SpD Talonflame

[NOVED]

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Roost
item: Lum Berry
ability: Gale Wings
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 44 Def / 172 SpD / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Brave Bird is Talonflame's strongest Flying-type STAB move to take advantage of Gale Wings. It will mainly be used to revenge kill weakened Pokemon or finish off foes after stalling burn damage. Will-O-Wisp is great for wearing down Pokemon and hindering physical attackers. Taunt stops defensive Pokemon from using recovery or using Toxic on Talonflame. Roost allows Talonflame to stall Pokemon alongside burn damage, and thanks to Gale Wings, it can Roost on faster offensive Pokemon as well.

Set Details
========

The HP and Defense EVs allow Talonflame to avoid being KOed by a combination of Rock Tomb and Mach Punch from a burned Breloom so you can beat Focus Sash variants. 52 Speed EVs are used to outspeed up to Adamant maximum Speed Mega Kangaskhan, and the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Defense. A Careful nature with a lot of Special Defense investment is used to take on common special attacking walls such as Cresselia and Porygon2. The Special Defense is also helpful to take on some common offensive special attackers such as Mega Gengar and Sylveon. Lum Berry allows Talonflame to switch into defensive Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Chansey, and avoid getting poisoned by Toxic. It also helps to avoid getting put to sleep by Breloom and Mega Venusaur. Gale Wings allows Talonflame to revenge kill weakened Pokemon with Brave Bird or use priority Roost to stall out faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Mega Gengar.

Usage Tips
========

This set should be played defensively, slowly wearing down Pokemon until they get in range of a KO from Brave Bird. Bring Talonflame in against defensive Pokemon such as Cresselia, Porygon2, Ferrothorn, and Mega Venusaur, and wear them down with Will-O-Wisp and Taunt to limit their recovery. Taking these bulky Pokemon out or weakening them can pave the way for Talonflame's more offensive teammates to win the game. After Talonflame's Lum Berry is used, be careful switching directly into defensive Pokemon because Toxic is detrimental to this set. Once you have Pokemon such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn burned and Taunted, you can safely spam Will-O-Wisp to catch switch-ins. Since they will be doing very little damage to Talonflame, Roosting every turn isn't necessary, so you can Roost only when needed and use Will-O-Wisp on other turns. This set is mainly used as a stallbreaker, but thanks to Gale Wings it's very flexible. It can also be used against offensive teams as a check to Pokemon such as Mega Gengar, Aegislash, Blaziken, and Volcarona. Priority Brave Bird can pick up revenge kills on many weakened Pokemon on offensive teams, and Will-O-Wisp is very useful against teams with a lot of strong physical attackers, such as Mega Kangaskhan and Garchomp.

Team Options
========

Talonflame works very well with many physical attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Mawile, Tyranitar, Garchomp, and Mamoswine, as it is able to weaken and take care of many physical walls such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn and switch into Will-O-Wisp for them. In turn, many of these physical attackers are able to deal with Thundurus and other Electric-types for Talonflame. Mega Gengar likes taking advantage of the burns Talonflame spreads with Hex. Suicune and Rotom-W like having Talonflame around as a check to Grass-types. Suicune and defensive Rotom-W variants can deal with Garchomp for Talonflame. Rotom-W can also take out bulky Water-types, such as Suicune, and use Volt Switch to get Talonflame in safely against opposing Pokemon so Talonflame doesn't need to risk switching directly in and fear taking an incoming Toxic or Sleep move.

 

[NOVED]

this is ready to be checked

Theorymon cant say Hulavuta bobochan Demantoid DragonWhale Psynergy

 

[bobochan]

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive

I know Maranga Berry has less than 1% usage, but it's worth considering/getting a slash. It allows you take on special attacks much better. With the given spread Talonflame will be taking 45-55% from Shadow Ball and Scald, but with a SpD boost, these attacks no longer pose a threat or will it be pressured to Roost. Good for against bulky Water-types, and you can even take on Rotom-W to a lesser extent (will still be doing around half after the boost but you can always hope for a Hydro miss).

Team Options
========

As usual, things that are weak to Fighting-types and Mach Punches in particularly are decent teammates, such as Tyranitar and Greninja. Talonflame helps them deal with Ferrothorn, Breloom, Blaziken. Tyranitar is a great check to Electric-types lacking Focus Blast, such as Raikou and Mega Manectric. Greninja specifically can beat opposing Tyranitar and Azumarill with its coverage for Talonflame.

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[NOVED]

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive

I know Maranga Berry has less than 1% usage, but it's worth considering/getting a slash. It allows you take on special attacks much better. With the given spread Talonflame will be taking 45-55% from Shadow Ball and Scald, but with a SpD boost, these attacks no longer pose a threat or will it be pressured to Roost. Good for against bulky Water-types, and you can even take on Rotom-W to a lesser extent (will still be doing around half after the boost but you can always hope for a Hydro miss).

Team Options
========

As usual, things that are weak to Fighting-types and Mach Punches in particularly are decent teammates, such as Tyranitar and Greninja. Talonflame helps them deal with Ferrothorn, Breloom, Blaziken. Tyranitar is a great check to Electric-types lacking Focus Blast, such as Raikou and Mega Manectric. Greninja specifically can beat opposing Tyranitar and Azumarill with its coverage for Talonflame.

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I really don't like maranga berry honestly. To me it just seems like it's trying to make talon take on the world. And often times I think you're going to be switching around a lot with this, your opp is bound to switch out whatever you're using talon to take on, and thats whats good about this set is that it can keep switching into walls and such pretty consistently. So to me it feels like this item is gonna be useless against a lot of matchups against cress and p2, even against the water types that will just switch to something else when they see the spdef boost. Imo Lum is much better at doing the job this talon is supposed to do. Without lum you can't switch into walls like cress that safely cause of toxic. And taking on water-types just doesn't seem as worth it to me, i'd rather just use a teammate for those. And in the case that a teammate with setup or something is using lum, i'd still probably rather use like rocky helmet or leftovers. But yeah, ultimately I think it's better to use an item that focuses on what this set excels at, rather than an item that broadens talon's usage while making it generally worse at what it excels at.

Added the team options stuff tho. Thanks for the quick check.

 

[Psynergy]

Took a look at this real quick and I don't have anything to add, but to answer your question that's not much more Speed to outspeed Adamant Kangaskhan so I'd say to add the extra speed. Giving up 16 EVs from HP or SpD probably doesn't make too much of a difference but if you don't want to mess with the spread too much or if you can't do it without ruining important calcs, I'd definitely at least mention the option in Set Details. Otherwise I have nothing else to say, let's get this done before Friday!

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[NOVED]

Took a look at this real quick and I don't have anything to add, but to answer your question that's not much more Speed to outspeed Adamant Kangaskhan so I'd say to add the extra speed. Giving up 16 EVs from HP or SpD probably doesn't make too much of a difference but if you don't want to mess with the spread too much or if you can't do it without ruining important calcs, I'd definitely at least mention the option in Set Details. Otherwise I have nothing else to say, let's get this done before Friday!

2/3

Thanks, implemented this & gonna write it up asap.

 

[NOVED]

Okay this is written up and ready for the last check!

Theorymon cant say Hulavuta Demantoid DragonWhale

btw sorry if you guys dont like getting tagged, i just wanna make sure this is seen since we are so close to SM

 

[DragonWhale]

Looks good QC 3/3

 

[Nix_Hex]

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Roost
item: Lum Berry
ability: Gale Wings
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 44 Def / 172 SpD / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Brave Bird is Talonflame's strongest Flying-type STAB to take advantage of Gale Wings. It will mainly be using Brave Bird to revenge kill weakened Pokemon or finish off foes off after stalling burn damage. Will-O-Wisp is great for wearing down Pokemon down and hindering physical attackers. Taunt stops defensive Pokemon from using recovery or going for using Toxic on Talonflame. Roost allows Talonflame to stall Pokemon out alongside burn damage, and thanks to Gale Wings,(AC) it can Roost on faster offensive Pokemon as well.

Set Details
========

The HP and Defense EVs allow Talonflame to avoid being KOed by a combination of Rock Tomb and Mach Punch from a burned Breloom so you can beat Focus Sash variants. 52 Speed EVs are used to outspeed up to Adamant maximum Speed Mega Kangaskhan, and the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Defense. A Careful nature with a lot of Special Defense investment is used to take on common special attacking walls such as Cresselia and Porygon2. The Special Defense is also helpful to take on some common offensive special attackers such as Mega Gengar and Sylveon. Lum Berry allows Talonflame to switch into defensive Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Chansey, and avoid getting poisoned by Toxic. It also helps to avoid getting put to sleep by Breloom and Mega Venusaur. Gale Wings allows Talonflame to revenge kill weakened Pokemon with Brave Bird, or use priority Roost to stall out faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Mega Gengar.

Usage Tips
========

This set should be played defensively, slowly wearing down Pokemon down until they get in range of a KO from Brave Bird. Bring Talonflame in against defensive Pokemon,(RC) such as Cresselia, Porygon2, Ferrothorn, and Mega Venusaur, and wear them down with Will-O-Wisp and Taunt to limit their recovery. Taking these bulky Pokemon out or weakening them can pave the way for Talonflame's more offensive teammates to win the game. After Talonflame's Lum Berry is used, be careful switching directly into defensive Pokemon because Toxic can be crucial for is detrimental to this set. Once you have Pokemon such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn burned and Taunted, you can safely spam Will-O-Wisp to catch switch-ins. Since they will be doing very little damage to you,(AC) Roosting every turn isn't necessary,(AC) so you can Roost only when needed and use Will-O-Wisp on other turns. This set is mainly used as a stallbreaker, but thanks to Gale Wings it's very flexible. It can also be used against offensive teams as a check to Pokemon such as Mega Gengar, Aegislash, Blaziken, and Volcarona. Priority Brave Bird can pick up revenge kills on many weakened Pokemon on offensive teams, and Will-O-Wisp is very useful against teams with a lot of strong physical attackers, such as Mega Kangaskhan and Garchomp.

Team Options
========

Talonflame works very well with many physical attackers,(RC) such as Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Mawile, Tyranitar, Garchomp, and Mamoswine, as it is able to weaken and take care of many physical walls such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn and switch-in switch in to Will-O-Wisp for them. In turn, many of these physical attackers are able to deal with Thundurus and other Electric-types for Talonflame. Mega Gengar likes taking advantage of the burns Talonflame spreads with Hex. Suicune and Rotom-W like having Talonflame around as a check to Grass-types. Suicune and defensive Rotom-W variants can deal with Garchomp for Talonflame. Rotom-W can also take out bulky Water-types, such as Suicune, and also use Volt Switch to get Talonflame in safely against opposing Pokemon, so Talonflame doesn't need to risk switching directly in and risk fear taking an incoming Toxic or Sleep move.

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[NOVED]

NOVED
GP 1/2

Implemented all this. Thanks a lot for all the checks the past few days!

 

[Lumari]

remove add / fix (comments); (AC=add comma; RC=remove comma; SC=semicolon)
GP 2/2

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[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Roost
item: Lum Berry
ability: Gale Wings
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 44 Def / 172 SpD / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Brave Bird is Talonflame's strongest Flying-type STAB move to take advantage of Gale Wings. It will mainly be using Brave Bird used to revenge kill weakened Pokemon or finish off foes after stalling burn damage. Will-O-Wisp is great for wearing down Pokemon and hindering physical attackers. Taunt stops defensive Pokemon from using recovery or using Toxic on Talonflame. Roost allows Talonflame to stall Pokemon alongside burn damage, and thanks to Gale Wings, it can Roost on faster offensive Pokemon as well.

Set Details
========

The HP and Defense EVs allow Talonflame to avoid being KOed by a combination of Rock Tomb and Mach Punch from a burned Breloom so you can beat Focus Sash variants. 52 Speed EVs are used to outspeed up to Adamant maximum Speed Mega Kangaskhan, and the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Defense. A Careful nature with a lot of Special Defense investment is used to take on common special attacking walls such as Cresselia and Porygon2. The Special Defense is also helpful to take on some common offensive special attackers such as Mega Gengar and Sylveon. Lum Berry allows Talonflame to switch into defensive Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Chansey, and avoid getting poisoned by Toxic. It also helps to avoid getting put to sleep by Breloom and Mega Venusaur. Gale Wings allows Talonflame to revenge kill weakened Pokemon with Brave Bird (RC) or use priority Roost to stall out faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Mega Gengar.

Usage Tips
========

This set should be played defensively, slowly wearing down Pokemon until they get in range of a KO from Brave Bird. Bring Talonflame in against defensive Pokemon such as Cresselia, Porygon2, Ferrothorn, and Mega Venusaur, and wear them down with Will-O-Wisp and Taunt to limit their recovery. Taking these bulky Pokemon out or weakening them can pave the way for Talonflame's more offensive teammates to win the game. After Talonflame's Lum Berry is used, be careful switching directly into defensive Pokemon because Toxic is detrimental to this set. Once you have Pokemon such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn burned and Taunted, you can safely spam Will-O-Wisp to catch switch-ins. Since they will be doing very little damage to you Talonflame, Roosting every turn isn't necessary, so you can Roost only when needed and use Will-O-Wisp on other turns. This set is mainly used as a stallbreaker, but thanks to Gale Wings it's very flexible. It can also be used against offensive teams as a check to Pokemon such as Mega Gengar, Aegislash, Blaziken, and Volcarona. Priority Brave Bird can pick up revenge kills on many weakened Pokemon on offensive teams, and Will-O-Wisp is very useful against teams with a lot of strong physical attackers, such as Mega Kangaskhan and Garchomp.

Team Options
========

Talonflame works very well with many physical attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Mawile, Tyranitar, Garchomp, and Mamoswine, as it is able to weaken and take care of many physical walls such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn and switch in to into Will-O-Wisp for them. In turn, many of these physical attackers are able to deal with Thundurus and other Electric-types for Talonflame. Mega Gengar likes taking advantage of the burns Talonflame spreads with Hex. Suicune and Rotom-W like having Talonflame around as a check to Grass-types. Suicune and defensive Rotom-W variants can deal with Garchomp for Talonflame. Rotom-W can also take out bulky Water-types, such as Suicune, and also use Volt Switch to get Talonflame in safely against opposing Pokemon (RC) so Talonflame doesn't need to risk switching directly in and fear taking an incoming Toxic or Sleep move.

 

[NOVED]

remove add / fix (comments); (AC=add comma; RC=remove comma; SC=semicolon)
GP 2/2

check

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Roost
item: Lum Berry
ability: Gale Wings
nature: Careful
evs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 44 Def / 172 SpD / 52 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Brave Bird is Talonflame's strongest Flying-type STAB move to take advantage of Gale Wings. It will mainly be using Brave Bird used to revenge kill weakened Pokemon or finish off foes after stalling burn damage. Will-O-Wisp is great for wearing down Pokemon and hindering physical attackers. Taunt stops defensive Pokemon from using recovery or using Toxic on Talonflame. Roost allows Talonflame to stall Pokemon alongside burn damage, and thanks to Gale Wings, it can Roost on faster offensive Pokemon as well.

Set Details
========

The HP and Defense EVs allow Talonflame to avoid being KOed by a combination of Rock Tomb and Mach Punch from a burned Breloom so you can beat Focus Sash variants. 52 Speed EVs are used to outspeed up to Adamant maximum Speed Mega Kangaskhan, and the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Defense. A Careful nature with a lot of Special Defense investment is used to take on common special attacking walls such as Cresselia and Porygon2. The Special Defense is also helpful to take on some common offensive special attackers such as Mega Gengar and Sylveon. Lum Berry allows Talonflame to switch into defensive Pokemon, such as Cresselia and Chansey, and avoid getting poisoned by Toxic. It also helps to avoid getting put to sleep by Breloom and Mega Venusaur. Gale Wings allows Talonflame to revenge kill weakened Pokemon with Brave Bird (RC) or use priority Roost to stall out faster Pokemon, such as Latios and Mega Gengar.

Usage Tips
========

This set should be played defensively, slowly wearing down Pokemon until they get in range of a KO from Brave Bird. Bring Talonflame in against defensive Pokemon such as Cresselia, Porygon2, Ferrothorn, and Mega Venusaur, and wear them down with Will-O-Wisp and Taunt to limit their recovery. Taking these bulky Pokemon out or weakening them can pave the way for Talonflame's more offensive teammates to win the game. After Talonflame's Lum Berry is used, be careful switching directly into defensive Pokemon because Toxic is detrimental to this set. Once you have Pokemon such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn burned and Taunted, you can safely spam Will-O-Wisp to catch switch-ins. Since they will be doing very little damage to you Talonflame, Roosting every turn isn't necessary, so you can Roost only when needed and use Will-O-Wisp on other turns. This set is mainly used as a stallbreaker, but thanks to Gale Wings it's very flexible. It can also be used against offensive teams as a check to Pokemon such as Mega Gengar, Aegislash, Blaziken, and Volcarona. Priority Brave Bird can pick up revenge kills on many weakened Pokemon on offensive teams, and Will-O-Wisp is very useful against teams with a lot of strong physical attackers, such as Mega Kangaskhan and Garchomp.

Team Options
========

Talonflame works very well with many physical attackers such as Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Mawile, Tyranitar, Garchomp, and Mamoswine, as it is able to weaken and take care of many physical walls such as Cresselia and Ferrothorn and switch in to into Will-O-Wisp for them. In turn, many of these physical attackers are able to deal with Thundurus and other Electric-types for Talonflame. Mega Gengar likes taking advantage of the burns Talonflame spreads with Hex. Suicune and Rotom-W like having Talonflame around as a check to Grass-types. Suicune and defensive Rotom-W variants can deal with Garchomp for Talonflame. Rotom-W can also take out bulky Water-types, such as Suicune, and also use Volt Switch to get Talonflame in safely against opposing Pokemon (RC) so Talonflame doesn't need to risk switching directly in and fear taking an incoming Toxic or Sleep move.

Thanks! Implemented all this

Hulavuta cant say this is ready

 

[Hulavuta]

lol

 

[NOVED]

lol

whats that supposed to mean

e @ below: tru

 

[Hulavuta]

That was quick.