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Suicune

Discussion in 'Global Battle Union' started by cosmicexplorer, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. cosmicexplorer

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    Suicune
    HP: 100
    Atk: 75
    Def: 115
    SpA: 90
    SpD: 115
    Spe: 85​

    Singles Sets
    Suicune @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, Spd)
    - Sheer Cold
    - Scald
    - Rest / Double Team
    - Sleep Talk / Substitute / Rest
    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3758046&postcount=7
    • This set is meant to stall as long as possible, and Suicune's bulk and typing gives it a unique niche in singles play.

    Doubles/Triples Sets
    Suicune @ Water Gem / Sitrus Berry
    252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    nature: Modest
    ability: Pressure
    - Surf / Hydro Pump
    - Tailwind
    - Ice Beam / Hidden Power Electric
    - Protect / Hidden Power Electric
    • Suicune is very useful as a bulky Tailwind user, with its excellent bulk and typing. Surf and Ice Beam allow it to become somewhat of an offensive threat, and Hidden Power Electric hits opposing Water-types for super effective damage. Hydro Pump doesn't do spread damage and its accuracy leaves something to be wanted, but it's far more powerful than Surf.
    • Water Gem makes Surf quite powerful, and with rain support, Suicune can be a reasonably powerful attacker. However, a Sitrus Berry greatly increases Suicune's longevity, and as such makes a good item choice as well.
    • Icy Wind does usable damage, slows down the opponent until they switch out, and while it doesn't boost your entire team, it is not stopped by Taunt, unlike Tailwind, and makes a usable attack for that reason.
    • Suicune makes an excellent partner for Abomasnow with its resistance to Water-type attacks and huge bulk, and with Hail, it can remove rain from a Politoed switch in and spam Blizzard.
  2. Solace

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    i claim full credit for the creation of tailwind suicune

    everything looks fine, maybe a regular rain with no tailwind set would work as well

    its pretty much dead weight in gbu singles, so doubles/triples sets are the way to go

    keep up the good work!
  3. Ashenlock

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    Don't forget to mention Icy Wind as an option, it's very useful on Suicune. Also you forgot the Atk stat.

    Although I'm not recommending this as a useful set since it's a gimmick, I have used this suicune before:

    Suicune
    RELAXED
    +Pressure+
    252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    -Psych Up
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Waterfall
    -Protect

    I never actually used it in the GBU, though I built a team for it and Entei. It worked fairly well on one of the PO servers, but not as well on the Smogon one. The premise was Belly Drum + Psych Up, then sweep. Still very much a gimmick, but I'm fond of it.
  4. soul_survivor

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    Hydro pump should be slashed in with surf. Not every uses water resistant partners, and a gemed pump is waaaaay more powerful, than surf. Also note, Suicune can work in a hail team, giving abama enough speed to outrun and damage many with blizzard. Also Abama has pretty good synergy with cune.
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    just don't think this is viable enough to be worth it. i see it as very high risk, with not much reward. although it might've worked on po a few times, i feel like it's not worth the set up as you could potentially be out of 2 pokemon if the gimmick fails, which is just too steep a cost.
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    Hydro Pump is now slashed because it really is quite powerful.

    As for a straight up rain attacker, while Suicune certainly can play such a role, it's really outclassed by Kingdra and Ludicolo. While neither of them have Suicune's bulk, they both have better movepools, attacking stats, and typings, meaning that Suicune is pretty much 100% outclassed outside of Tailwind. In addition, Suicune pretty much has all of its attacking options already listed, so there wouldn't really be too much of a difference between the listed and a full-on attacking set.

    Hail teams have issues with Steel-types, and while Suicune can hit Metagross and co. reasonably hard with its Water-type STAB, a partner such as Chandelure is more suited for the role by using Trick Room and with access to Heat Wave. Suicune isn't really the best partner for Abomasnow.

    EDIT: With Hail, though, it's an excellent way to maintain the weather and allow Suicune to spam Blizzard, so added.
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    For Singles:

    Suicune @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, Spd)
    - Sheer Cold
    - Scald
    - Rest / Double Team
    - Sleep Talk / Substitute / Rest

    I think I'd like to use this opportunity to post away one of the most frustrating Suicune sets out there. With immense bulk, Suicune can get a lot of opportunities to fire off Sheer Colds, and Rest/Sleep Talk just makes it live even longer and somewhat fix Sheer Cold's PP issue. Double Team and Substitute is another approach to adding up the pain, and combined with Scald's burn...well, have fun.
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    Umm....I'm pretty sure that only the Movie Suicune can use Tailwind....and you're listing it with Modest.
  9. Ashenlock

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    Suicune learns Tailwind as a level up move.

    Also, I didn't mean to recommend Psych Up-Suicune, only bring it up as a set that HAS been used, whether or not it was used well.
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    It learns Tailwind at Level 57.

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