe that CB set is not Snorlax's best set in OU. Snorlax has a massive movepool, and being choice-locked hinders its versatility. Some sort of tankish non-choiced set should work, whether it be an all-out attacker with Self-Destruct or 3 atk + Counter / Whirlwind / Curse / Block / Refresh / Yawn, etc. I'd like you to test a non-choiced version of Snorlax.

    Leftovers is a good option for any non-choiced lax, but Chople Berry does sound good for tanking fighting moves with ease. It can probably even run 3 atk + Chesto Rest to replenish its health. Its movepool has great coverage enough to make good use of Expert Belt. Pink Bow is good to power its STAB moves, namely Self-D. Going "mixed" with Fire Blast to roast Skarmory is always nice.

    Thanks to Snorlax's colossal HP, it does not mind Double-Edge's recoil (relatively speaking, it's not going to cripple itself like Darmanitan), especially if its holding Leftovers. Body Slam is also a fine STAB alternative to slow down opponent, which helps with Lax's low Speed. Body Slam and Double-Edge are both superior to Return on Lax, imo.

    So yea, play around with non-choiced Lax sets to fully explore its potential in OU. I would chip in whenever I have a chance to test it out.

    P.S.: Concerning the CB set:

    Make Wild Charge the primary 3rd move - as discussed in CB Stoutland's analysis, Wild Charge provides better neutral coverage than Pursuit, and most Ghost-types are hit hard(er) by Wild Charge anyways; Wild Charge OHKOs Gengar after SR damage 62.5% of the time. Hitting Skarmory and bulky Water-types for super-effective damage is a definite plus.

    Superpower > EQ imo, since it hits many more things for neutral / super-effective damage. Hitting Ferrothorn, Blissey, and TTar harder is superior to hitting Jirachi for super-effective damage, imo.

    Also no mention of Self-D on its choiced set? Despite the nerf, a STAB Self-D will hurt!

    Change the EV spread to 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 SpD; this provides very similar special defensiveness while the extra HP will allow it to take physical hits better.
  5. Princess Bubblegum

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    Ok Ill make the changes easily of the first 2 posts.

    @ Pocket

    Ok Im currently testing out a bulk tank set with leftovers, I quickly realized it doesn't play anything like the choice band set, definitely worth its own set. Im also testing out a sleep talk set, its ok but it requires a ton of team support, having a cleric with it is mandatory. I can see its merits though for phasing, but at the end of the battle I am left wondering, "Why I am not using Chansey or Blissey here." Again I need to play test it more. Curse is something I also need to test out. Ill leave all the sets in skeleton form here to see any input.

    To be honest Im not sure about chople and expert belt, I could play with it though. I don't think fire blast is worth it though, if you really insist on 2HKOing skarm, use CB fire punch or fire punch in the sun. Ill add it to OO though.

    Yeah I see the benefits of double edge, with leftovers it is worth the recoil. Although Im unsure about the CB set because it has all the power it needs, and the recoil would still really hurt, I can only think of a few things you could get a KO on, I will test it though for sure.

    Wild charge does seem overall better, I honestly never thought of it. Crunch still has the benefits of outright killing Gengar, not messing around with pain split shenanigans, it also helps on a few other more uncommon ghosts, Sableye for example, so it still stays AC.

    Im really against superpower though as a main option though. Sure its great against everything outside of Jirachi, but generally CB snorlax is solution for CM Jirachi as a glue for teams that use him. I mean unless you have something else for CM Jirachi, I wouldn't suggest it. Fire punch is right next to it because on sun teams, fire punch is stronger and you have ninetails for Jirachi. I could test it, but honestly I don't see it working. Self destruct is interesting, but Im having a hard time seeing where it can be used.

    The spread seems reasonable, about a 1% loss of spD for about 3% gain in defense. :)

    A lot more testing I need to do.
  6. Pocket

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    Yea, RestTalk sucks this gen, so it's gonna get rejected (some QC members already said that).

    The special set itself can be effective; just not rest-talk. Refresh, EQ for Jirachi, Protect, etc may be better.

    I also have some ideas for the non-choiced offensive lax, but need to test them out.
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    I think the EV's for both Choice Band and the Leftovers varients should be 40 HP / 252 Atk / 40 Def / 176 SpD like the old analysis. It survives a Band'd Stone Edge iirc which is still prevalent in the current metagame, and it still isn't 2HKO'd by Latios Draco Meteor, so the minor EV adjustment is worth it imo.
  8. Pocket

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    I like Princess Bri's EV spread better, so let's go with it :)
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    If there is any point in time the Curse set has been viable in 5th gen, it is now (so important I put it in bold). Tornadus-T has surpressed every single Fighting type basically out of OU besides Techniloom and Terrakion. Mienshao, Scrafty, and Virizion have all fallen out of OU and Conkeldurr to an extent. This makes it much easier for Snorlax to actually work and much easier to cover his weaknesses. I believe with one Curse Tornadus-T can not 2HKO with Superpower. He makes an excellent bulky sweeper on balanced teams as well an excellent sponge. In homage to the Skarmory-Tentacruel-Blissey core that often finds itself on stall teams, I have been using a Skarmory-Tentacruel-Snorlax core. Toxic Spikes is quite handy for those pesky Jellicent's and Tyranitars.

    Bar none I think its best partner is defensive Celebi. Snrolax covers those pesky Ice and Fire weaknesses while Celebi defends against Breloom and Terrakion (to an extent). If Snorlax finds himself on Rest but can't wake up in time, just find an oppurtunity to get Celebi in and Heal Bell.

    IMO Earthquake>Fire Punch. Gengar and Steel types are far easier to remove than Tyranitar, which is grossly overused. With the amount of rain running around, Fire Punch will be rather limited. It also compromises Snorlax's ability to check SubCM Jirachi in the rain. Crunch is kinda meh since Jellicent will be using Taunt+Will-o-Wisp to take you down, meaning you can't Crunch on the turn you wake up from Rest (that is the turn where you are impossible to be burned). Speaking of steel types, that another great reason to partner Celebi up with Snorlax since it can mess with Ferrothorn. No Leech Seed recovery+repeated Earthquake means it will be dying a slow and frustrating death.
  10. Pocket

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    Here's a defensive Snorlax set I am testing.

    name: Defensive Phazer
    move 1: Whirlwind
    move 2: Body Slam
    move 3: Refresh
    move 4: Protect / Earthquake / Counter
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Careful
    evs: 208 HP / 164 Def / 136 SpD

    The EVs is up for debate - it's ~67% biased towards special defense. I should probably run some calcs, though.

    log (open)
    UberLax joined.
    Pocket joined.
    Format: OU
    Rated battle
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: OHKO Clause
    Rule: Evasion Clause
    Pocket's team:
    Politoed / Ferrothorn / Tentacruel / Jellicent / Latias / Snorlax
    UberLax's team:
    Politoed / Ferrothorn / Tornadus-Therian / Toxicroak / Blissey / Gliscor
    Battle between UberLax and Pocket started!
    UberLax sent out Toxicroak!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    Turn 1
    Pocket called Ivy back!
    Pocket sent out Echizen (Jellicent)!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 2
    Pocket called Echizen back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Bulk Up!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Attack rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 3
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    But it failed!
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 4
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Bulk Up!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Attack rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 5
    UberLax called Toxicroak back!
    UberLax sent out Blissey!
    Wendy used Calm Mind!
    Wendy's Special Attack rose!
    Wendy's Special Defense rose!
    Turn 6
    Inactive players will forfeit in 150 seconds. (requested by UberLax)
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    The foe's Blissey used Toxic!
    It doesn't affect Ivy...
    Turn 7
    UberLax called Blissey back!
    UberLax sent out Toxicroak!
    Ivy used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 8
    Pocket called Ivy back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Drain Punch!
    It's not very effective... Wendy lost 18% of its health!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 9
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    UberLax called Toxicroak back!
    UberLax sent out Ferrothorn!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Ferrothorn!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 10
    Ivy used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the foe's team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around your team!
    Turn 11
    Pocket called Ivy back!
    Pocket sent out Juvia (Politoed)!
    Pointed stones dug into Juvia!
    Juvia's Drizzle made it rain!
    UberLax called Ferrothorn back!
    UberLax sent out Gliscor!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!
    Juvia restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor's Toxic Orb activated!
    The foe's Gliscor was badly poisoned!
    Turn 12
    UberLax called Gliscor back!
    UberLax sent out Blissey!
    The foe's Blissey is hurt by the spikes!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Blissey!
    Pocket called Juvia back!
    Pocket sent out Sting (Tentacruel)!
    Pointed stones dug into Sting!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 13
    Sting used Rapid Spin!
    The foe's Blissey lost 4% of its health!
    The pointed stones disappeared from around your team!
    The foe's Blissey used Seismic Toss!
    Sting lost 27% of its health!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 14
    Sting used Toxic!
    The foe's Blissey was badly poisoned!
    The foe's Blissey used Wish!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey was hurt by poison!
    Turn 15
    Pocket called Sting back!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    UberLax called Blissey back!
    UberLax sent out Toxicroak!
    The foe's Toxicroak is hurt by the spikes!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Toxicroak!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Blissey's wish came true!
    Turn 16
    Pocket called Ivy back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 17
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Bulk Up!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Attack rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 18
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 19
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    But it failed!
    Wendy used Calm Mind!
    Wendy's Special Attack rose!
    Wendy's Special Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Turn 20
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    It's super effective! Wendy lost 45% of its health!
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 21
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 61% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 22
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    It's super effective! Wendy lost 41% of its health!
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 23
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    But it failed!
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 24
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    But it failed!
    Wendy used Recover!
    Wendy regained health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 25
    UberLax called Toxicroak back!
    UberLax sent out Ferrothorn!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Ferrothorn!
    The foe's Ferrothorn is hurt by the spikes!
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    A critical hit! It's not very effective... The foe's Ferrothorn lost 30% of its health!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 26
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
    It doesn't affect Ivy...
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 27
    Ivy used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the foe's team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of your team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 28
    Ivy used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the foe's team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around your team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 29
    Pocket called Ivy back!
    Pocket sent out Sting (Tentacruel)!
    Pointed stones dug into Sting!
    Sting is hurt by the spikes!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of your team!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 30
    Sting used Rapid Spin!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Ferrothorn lost 1% of its health!
    Sting is hurt by the foe's Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs!
    The spikes disappeared from around your team's feet!
    The pointed stones disappeared from around your team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Power Whip!
    Sting lost 34% of its health!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 31
    Pocket called Sting back!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
    It doesn't affect Ivy...
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 32
    Pocket called Ivy back!
    Pocket sent out Echizen (Jellicent)!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Stealth Rock!
    Pointed stones float in the air around your team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 33
    Echizen used Will-O-Wisp!
    The attack of Echizen missed!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
    Echizen was seeded!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Echizen's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
    Turn 34
    Pocket called Echizen back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    Pointed stones dug into Wendy!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Power Whip!
    It's not very effective... Wendy lost 19% of its health!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 35
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
    Wendy was seeded!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
    Turn 36
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Sting (Tentacruel)!
    Pointed stones dug into Sting!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Spikes!
    Spikes were scattered all around the feet of your team!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 37
    Sting used Rapid Spin!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Ferrothorn lost 1% of its health!
    Sting is hurt by the foe's Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs!
    The spikes disappeared from around your team's feet!
    The pointed stones disappeared from around your team!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Power Whip!
    Sting lost 20% of its health!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 38
    Sting used Scald!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Ferrothorn lost 11% of its health!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Leech Seed!
    Sting was seeded!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Sting's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
    Turn 39
    Pocket called Sting back!
    Pocket sent out Echizen (Jellicent)!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Power Whip!
    It's super effective! Echizen lost 33% of its health!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 40
    Echizen used Will-O-Wisp!
    The foe's Ferrothorn was burned!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Power Whip!
    It's super effective! Echizen lost 31% of its health!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Ferrothorn was hurt by its burn!
    Turn 41
    Echizen used Taunt!
    The foe's Ferrothorn fell for the taunt!
    The foe's Ferrothorn can't use Leech Seed after the taunt!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Ferrothorn was hurt by its burn!
    Turn 42
    Echizen used Recover!
    Echizen regained health!
    The foe's Ferrothorn used Power Whip!
    It's super effective! Echizen lost 30% of its health!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Ferrothorn restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Ferrothorn was hurt by its burn!
    Turn 43
    UberLax called Ferrothorn back!
    UberLax sent out Tornadus-Therian!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Tornadus-Therian!
    Echizen used Recover!
    Echizen regained health!
    Turn 44
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian used Hurricane!
    Echizen lost 60% of its health!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian lost some of its HP!
    Echizen used Scald!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian lost 43% of its health!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 45
    Pocket called Echizen back!
    Pocket sent out Snow (Snorlax)!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian used Hurricane!
    Snow lost 37% of its health!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian lost some of its HP!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 46
    UberLax called Tornadus-Therian back!
    UberLax sent out Gliscor!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!
    Snow used Protect!
    But it failed!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!
    Turn 47
    The foe's Gliscor used Swords Dance!
    The foe's Gliscor's Attack sharply rose!
    Snow used Body Slam!
    The foe's Gliscor lost 20% of its health!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!

    Turn 48
    Pocket called Snow back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    The foe's Gliscor used Swords Dance!
    The foe's Gliscor's Attack sharply rose!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!
    Turn 49
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Gliscor used Ice Fang!
    It's super effective! Wendy lost 43% of its health!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!
    Turn 50
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Juvia (Politoed)!
    The foe's Gliscor used Ice Fang!
    It's not very effective... Juvia lost 14% of its health!
    Juvia restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 51
    UberLax called Gliscor back!
    UberLax sent out Toxicroak!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Toxicroak!
    The foe's Toxicroak is hurt by the spikes!
    Juvia used Ice Beam!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 36% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Juvia restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 52
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    Juvia used Ice Beam!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Juvia restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 53
    The foe's Toxicroak used Drain Punch!
    Juvia lost 24% of its health!
    Juvia had its energy drained!
    Juvia used Ice Beam!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 40% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Juvia restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 54
    Pocket called Juvia back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Drain Punch!
    It's not very effective... Wendy lost 18% of its health!
    Wendy had its energy drained!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 55
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 56
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Bulk Up!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Attack rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 57
    Wendy used Recover!
    Wendy regained health!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 58
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    But it failed!
    Wendy used Calm Mind!
    Wendy's Special Attack rose!
    Wendy's Special Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 59
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Bulk Up!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Attack rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 60
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 71% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak put in a substitute!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 61
    Wendy used Reflect!
    Reflect raised your team's defense!
    The foe's Toxicroak used Bulk Up!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Attack rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Defense rose!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 62
    The foe's Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
    It's super effective! Wendy lost 74% of its health!
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak's substitute faded!
    The foe's Toxicroak's Dry Skin heals it!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Toxicroak restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 63
    Wendy used Dragon Pulse!
    The foe's Toxicroak lost 57% of its health!
    The foe's Toxicroak fainted!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    UberLax: ran out of pp for sucker punch :(
    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by Pocket)
    Pocket: xp
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    UberLax sent out Tornadus-Therian!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Tornadus-Therian!
    Turn 64
    UberLax: this is a good game btw
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Snow (Snorlax)!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian used Hurricane!
    Snow lost 39% of its health!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian lost some of its HP!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 65
    Pocket: thanks
    UberLax called Tornadus-Therian back!
    UberLax sent out Gliscor!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!
    Snow used Protect!
    But it failed!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!
    Your team's reflect wore off!
    Turn 66
    The foe's Gliscor used Earthquake!
    Snow lost 27% of its health!
    Snow used Whirlwind!
    The foe's Politoed is hurt by the spikes!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Politoed!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 67
    Snow used Protect!
    Snow protected itself!
    The foe's Politoed used Scald!
    Snow protected itself!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 68
    The foe's Politoed used Toxic!
    Snow was badly poisoned!
    Snow used Body Slam!
    The foe's Politoed lost 23% of its health!
    The foe's Politoed was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snow was hurt by poison!
    Turn 69
    The foe's Politoed used Protect!
    The foe's Politoed protected itself!
    Snow used Refresh!
    Snow was cured of its poisoning.
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 70
    Snow used Body Slam!
    The foe's Politoed lost 23% of its health!
    The foe's Politoed used Scald!
    Snow lost 19% of its health!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snow restored HP using its Leftovers!

    Turn 71
    Pocket called Snow back!
    Pocket sent out Echizen (Jellicent)!
    The foe's Politoed used Perish Song!
    All Pokémon hearing the song will faint in three turns!
    The foe's Politoed's perish count fell to 3.
    Echizen's perish count fell to 3.
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 72
    Pocket called Echizen back!
    Pocket sent out Sting (Tentacruel)!
    The foe's Politoed used Toxic!
    The foe's Politoed's perish count fell to 2.
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 73
    Sting used Toxic Spikes!
    Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of the foe's team!
    The foe's Politoed used Perish Song!
    All Pokémon hearing the song will faint in three turns!
    The foe's Politoed's perish count fell to 1.
    Sting's perish count fell to 3.
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Politoed restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 74
    Pocket called Sting back!
    Pocket sent out Echizen (Jellicent)!
    UberLax called Politoed back!
    UberLax sent out Gliscor!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!
    Turn 75
    The foe's Gliscor used Earthquake!
    Echizen lost 27% of its health!
    Echizen used Scald!
    It's super effective! The foe's Gliscor lost 88% of its health!
    Echizen restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gliscor restored HP using its Poison Heal!
    Turn 76
    UberLax called Gliscor back!
    UberLax sent out Blissey!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Blissey!
    The foe's Blissey is hurt by the spikes!
    The foe's Blissey was poisoned!
    Pocket called Echizen back!
    Pocket sent out Wendy (Latias)!
    Wendy restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey was hurt by poison!
    Turn 77
    Pocket called Wendy back!
    Pocket sent out Sting (Tentacruel)!
    The foe's Blissey used Wish!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey was hurt by poison!
    Turn 78
    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by Pocket)
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    Sting used Toxic Spikes!
    Poison spikes were scattered all around the feet of the foe's team!
    The foe's Blissey used Seismic Toss!
    Sting lost 27% of its health!
    Sting's Rain Dish heals it!
    Blissey's wish came true!
    Sting restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey was hurt by poison!
    Turn 79
    Pocket called Sting back!
    Pocket sent out Ivy (Ferrothorn)!
    The foe's Blissey used Wish!
    The foe's Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Blissey was hurt by poison!
    Turn 80
    UberLax called Blissey back!
    UberLax sent out Tornadus-Therian!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Tornadus-Therian!
    Ivy used Power Whip!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Tornadus-Therian lost 19% of its health!
    The foe's Tornadus-Therian fainted!
    UberLax: :(
    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by Pocket)
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    UberLax sent out Gliscor!
    Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!
    Turn 81
    The foe's Gliscor used Taunt!
    Ivy fell for the taunt!
    Ivy used Gyro Ball!
    The foe's Gliscor lost 12% of its health!
    The foe's Gliscor fainted!
    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by Pocket)
    UberLax: gg
    Pocket: thanks
    UberLax forfeited.
    Pocket won the battle!
    Ladder updating...
    UberLax left.
    UberLax's rating: 1736 → 1729
    (-7 for losing)
    Pocket's rating: 1490 → 1517
    (+19 for winning, +8 from bonus pool)
  11. PK Gaming

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    Ok, i'm posting in direct opposition of Pocket.

    You should keep CB and axe every other set, since they're really bad in BW OU. Restalk got slammed by the mechanics change and is just a weak set in general and you will never successfully pull off a curse sweep in gen V. Physical attackers hit too hard (hell a good amount of Special Attackers "hit Snorlax too hard" like Psychock Latios). The tank set isn't necessarily bad, but I feel that's an (inferior) extension to the CB. It was good when Selfdestruct didn't suck, but now it's slash material at best. Snorlax as a whole isn't particular good in BW, and CB is the only set that allows it to keep up with the current metagame. I think there's a better spread out there, but i've got nothing for now so you'll have to wait on it.

    Choice Band:

    The moveset order should look like this:
    -Return
    -Pursuit
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Punch / Crunch

    Earthquake is non-negotiable. You'll need it if you want to to get meaningful damage on things like Tyranitar, Heatran, etc so having it slashed is a bad idea. Fire Punch is almost as important, since it gets useful coverage on things like Ferrothorn & Forretress. I don't think slashing it with Wild Charge on the other hand is kind of a weak option and it has recoil. Crunch also targets Jellicent, and WC' isn't actually useful against Skarmory since it'll stall you out. Put it in AC, along with Body Slam.
  12. Princess Bubblegum

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    Yeah Ill get rid of sleep talk, the special attackers in the meta are too strong to be messing with rest like that.

    The "tank" set is pretty solid I have to say though, instead of firing off boosted attacks it goes more on the path of a pivot, a glue of sorts, that works greatly to spread paralysis or damage. At the very least that and CB should be in the analysis.

    Im not to sure about Pockets set, ill have to give it a go myself before I say anything, it looks interesting though.

    Curse takes a bit of team support to pull off in this meta, but it still can work. I really want to play with it more because I feel that is may still be an acceptable set.

    On the note of earthquake, I do agree with you on earthquake as a main slash, its a bit of my bias towards Gengar that made me think you could run without it...Not to sure about wild charge though. For now will keep it as a slash until further input.

    Edit: After looking at the numbers, Princess's Bri's set is interesting, although it doesn't exactly avoid a 2HKO from Latios's draco meteor, it actually adds a slim chance. Im not sure its worth the toss up.
  13. alexwolf

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    I think that the Curse set has a lot of merit, and is a good set in this meta, provided you give it the right support. In theory it is a a Blissey with less special bulk, no reliable recovery, more resistances, and respectable offensive presence, along with a good boosting move. So if Blissey is usable, it can't be that bad right?

    Being able to wall Volcarona in Sun even better than Blissey, and being able to actually counter any Volcarona and Latias out there (the blobs lose to ChestoRest Rona and Refresh Latias) is something no other poke can boast. Also it is able to tank hits from the most powerful special attackers in the tier, such as non-Psyshock Latios, Heatran (in sun), Rotom-W in rain and Specs Politoed, so this makes it as a great all around check to any many weather special attackers. For this reason Curse Lax fits best in weather-less balanced teams, imo.

    After walling all those stuff, it can either start boosting with Curse or fire off a Body Slam on the incoming fighters, such as Terrakion, possibly paralyzing them, and screwing them for the rest of the match. After the strong physical attackers and the physical walls have been eliminated from the opponent's side, Snorlax is very hard to stop, as even at +1 every non fighting-type poke struggles to OHKO. CB Haxorus is the only non-fighting poke that comes close to ohkoing Snorlax after a boost, doing 85.49 - 100.76% (6.25% chance to ohko). This is a super effective 120 BP attack from a CB poke with 147 Base Attack... This speaks for itself!

    The set i have been using is 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD with a Careful nature, and a moveset of Curse / Body Slam / EQ / Rest. Curse is obvious, while Body Slam is the best option by far, as it allows Snorlax to cripple all those strong physical attackers that want to abuse Snorlax in the early game. Unless someone shows some important ohkoes that Return gets vs some important targets, i think that Body Slam should be alone in the 2nd slot and Return should go to AC. For the third move i prefer EQ, so i can quickly dispose of Heatran, Tyranitar and Terrakion if i need to, as well as counter non-Psyshock CM Jirachi's in rain. Fire Punch is nice move to hit Scizor, Ferrothorn and Forretress and Skarmory, but those mons are generally way less threatening than the ones that EQ hits, and you should already have something else to take care of the hazards setters, as Snorlax's main job is to wall special attackers and attempt a sweep late game, not trying to eliminate hazard setters on the switch. But anyway both deserve to be in the 3rd slot, but i think that EQ should be slashed first. Then Rest goes in the last slot, to give Snorlax a way of recovery, and allow him to sweep late-game, when everything that hits hard from the physical side is eliminated, so that you can actually stall out the sleep turns. Max HP and SpD are a must imo, as Snorlax's main role is to wall speciall attackers, and the physical side is going to be boosted anyway.

    As far as teammates go, pokes to handle all the strong physical attackers that Snorlax attracts are a must. Heal Bell support i also a godsend for Snorlax, and makes him so much more effective. For those reasons physically defensive Celebi is one of the best partners for Snorlax, as it cehcks/counters most fighters, while also providing Heal Bell support. Slowbro is no slouch either, as he can eat any fighter for breakfast, as well as check any physical dragon.

    I will be adding some logs of Curse Lax in action day by day... Here is what i have so far:

    Logs (open)
    Tofuman joined.
    alexwolf joined.
    Format: OU
    Rated battle
    Rule: Sleep Clause
    Rule: Species Clause
    Rule: OHKO Clause
    Rule: Evasion Clause
    alexwolf's team: Kingdra / Xatu / Snorlax / Slowbro / Scizor / Celebi
    Tofuman's team: Sawsbuck / Keldeo-Resolution / Heatran / Gastrodon / Dragonite / Volcarona
    Battle between Tofuman and alexwolf started!
    Tofuman sent out Sawsbuck!
    alexwolf sent out Snorlax!
    Turn 1

    alexwolf called Snorlax back!
    alexwolf sent out Scizor!
    The foe's Sawsbuck used Agility!
    The foe's Sawsbuck's Speed sharply rose!
    Turn 2

    The foe's Sawsbuck used Return!
    It's not very effective... Scizor lost 34% of its health!
    The foe's Sawsbuck lost some of its HP!
    Scizor used U-turn!
    It's super effective! The foe's Sawsbuck lost 90% of its health!
    The foe's Sawsbuck fainted!
    alexwolf called Scizor back!
    alexwolf sent out Kingdra!
    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by alexwolf)
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    Tofuman sent out Gastrodon!
    Turn 3

    alexwolf called Kingdra back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Gastrodon used Ice Beam!
    It's super effective! Celebi lost 35% of its health!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 4

    Tofuman called Gastrodon back!
    Tofuman sent out Heatran!
    Celebi used Perish Song!
    All Pokémon hearing the song will faint in three turns!
    The foe's Heatran's perish count fell to 3.
    Celebi's perish count fell to 3.
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 5

    Tofuman called Heatran back!
    Tofuman sent out Volcarona!
    alexwolf called Celebi back!
    alexwolf sent out Snorlax!
    Turn 6

    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by alexwolf)
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    Tofuman called Volcarona back!
    Tofuman sent out Heatran!
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    Turn 7

    The foe's Heatran used Magma Storm!
    Snorlax lost 12% of its health!
    Snorlax used Earthquake!
    It's super effective! The foe's Heatran lost 100% of its health!
    The foe's Heatran fainted!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax's magmastorm ended!
    Tofuman sent out Keldeo-Resolution!
    Turn 8

    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's Special Attack rose!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's Special Defense rose!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution lost 51% of its health!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 9

    alexwolf called Snorlax back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution used Secret Sword!
    It's not very effective... Celebi lost 21% of its health!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 10

    Celebi used Perish Song!
    All Pokémon hearing the song will faint in three turns!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective! Celebi lost 59% of its health!
    Celebi's perish count fell to 3.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's perish count fell to 3.
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 11

    Celebi used Recover!
    Celebi regained health!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Celebi's perish count fell to 2.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's perish count fell to 2.
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 12

    alexwolf called Celebi back!
    alexwolf sent out Snorlax!
    Tofuman called Keldeo-Resolution back!
    Tofuman sent out Volcarona!
    Turn 13

    Tofuman called Volcarona back!
    Tofuman sent out Dragonite!
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    Turn 14

    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 16% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Snorlax lost 17% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 15

    Tofuman: Excuse me for a moment.
    alexwolf: ok
    Tofuman: Ok back. Sorry, is that i went to get my breakfast
    alexwolf called slow back!
    alexwolf sent out Snorlax!
    The foe's Dragonite used Substitute!
    The foe's Dragonite put in a substitute!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 16

    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite's substitute took the damage!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    The attack of the foe's Dragonite missed!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 17

    The foe's Dragonite used Roost!
    The foe's Dragonite regained health!
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 18

    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Snorlax lost 12% of its health!
    Turn 19

    alexwolf called Scizor back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Thunder Wave!
    Celebi was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 20

    Celebi is paralyzed! It can't move!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 17% of its health!
    Turn 21

    alexwolf called Xatu back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 15% of its health!
    Turn 22

    alexwolf called Kingdra back!
    alexwolf sent out slow (Slowbro)!
    The foe's Dragonite used Thunder Wave!
    slow was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Turn 23

    slow used Psychic!
    The foe's Dragonite's substitute faded!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    slow lost 16% of its health!
    Turn 24

    alexwolf called Kingdra back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Thunder Wave!
    Celebi was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 25

    haunter joined.
    Celebi used Recover!
    Celebi regained health!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 18% of its health!
    Turn 26

    haunter left.
    Tofuman called Dragonite back!
    Tofuman sent out Keldeo-Resolution!
    alexwolf called slow back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 27

    Celebi used Perish Song!
    All Pokémon hearing the song will faint in three turns!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution used Calm Mind!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's Special Attack rose!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's Special Defense rose!
    Celebi's perish count fell to 3.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's perish count fell to 3.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 28

    Celebi used Giga Drain!
    It's super effective! The foe's Keldeo-Resolution lost 44% of its health!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution had its energy drained!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Celebi's perish count fell to 2.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's perish count fell to 2.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 29

    Celebi used Heal Bell!
    A bell chimed!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution used Hidden Power!
    It's super effective! Celebi lost 62% of its health!
    Celebi's perish count fell to 1.
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution's perish count fell to 1.
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 30

    haunter joined.
    haunter left.
    alexwolf called Celebi back!
    alexwolf sent out Kingdra!
    Tofuman called Keldeo-Resolution back!
    Tofuman sent out Dragonite!
    Turn 31

    alexwolf called Kingdra back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Thunder Wave!
    Celebi was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 32

    haunter joined.
    Celebi used Recover!
    Celebi regained health!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 16% of its health!
    Turn 33

    haunter left.
    alexwolf called slow back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 15% of its health!
    Turn 34

    alexwolf called slow back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 16% of its health!
    Turn 35

    alexwolf called Scizor back!
    alexwolf sent out Celebi!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 15% of its health!
    Turn 36

    alexwolf called Scizor back!
    alexwolf sent out slow (Slowbro)!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    slow lost 17% of its health!
    Turn 37

    Xatu used U-turn!
    A critical hit! It's not very effective... The foe's Dragonite lost 5% of its health!
    alexwolf called Xatu back!
    alexwolf sent out slow (Slowbro)!
    The foe's Dragonite used Substitute!
    The foe's Dragonite put in a substitute!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 25% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 38

    haunter joined.
    alexwolf: Parashuffling Dnite is so useless
    haunter left.
    slow used Ice Beam!
    It's super effective! The foe's Dragonite's substitute faded!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    slow lost 16% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 39

    alexwolf: does literlly nothing
    Inactive players will forfeit in 180 seconds. (requested by alexwolf)
    Tofuman: Good for you, princess.
    The restart or kick was interrupted by activity.
    Celebi used Recover!
    Celebi regained health!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Celebi lost 17% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 40

    alexwolf: and i am not talking about only my team
    alexwolf: but whatever
    Tofuman called Dragonite back!
    Tofuman sent out Gastrodon!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Gastrodon lost 37% of its health!
    The foe's Gastrodon was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 41

    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    The foe's Gastrodon used Scald!
    Snorlax lost 11% of its health!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 42

    haunter joined.
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    The foe's Gastrodon is paralyzed! It can't move!
    The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 43

    haunter left.
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    The foe's Gastrodon used Scald!
    Snorlax lost 12% of its health!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Gastrodon restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 44

    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Gastrodon lost 88% of its health!
    The foe's Gastrodon fainted!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Tofuman sent out Dragonite!
    Turn 45

    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 50% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Tail!
    Snorlax lost 11% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 46

    Tofuman called Dragonite back!
    Tofuman sent out Volcarona!
    Xatu used U-turn!
    It's not very effective... The foe's Volcarona lost 8% of its health!
    alexwolf called Xatu back!
    alexwolf sent out Snorlax!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Volcarona restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 47

    The foe's Volcarona used Fiery Dance!
    Snorlax lost 8% of its health!
    The foe's Volcarona's Special Attack rose!
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    The foe's Volcarona restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 48

    The foe's Volcarona used Hidden Power!
    Snorlax lost 15% of its health!
    Snorlax used Curse!
    Snorlax's Attack rose!
    Snorlax's Defense rose!
    Snorlax's Speed fell!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 49

    Tofuman called Volcarona back!
    Tofuman sent out Keldeo-Resolution!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    A critical hit! The foe's Keldeo-Resolution lost 54% of its health!
    The foe's Keldeo-Resolution fainted!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Tofuman sent out Dragonite!
    Turn 50

    The foe's Dragonite used Roost!
    The foe's Dragonite regained health!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 44% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 51

    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 43% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 52

    The foe's Dragonite used Roost!
    The foe's Dragonite regained health!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 41% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 53

    The foe's Dragonite used Roost!
    The foe's Dragonite regained health!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 42% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 54

    The foe's Dragonite used Roost!
    The foe's Dragonite regained health!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 23% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 55

    The foe's Dragonite used Thunder Wave!
    Snorlax was paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 46% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 56

    The foe's Dragonite is paralyzed! It can't move!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Dragonite lost 40% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 57

    The foe's Dragonite used Roost!
    The foe's Dragonite regained health!
    Snorlax is paralyzed! It can't move!
    The foe's Dragonite restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 58

    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    A critical hit! The foe's Dragonite lost 66% of its health!
    The foe's Dragonite fainted!
    Tofuman sent out Volcarona!
    Turn 59

    The foe's Volcarona used Fiery Dance!
    Snorlax lost 8% of its health!
    The foe's Volcarona's Special Attack rose!
    Snorlax used Body Slam!
    The foe's Volcarona lost 83% of its health!
    The foe's Volcarona restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Snorlax restored HP using its Leftovers!
    Turn 60

    The foe's Volcarona used Fiery Dance!
    Snorlax lost 12% of its health!
    The foe's Volcarona's Special Attack rose!
    Snorlax used Earthquake!
    The foe's Volcarona lost 24% of its health!
    The foe's Volcarona fainted!
    alexwolf won the battle!
    Ladder updating...
    Tofuman's rating: 1134 → 1137
    (-5 for losing, +8 from bonus pool)
    alexwolf's rating: 1751 → 1752
    (+1 for winning)
    Tofuman: gg
    Tofuman left.

  14. ginganinja

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    Posting to agree with PK Gaming.

    Please axe every set BAR Choice Band. I honestly believe that its really the best option Snorlax has in this current metagame, and its other sets are mediocre at best.
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    Bad to see CurseLax go, as it was a very solid mon when i used it, as long as you knew WHY to use it. It is one of the few mons that can counter Volcarona without getting trapped by Dugtrio, while also checking Venusaur like a boss after something takes the Sleep Power. All in all it was a very solid mon to use in a sun team (countering Lati@s is amazing for Sun teams too), or in a weatherless team that wanted something to handle Sun (which most weatherless teams have problem with). Imo it is not worth using in Sand, because it takes aways your only means of recovery outside of Rest, and in Rain you can't really wall all those double STAB special water moves flying around.

    My problem with CBLax being the only set, is that not all players would want an offensive Snorlax, as many balanced and stall weather-less or sun teams would love the defensive variant.

    Anyway as i don't have nor the time nor the energy to go through the effort of convincing the QC about CurseLax by providing logs and some convincing long ass posts, i may try to pass it through QC as a sole set somewhen in the future.

    EDIT: Just something interesting i found... Check out how those teams (French Orgy with Belzebuth, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, Eruption), which are the best sun teams of BW1, are swept from CurseLax (while also getting walled by him for the most part ) once just one poke goes down (CBNite in Eruption, CB Terrakion in Stone Cold's team), or even with zero pokes down in the case of the French Orgy team. No other poke can do this to Sun teams, and is the main reason why CurseLax deserves a set.
  16. PK Gaming

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    Scarfwynaut hasn't touched this for about a month, and he's been inactive for at least 2 weeks

    So...

    I'm moving this
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