Starmie (Bulky Rapid Spin Revamp)

[Tokyo Tom]

GP [1/2] - The Dutch Plumberjack / P Squared

[SET]
name: Bulky Rapid Spin
move 1: Rapid Spin
move 2: Recover
move 3: Scald
move 4: Psyshock / Toxic / Ice Beam
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 4 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Starmie has a big niche in OU as both the fastest spinner and the only one with access to reliable recovery. This set makes the most of both qualities, allowing Starmie to be a reliable team supporter with enough Speed to check a variety of threats with its good movepool and typing. Rapid Spin and Recover are a given on this Starmie set, allowing it to keep its side of the field free of entry hazards while having decent longevity. Scald is Starmie's main form of offense, and the burn chance allows it to threaten Pokemon that would otherwise use it as setup fodder, such as Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Gyarados.</p>

<p>There are several options that Starmie can use in its fourth moveslot. Psyshock allows Starmie to handle Fighting-types such as Keldeo, Terrakion, and Breloom, as well as OHKO Gengar and prevent it from spinblocking Starmie. It also deals a lot of damage to Venusaur, which could otherwise switch into and freely set up against Starmie. Toxic is another solid option, as many of Starmie's common switch-ins, such as Jellicent, Gastrodon, Calm Mind Latias, Ninetales, and bulky Tyranitar, hate being poisoned. Toxic also allows Starmie to outstall Chansey, Blissey, specially defensive Celebi, and opposing Starmie in a one-on-one situation. Finally, Ice Beam is a solid option that allows Starmie to threaten powerful offensive threats it outspeeds such as Thundurus-T, Dragonite, Garchomp, Tornadus, and Nasty Plot Celebi. However, it is important to keep in mind that forgoing Psyshock will prevent Starmie from checking Keldeo.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Starmie's HP is maximized, which is necessary for a bulky set, because Starmie has a naturally low base HP stat. 32 Defense EVs are used to avoid the OHKO from Choice Band Terrakion's Stone Edge and Ferrothorn's Power Whip, the latter meaning that Starmie can outstall a burned Ferrothorn in a one-on-one situation. The Speed investment allows Starmie to outspeed all Pokemon up to Tornadus, which includes key targets such as Gengar and Keldeo. Finally, 4 EVs go to Special Attack in order to guarantee the OHKO on uninvested Gengar with Psyshock.</p>

<p>As for other move options, Thunder is an option in Starmie's fourth slot on rain teams because it does good damage to Gyarados and opposing Starmie while retaining coverage on Keldeo. It also allows Starmie to deal meaningful damage to Jellicent. However, bulky Starmie is typically outclassed on rain teams, defensively by Tentacruel and offensively by its own offensive sets, as both are more reliable at removing opposing spinblockers and fulfill additional defensive or offensive roles under rain. Reflect Type allows Starmie to comfortably spin on its usual switch-ins, Ferrothorn and Tyranitar, as well as check Pokemon such as Scizor and Amoonguss. However, it has little application beyond those Pokemon and leaves Starmie unable to threaten other important Pokemon such as Keldeo and Gengar.</p>

<p>Hard-hitting Dark-types such as Hydreigon and Tyranitar are great partners for Starmie. The former can remove Pokemon that prevent Starmie from doing its job, such as Ferrothorn and Jellicent, while the latter can beat Latios, Latias, and Celebi, which usually see bulky Starmie as setup fodder. In return, Starmie can check Fighting-types such as Keldeo and Terrakion. Ferrothorn is another good partner because of its great defensive synergy with Starmie and ability to take powerful hits from the likes of Latios, Latias, Tyranitar, Gyarados, offensive Starmie, and Kyurem-B, while Starmie can beat Fire- and Fighting-types in return. Finally, Poison Heal Breloom can beat Jellicent, Ferrothorn, and Tyranitar, all of which give bulky Starmie problems, and it appreciates having Spikes removed from its side of the field to stick around longer, as it does not have any reliable recovery.</p>

 

[Jirachee]

I think you're underestimating Ice Beam on bulky Starmie. Hitting the mons you mentioned is nice already, especially since they usually see Starmie as a free opportunity to come in. There's more though, as many Pokemon who will try to set up on Starmie, for example Thundurus-T and Nasty Plot Celebi are weak to Ice and will take a lot of damage from it (well, for the offensive NP Celebi set at least.) Bulky teams also usually like having an Ice type move on a fast Pokemon to revenge kill threats like Garchomp who just kill them otherwise, which is why you see stuff like Ice Beam ScarfTar running around. Starmie's natural Speed and average Special Attack allows it to do that, which is a nice perk.

I think you should also explain the implications of using Reflect Type Starmie, such as not being able to check Keldeo (especially CM variants), and being complete fodder for Poison Heal Breloom. The first one especially is very huge and means you can't just slap it on every team like the Psyshock variant.

You should also mention that this Starmie kinda blows on Rain teams because of Tentacruel but also because the offensive set is borderline unstoppable in rain

Maybe give Poison Heal Breloom a mention as a partner? It owns a lot of things that give this set trouble, like Jellicent, Ferrothorn, and Tyranitar, plus it loves having Spikes gone to stick around longer and fits the whole ~bulky sand~ atmosphere

Also Tyranitar itself is a great partner as this Starmie enjoys having Latis, Celebi and Ghosts removed!

Tokyo Tom :O

 

[Lumari]

remove
add (Capitalize)
(comments); (AC=add comma; RC=remove comma; SC=semicolon)

one of muh very favourites

GP [0/2] -

[SET]
name: Bulky Rapid Spin
move 1: Rapid Spin
move 2: Recover
move 3: Scald
move 4: Psyshock / Toxic / Ice Beam
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
EVs evs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 4 SpA / 224 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Starmie has a big niche in OU as both the fastest Rapid Spinner and also the only one with access to reliable recovery. This set makes the most of both qualities, allowing Starmie to be a reliable team supporter with enough Speed to check a variety of threats with its good movepool and typing. Rapid Spin and Recover are a given on this Starmie set, and allow allowing it to keep its side of the field free of hazards while having decent longevity. Scald is Starmie's main form of offense, and the burn chance allows it to threaten Pokemon that would otherwise use it as setup fodder, such as Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Gyarados.</p>

<p>There are several options that Starmie can use in its fourth moveslot. Psyshock allows Starmie to handle Fighting-types such as Keldeo, Terrakion, and Breloom, and also as well as to OHKO Gengar, preventing and prevent it from spinblocking Starmie. It also deals a lot of damage to Venusaur, a Pokemon who which could otherwise switch into and freely set up against Starmie. Toxic is another solid option, as many of Starmie's common switch-ins, such as Jellicent, Gastrodon, Calm Mind Latias, Ninetales, and bulky Tyranitar, (AC) hate being poisoned. Toxic also allows Starmie to outstall Chansey, Blissey, specially defensive Celebi, and opposing Starmie in a 1v1 one-on-one situation. Finally, Ice Beam is another solid option that allows Starmie to threaten powerful offensive threats it outspeeds such as Thundurus-T, Dragonite, Garchomp, Tornadus, and Nasty Plot Celebi. However, it is important to keep in mind that using Toxic or Ice Beam forgoing Psyshock (clarity) will prevent Starmie from checking Keldeo.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Starmie's HP is maximized, which is necessary for a bulky set, because Starmie has a naturally low base HP stat. 32 Defense EVs are used to avoid the OHKO from Choice Band Terrakion's Stone Edge and Ferrothorn's Power Whip, the latter meaning that Starmie can outstall a burned Ferrothorn in a 1v1 one-on-one situation. The Speed investment allows Starmie to outspeed all Pokemon up to Tornadus, which includes key targets such as Gengar and Keldeo. Finally, 4 EVs go to Special Attack in order to guarantee the OHKO on uninvested Gengar with Psyshock.</p>

<p>As for other move options, Thunder is an option in Starmie's fourth slot on rain teams because it does good damage to Gyarados and opposing Starmie (RC) while retaining coverage on Keldeo. It also allows Starmie to deal meaningful damage to Jellicent. However, bulky Starmie is typically outclassed on rain teams, defensively by Tentacruel, and offensively by the Offensive Starmie set its own offensive sets, (no cross-set referencing) as both are more reliable at removing opposing spin-blockers spinblockers and fulfill additional defensive or offensive roles. Reflect Type allows Starmie to comfortably spin on its usual switch-ins, Ferrothorn and Tyranitar (RC) and also allows it to as well as check Pokemon such as Scizor and Amoonguss. However, it has little application beyond those Pokemon (RC) and leaves Starmie unable to threaten other important Pokemon such as Keldeo or and Gengar.</p>

<p>Hard-hitting Dark-types such as Hydreigon and Tyranitar are great partners for Starmie. The former can remove Pokemon that hamper prevent Starmie from doing its job, such as Ferrothorn and Jellicent, while the latter can beat Latios, Latias, and Celebi, Pokemon that which usually see bulky Starmie as set up setup fodder. In return, Starmie can check Fighting-types such as Keldeo and Terrakion. Ferrothorn is also a another good partner, having because of its great defensive synergy with Starmie, as well as being able and ability to take powerful hits from the likes of Latios, Latias, Tyranitar, Gyarados, offensive Starmie, and Kyurem-B, while Starmie can beat Fire- and Fighting-types in return. Finally, Poison Heal Breloom can beat Jellicent, Ferrothorn, and Tyranitar, all Pokemon that of which give bulky Starmie problems, and appreciates having Spikes removed from its side of the field to stick around longer, as it does not have any reliable recovery.</p>

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[P Squared]

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basically i did nothing >__> The Dutch Plumberjack is strong indeed

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[SET]
name: Bulky Rapid Spin
move 1: Rapid Spin
move 2: Recover
move 3: Scald
move 4: Psyshock / Toxic / Ice Beam
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 4 SpA / 224 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Starmie has a big niche in OU as both the fastest Rapid Spinner and the only one with access to reliable recovery. This set makes the most of both qualities, allowing Starmie to be a reliable team supporter with enough Speed to check a variety of threats with its good movepool and typing. Rapid Spin and Recover are a given on this Starmie set, allowing it to keep its side of the field free of entry hazards while having decent longevity. Scald is Starmie's main form of offense, and the burn chance allows it to threaten Pokemon that would otherwise use it as setup fodder, such as Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Gyarados.</p>

<p>There are several options that Starmie can use in its fourth moveslot. Psyshock allows Starmie to handle Fighting-types such as Keldeo, Terrakion, and Breloom, as well as to OHKO Gengar and prevent it from spinblocking Starmie. It also deals a lot of damage to Venusaur, which could otherwise switch into and freely set up against Starmie. Toxic is another solid option, as many of Starmie's common switch-ins, such as Jellicent, Gastrodon, Calm Mind Latias, Ninetales, and bulky Tyranitar, hate being poisoned. Toxic also allows Starmie to outstall Chansey, Blissey, specially defensive Celebi, and opposing Starmie in a one-on-one situation. Finally, Ice Beam is a solid option that allows Starmie to threaten powerful offensive threats it outspeeds such as Thundurus-T, Dragonite, Garchomp, Tornadus, and Nasty Plot Celebi. However, it is important to keep in mind that forgoing Psyshock will prevent Starmie from checking Keldeo.</p>


[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Starmie's HP is maximized, which is necessary for a bulky set, because Starmie has a naturally low base HP stat. 32 Defense EVs are used to avoid the OHKO from Choice Band Terrakion's Stone Edge and Ferrothorn's Power Whip, the latter meaning that Starmie can outstall a burned Ferrothorn in a one-on-one situation. The Speed investment allows Starmie to outspeed all Pokemon up to Tornadus, which includes key targets such as Gengar and Keldeo. Finally, 4 EVs go to Special Attack in order to guarantee the OHKO on uninvested Gengar with Psyshock.</p>

<p>As for other move options, Thunder is an option in Starmie's fourth slot on rain teams because it does good damage to Gyarados and opposing Starmie while retaining coverage on Keldeo. It also allows Starmie to deal meaningful damage to Jellicent. However, bulky Starmie is typically outclassed on rain teams, defensively by Tentacruel, (remove comma) and offensively by its own offensive sets, as both are more reliable at removing opposing spinblockers and fulfill additional defensive or offensive roles under rain. Reflect Type allows Starmie to comfortably spin on its usual switch-ins, Ferrothorn and Tyranitar, as well as check Pokemon such as Scizor and Amoonguss. However, it has little application beyond those Pokemon and leaves Starmie unable to threaten other important Pokemon such as Keldeo and Gengar.</p>

<p>Hard-hitting Dark-types such as Hydreigon and Tyranitar are great partners for Starmie. The former can remove Pokemon that prevent Starmie from doing its job, such as Ferrothorn and Jellicent, while the latter can beat Latios, Latias, and Celebi, which usually see bulky Starmie as setup fodder. In return, Starmie can check Fighting-types such as Keldeo and Terrakion. Ferrothorn is another good partner because of its great defensive synergy with Starmie and ability to take powerful hits from the likes of Latios, Latias, Tyranitar, Gyarados, offensive Starmie, and Kyurem-B, while Starmie can beat Fire- and Fighting-types in return. Finally, Poison Heal Breloom can beat Jellicent, Ferrothorn, and Tyranitar, all of which give bulky Starmie problems, and appreciates having Spikes removed from its side of the field to stick around longer, as it does not have any reliable recovery.</p>

 

[Oglemi]

good job tokyo

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