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Snowing Slowly

Discussion in 'BW Other Teams' started by Solerme, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. Solerme

    Solerme

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    Hello everyone, and welcome to my team "Snowing Slowly". First of all i apologize for my bad english, so forgive me if i do errors or similar (and feel free to correct me). After playing around 1500 games on showdown with my team i decided to write here, asking for a hand to improve it and fit the weak spots.

    Now let's give a first glance at the team:

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    The Idea Behind

    My idea was to counter tailwind teams, weather teams, the annoying Thunderwave spam, and also the prevalence of fast sweepers all at once. This ofcourse choosing a Trick Room setter and a weather inducer, and then building a team around this strategy.

    If you're asking why Hail, instead of the stronger Rain or also Sand...well, first i like it more, then i think that if the original idea was to build a counter-strategy team, with the prevalence of teams built on those strategies (rain/sand/tw) hail is a good choice, cutting out pokemon with weather boost (like the annoying SpD buff on Tar, for example), and also the elemental benefits induced in rain and sun.
    Also Abomasnow is the slowest weather inducer, so i can lead with him and set my Hail without problems (bar Iron Ball inducers, and the rare Hippowdon).


    Pokemons

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    A Hug? @Mental Herb
    Trait Mummy
    Evs 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    - Shadow Ball
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Trick Room
    - Protect

    My TR setter, ladies and gentlemen: Cofagrigus!
    With a huge (unbuffed) Def and a good special defence, this guy is an ethereal tank. The ghost type is a given in a tier where fighting type and the move fake out are so common.
    I prefere him on Cresselia because he doesn't matter about fake out, and i find this crucial when partnering with any of my slow pokemon, giving them the chance to protect the first turn, while setting up.
    Also he doesn't need an eviolite like Dusclops, leaving space for the taunt-counter, the mental herb.
    His move pool is pritty standard, exept for Protect instead of Pain Split. Often players try to focus him with a dual attack, trying to stop my setting...this allows me to gain a free turn and hit back freely.



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    Mr.Snow @Focus Sash
    Traint Snow Warning
    Evs 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
    Quiet Nature
    - Blizzard
    - Giga Drain
    - Ice Shard
    - Protect

    My weather inducer. Thanks to his ability he doesn't only counters other weathers, but he also breaks focus sash and preserve his own one. His main STAB move, Blizzard, is so strong in the VGC tier hitting both of the opponent pokemon, OHKOing many dragons, birds, genies, and hitting all that doesn't resist it with a good, 100% accuracy, damage. Giga Drain is another STAB move, great to deal with water types (expecially with gastrodon and swampert) and to heal some Hp. Ice Shard is his last attack, a great priority stab that sweeps low hp pkms and helps when TR fade out.
    It's true that the Frosted Tree has 7 weakness, with 3 of them being very bad for this tier (rock, fighting and fire), but he resist to water, ground and lightning gaining also a chance to absorb common moves like thunderbolt or discharge, surf or hydropump, and earthquake, fitting also very well two weakness of my slowking.



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    Headaches @Sitrus Berry
    Trait Regenerator
    Evs 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 SpA
    Quiet Nature
    - Blizzard
    - Scald
    - Flamethrower
    - Protect


    He covers some of Abomasnow weakness, like fire, fighting and steel (expecially good vs bullet punch or mach punch if abomasnow is alive thanks to the Sash), and can do good if my team is under the rain, tanking dual STABbed surf while i try to set up again my Hail. The coverage of his move pool is huge, hitting so many threats of my team like Metagross or (if the TR is up) Scizor with flamethrower; Tyranitar with scald (if hail is up) having also a 30% to burn him; blizzard to close the coverage.
    When he is on the Abomasnow's side, the dual blizzard spam is so OP giving me a 19% chance to freeze at least 1 of the 2 enemy every turn.



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    GoalKeeper @Flame Orb
    Trait: Guts
    Evs 214 HP / 44 Def / 252 Atk
    Brave Nature
    - Mach Punch
    - Drain Punch
    - Rock Slide
    - Protect

    This guy is a war machine. He can OHKO pokemon weak to fighting type with just a mach punch when statussed, if you consider 1 or 2 hail damage (and this is huge when TR fades). He recovers so much when he Drain Punch a Tyranitar, and can cripple also pokemon that take neutral damage from it. Rock Slide a coverage move that i need to OHKO Volcarona (that really scares me), and hit the thunder and the air genies for very, very good damage. Plus he works as a status absorber. The investiment in Def is to tank Dark moves, and protect Cofagrigus, and Rock/Bug moves, to cover Abomasnow.
    The only bad thing about him is the 18% of life that loses every turn with Hail up. Anyway, when TR is up, i usually don't have problems to recover with Drain Punch.



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    RhastaBoy @Flying Gem
    Trait: Levitate
    Evs 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Atk
    Brave Nature
    - Acrobatics
    - Wild Charge
    - Dragon Claw
    - Protect

    i use him, instead of conkeldurr, expecially vs rain teams and their Ludicolos and Toxicroak OHKOing both with a boosted acrobatics and also doing huge damage to Politoed with his STABbed Wild Charge, and to Kingdra with Dragon Claw. His levitate is a given in this tier, leaving him with no weakness and letting him, with his natural bulk, to survive and hit back also if TR is not up.




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    Sup Buddy? @Chople Berry
    Trait Intimidate
    Evs 252 Hp / 4 SpD / 252 Atk
    Brave Nature
    - Fake Out
    - Drain Punch
    - Crunch
    - Protect

    I often switch this guy with conkeldurr when the other team has a Latios, Latias or also a Cresselia if i don't need Mach Punch. His ability, Intimidate, is great to cripple enemy's attackers (killing them totally if in combo with WoW), plus his great bulk can really help when TR fades (just like eelektross). Also i use him when i need to set up facing a Gengar or a Chandelure, protecting my Cofagrigus and killing them with Crunch (or just scaring them and setting up, it's all about predict i guess). His Fake out also help greatly to set up, or just to avoid/deal damage.








    Major Threats and Problems:


    If i don't set up TR and i lose Cofagrigus my chances of winning the game lowers very much, this usually happens cause of a bad predict, but there are also some moves and pokemons that i find (very) hard to deal with:


    MOVES

    - Swagger

    I hate it...i have so much bad luck that sometimes i hit my self like 3 times in a raw, poorly losing the chance to set up TR or also to attack.


    - SpA Bug moves

    If conkeldurr can tank a u-turn or a megahorn, he can't deal as good as hes does with physical moves with a bug buzz, expecially if is Volcarona's.

    - Ghost Gem Shadow Ball / Dark Gem Dark Pulse

    Cofagrigus can tank a max attack SB from any pokemon, and also a Dark Pulse even from Hydreigon, but he get an OHKO if those moves are boosted with a Gem, so i'm forced to risk a hard predict and gamble.


    POKEMONS

    - Volcarona

    he is really a pain for me. i can't ohko him with Scald (not even 2koing him in the sun). The only way to deal with him is to Rock Slide, hoping i won't miss, or to take time and Scald him when he is at 3/4 of the life (and trust me, it's very hard for my team to take time vs him. Forcing me to take risks). With Heat Wave and Bug Buzz he can kill abomasnow and slowking, or just bait me to death dealing damage to every one else.


    - Scizor (without TR)

    if i don't get my TR up, bug bite can destroy Abomasnow and Slowking (also eating his Sitrus Berry). if he has also Acrobatics, he can take away also Conk.


    - Chandelure

    Man...If he leads for me it's a pain. He can OHKO Cofagrigus plus he can use Imprison, he also can Heat Wave (leaving abomasnow with the sash) and can also deal massive damage to Slowking (OHKO with ghost gem).
    I'm trying Scafty expecially to counter him, but i feel this is not the best way to do it...


    - Escavalier

    With a 20 base speed, in the TR he can outspeed also my slower pokemon, killing with megahorn either abomasnow and slowking...
    I'm forced to WoW him and to choose Scrafty for the Intimidate unbuff, or just to not TR, but i usually have problems vs him....




    Conclusion

    At the moment i'm top 10 in the VGC tier of pokemon showdown (and i was top 30 in the vgc2013dev), but i still feel this team has some big weak spots. I tryed to find a way to improve it, but i'm stucked so i would really appreciate the community help, or also just a simple rate!

    I hope you will enjoy reading my team, Snowing Slowly
  2. hathater

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    i love this team its so original, but with a lot of holes. just some things, why not use an eviolite? it would be a waste to not use it. after all, they are really good and a gem. Clefariy? Chansey? clefairy can bring a lot of bulk because of friend guard. As for volcrona, I would say use jellicent, it can have trick room, and water spout 252+ SpA Jellicent Water Spout vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Volcarona: 282-332 (75.4 - 88.77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO, since jellicent can take hits, it will live for the KO also, it could be a counter for chandulure. You are missing a water-grass-fire core. A fire type is an obvious counter to excaviler, infernape is a prime example with a fire-fighting type and is a great mixed/special/physical attacker scizor is also counterd by infernape. You don't have much resistences. I feel 2 trick room users is insufficient. i don't feel acrobatics on electross isn't the best choice, it doesn't get stab. Just liike facade users, the really need stab unless its an exception, conkeldurr is a prime example. Facade will wreck. To get rid of swagger, simply have an explosion pokemon to get rid of it or skill swap on slowking to get rid of the swagger users with prankster. Good luck!
  3. Solerme

    Solerme

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    thanks buddy!

    i'm going to try Jellicent on Slowking also if i lose the chance to ohko scizor with flamethrower...
    (i already tryed him on scrafty and it doesn't work, i lack a counter of chandelure)

    Why not acrobatics on Eelektross? It's like his best move for my team :P He destroyes all fighting types, ludicolo, toxicroak, amongoos, and many threats of my team :O

    What would you choose instead?
  4. Solerme

    Solerme

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    i need some help to improve this team, if someone could rate it would be awesome :/
  5. Er Filethe

    Er Filethe

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    Use this evs for scrafty it allows to survive hp flyings of thundurus-t,CC of fighting gem top and other treaths for it
    184 HP / 252 Atk/ 36 Def / 36 SpDef
    And for abomasnow you should use this ev spread 142 HP / 116 Atk / 252 SpAtk this evs is used for increase the power of Ice Shard because you don't need some HP with focus shash
    The solution to Scizor,Escavalier and Chandelure are Heatran
    You can OHKO Volcarona with expert belt in slowbro
  6. Solerme

    Solerme

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    thanks I'll try out your advice, expecially with expert belt on slowking and trying to find a place for Heatran
  7. tlyee61

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    hey man, as per request, here's my rate. your team looks pretty good, except for Conkeldurr / Scrafty xD They have some overlapping weaknesses such as Fighting, Bug and Flying. I would probably have a different opinion. For this reason, I think you should add a Hariyama to your team. It takes the role of a strong Fake Out mon and a powerful TR sweeper. This way, you have another space to take care of your weaknesses. An example set would be

    Hariyama @ Flame Orb
    252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 whatever
    -Ice Punch / Rock Slide
    -Close Combat
    -Detect / Wide Guard
    -Fake Out

    With your remaining spot, I think a bulky Water-type like Suicune or Rotom-W could work well. They could counter the remaining 4 mons that your team is weak to. Even though they don't synergize very well with Slowking, I think most of your problems could be solved by either of the two.
  8. Solerme

    Solerme

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    Hey! I was looking foward to your rate :)

    but i'm asking my self: do you mean Abomasnow / Scrafty? Or i'm misunderstanding something? Cause conk doesn't have a bug and a fighting weakness o.o'...

    if yes i really want to keep my hail inducer!

    if not i will replace conk/scrafty and try out a hariyama + suicune (@Chesto Berry, Relaxed 252 Hp 140 def 116 SpA. Scald/Blizzard/Cm/Rest) along with abomasnow and cofagrigus
  9. tlyee61

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    oops xD, I was talking about conk or Scrafty. Sorry about that!

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