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[touched]

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Gaea Incarnate
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 36 Spd / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Psychic
- Recover
- Substitute

i like. gets 308 def, 245 spd to beat tar, and just enough spatk to ohko gengar like 99% of the time

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Hrothgar
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 114 Atk / 56 Def / 136 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Body Slam
- Fire Blast
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

id like eq on it, but gengars a bitch. help with EVs would be welcome

Jynx (F) @ Leftovers ** Black Frost
Trait: Oblivious
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Spd / 124 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Substitute

Suicune @ Leftovers ** Atlantic City
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Black Magic
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Reflect

reflect helps a lot

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Scrapmetal
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 26 Atk / 216 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes


i have problems with DD/CBmence, if they have fire blast. i would use a stalk/beam/surf cune, but crocune has raped many an opponent for me to change it. im considering focusing claydol on def and putting light screen > reflect.

 

[Umby]

Celebi @ Leftovers ** Gaea Incarnate
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 36 Spd / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Psychic
- Recover
- Substitute

i like. gets 308 def, 245 spd to beat tar, and just enough spatk to ohko gengar like 99% of the time

I can't recall the last time I saw Jolly Tar, but ok.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Hrothgar
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 114 Atk / 56 Def / 136 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Body Slam
- Fire Blast
- Rest
- Shadow Ball

id like eq on it, but gengars a bitch. help with EVs would be welcome

With Celebi passing subs, I'd like to see Focus Punch over Rest.

Jynx (F) @ Leftovers ** Black Frost
Trait: Oblivious
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Spd / 124 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Substitute

I assume the extra HP is to fend off early against special attacks. I'd have to do some damage calcs to validate that, but I'm thinking most of those HP EVs would do better in SAtk

Suicune @ Leftovers ** Atlantic City
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf

Claydol @ Leftovers ** Black Magic
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Reflect

reflect helps a lot

Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers ** Scrapmetal
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 26 Atk / 216 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Roar
- Spikes


i have problems with DD/CBmence, if they have fire blast. i would use a stalk/beam/surf cune, but crocune has raped many an opponent for me to change it. im considering focusing claydol on def and putting light screen > reflect.

Sub on Celebi only really sets up for Jynx here, and maybe Skarmory, but a good number of things coming to counter Celebi either break the sub on the switch to them or phaze it out. I'd honestly see more use coming from it with Reflect or Leech Seed. Heal Bell would leave Cel's defenses wide open, but it would be useful as well. If you can see yourself forgoing using Rapid Spin, you could even be as bold as to add Solrock, effectively countering DD/CBMence and Gyarados, over Claydol while keeping a ground immunity and adding an extra normal/flying resist. Also adds a bit of a physical punch that you are lacking. Other than that, I see it having issues with the occasional Boah.

 

[touched]

well, this used to be a CM pass team, and celebi did have CM > sub, but i changed that since i thought it was redundant. id also like to question the usefulness of focus punch on snorlax. even if it is getting subs, it seems situational and only used for tar. i like rest on lax because anything else that can take special attacks needs set up time, and its not getting wish/leech seed support either.

ill try solrock, but that seems leaves me open to stuff like rock slides from CBtar and aero. jynx's hp EVs give it 304, for leftovers recovery. i got the spread exactly from the old analysis.

 

[Umby]

Focus Punch mainly for predicted Tar switch-ins etc. FP/FB/Shadow Ball/Body Slam used to be a frequently used set a while ago because it "countered" everything that tried to counter Snorlax.

 

[tayottt]

I would suggest taking of skarm and putting in ddmence to pass those celebi subs. XD

 

[Umby]

Then the team is extremely weak to Tauros, Curselax and Gyarados.

 

[touched]

Basically, a flying/normal weakness. i tried out solrock, but i like me my rock resister.