Summer Freedom IV Preliminary List

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A little background, a little explanation, a little looking forward is in order. The Summer Freedom tournaments are tournaments of the UU metagame, held once annually when I get out of school. The tournament is double elimination, with an average round length of one week. With a 64 person tournament, this means that the tournament lasts the entirety of the summer. Double elimination allows slightly unusual signup numbers, so I'm not holding the tournament to a specific size yet. I am most likely going to spend the month of june in China again. Therefore, the first round, which is ridiculously huge, will be held while I am away. Unless this thing gets ridiculously big, it should be over by the end of summer.

Team Rules:
-5 UU
-1 Borderline

You may choose to have all 6 of your pokemon be from the UU category if you so choose.

Battle Rules:
-Allow Spectators (a must)
-PP Ups
-Sleep Clause
-Freeze Clause
-Battle Timeout
-Self-KO Clause

Here is my ideal list. I like to overclause stuff, most people who are playing don't. The list is not up for voting yet, simply nominate a pokemon if you think it should be changed. I don't want ten million "seconded" posts, simply suggest pokemon if you think their status should be changed. Actual voting will be open later.

3. Venusaur – BL
6. Charizard - BL
9. Blastoise - UU
12. Butterfree - UU
15. Beedrill - UU
18. Pidgeot - UU
20. Raticate - UU
22. Fearow - UU
24. Arbok - UU
26. Raichu - UU
28. Sandslash - UU
31. Nidoqueen - UU
34. Nidoking - UU
36. Clefable - UU
38. Ninetales - UU
40. Wigglytuff - UU
45. Vileplume - UU
47. Parasect - UU
49. Venomoth - UU
51. Dugtrio - OU
53. Persian - UU
55. Golduck - UU
57. Primeape - UU
59. Arcanine - BL
62. Poliwrath - UU
65. Alakazam - OU
68. Machamp - UU
71. Victreebell - UU
73. Tentacruel - UU
76. Golem - BL
78. Rapidash - UU
80. Slowbro - BL
82. Magneton - BL
83. Farfectch'd - UU
85. Dodrio - OU
87. Dewgong - UU
89. Muk - UU
91. Cloyster - UU
94. Gengar - OU
97. Hypno – BL
99. Kingler - UU
101. Electrode - UU
103. Exeggutor - OU
105. Marowak - OU
106. Hitmonlee - UU
107. Hitmonchan - UU
108. Lickitung - UU
110. Weezing - OU
112. Rhydon - BL
113. Chansey - BL
114. Tangela - UU
115. Kangaskhan - UU
119. Seaking - UU
121. Starmie - OU
122. Mr. Mime - OU
123. Scyther - BL
124. Jynx - BL
125. Electabuzz - UU
126. Magmar - UU
127. Pinsir - UU
128. Tauros - OU
130. Gyarados - OU
131. Lapras - OU
132. Ditto - UU
134. Vaporeon - OU
135. Jolteon - OU
136. Flareon - UU
139. Omaster - UU
141. Kabutops - UU
142. Aerodactyl - OU
143. Snorlax - OU
144. Articuno - OU
145. Zapdos - OU
146. Moltres - OU
149. Dragonite - OU
150. Mewtwo - OU
151. Mew - OU
154. Meganium - UU
157. Typhlosion - BL
160. Feraligatr - UU
162. Furret - UU
164. Noctowl - UU
166. Ledian - UU
168. Ariados - UU
169. Crobat - OU
171. Lanturn - BL
176. Togetic - UU
178. Xatu - UU
181. Ampharos - UU
182. Bellossom - UU
184. Azumarill - UU
185. Sudowoodo- UU
186. Politoed - UU
189. Jumpluff - UU
190. Aipom - UU
192. Sunflora - UU
193. Yanma - UU
195. Quagsire - UU
196. Espeon - BL
197. Umbreon - OU
198. Murkrow - UU
199. Slowking - BL
200. Misdreavus - UU
201. Unown - UU
202. Wobbufet - OU
203. Girafarig - UU
205. Forretress - BL
206. Dunsparce - UU
207. Gligar - BL
208. Steelix - BL
209. Snubbull - UU
210. Granbull - UU
211. qwilfish - UU
212. Scizor - BL
213. Shuckle - UU
214. Heracross - OU
215. Sneasel - UU
217. Ursaring – BL
219. Magargo - UU
221. Piloswine - UU
222. Corsola - UU
224. Octillery - UU
225. Delibird - UU
226. Mantine - UU
227. Skarmory - OU
229. Houndoom - OU
230. Kingdra - OU
232. Donphan - OU
233. Porygon2 - OU
234. Stantler - UU
235. Smeargle - OU
237. Hitmontop - UU
241. Miltank - BL
242. Blissey - OU
243. Raikou - OU
244. Entei - OU
245. Suicune - OU
248. Tyranitar - OU
249. Lugia - OU
250. Ho-oh - OU
251. Celebi - OU
254. Sceptile - OU
257. Blaziken - OU
260. Swampert - OU
262. Mightyena - UU
264. Linoon - UU
267. Beautifly - UU
269. Dustox - UU
272. Ludicolo - OU
275. Shiftry - UU
277. Swellow - UU
279. Pelipper - UU
282. Gardevoir - BL
284. Masquerain - UU
286. Breloom - OU
289. Slaking - OU
291. Ninjask - OU
292. Shedinja - BL
295. Exploud - UU
297. Hariyama - UU
299. Nosepass - UU
301. Delcatty - UU
302. Sableye - UU
303. Mawile - UU
306. Aggron - UU
308. Medicham - OU
310. Manectric - UU
311. Plusle - UU
312. Minum - UU
313. Volbeat - UU
314. Illumise - UU
315. Roselia - UU
317. Swalot - UU
319. Sharpedo - UU
321. Wailord - UU
323. Camerupt - UU
324. Torkoal - UU
326. Grumpig - UU
327. Spinda - UU
330. Flygon - OU
332. Cacturne - UU
334. Altaria - UU
335. Zangoose - BL
336. Seviper - UU
337. Lunatone - BL
338. Solrock - UU
340. Whiscash - UU
342. Crawdaunt - UU
344. Claydol – OU
346. Cradily - BL
348. Armaldo - BL
350. Milotic – OU
351. Castform - UU
352. Kecleon - UU
354. Banette - UU
356. Dusclops - OU
357. Tropius - UU
358. Chimeco - UU
359. Absol - UU
360. Wynaut - UU
362. Glalie - UU
365. Walrein - BL
367. Huntail - UU
368. Gorebyss - UU
369. Relicanth - UU
370. Luvdisc - UU
373. Salamence - OU
376. Metagross - OU
377. Regirock - OU
378. Regice - OU
379. Registeel - OU
380. Latias - OU
381. Latios - OU
382. Kygore - OU
383. Groudon - OU
384. Rayquaza - OU
385. Jirachi - OU
386. Deoxys - OU

Changes from last year's list:

Hypno: UU to Borderline
Golem: UU to Borderline
Mr. Mime: UU to OU
Omaster: Borderline to UU
Dragonite: Borderline to OU
Typhlosion: UU to Borderline
Scizor: UU to Borderline
Medicham: Borderline to OU
Flygon: Borderline to OU
Zangoose: OU to Borderline
Walrein: OU to Borderline
Gligar: UU to Borderline

I am aware this is not pokerealms list. I am aware this is not smogon's list. This is my list.

This topic is not for signups.

About the bitching: It is expected. Please keep in mind, however, there are two factors that go into deciding whether a pokemon is UU or not:

1) How often it is used
2) Whether it is unsuitable for UU play


Current suggestions:

Arcanine: BL to UU
Chansey: BL to OU
Charizard: BL to OU
Cloyster: UU to BL
Crobat: OU to BL
Espeon: BL to OU
Exeggutor: BL to OU
Forretress: BL to OU
Gligar: BL to UU
Gardevoir: BL to OU
Granbull: UU to BL
Golem: BL to UU
Hariyama: UU to BL
Houndoom: OU to BL
Jumpluff: UU to BL
Jynx: BL to OU
Lanturn: BL to UU
Lapras: OU to BL
Ludicolo: OU to BL
Lunatone: BL to UU
Machamp: UU to BL
Magneton: BL to OU
Meganium: UU to BL
Miltank: BL to OU
Mr. Mime: OU to BL
Omastar: UU to BL
Pinsir: UU to BL
Porygon2: OU to BL
Rhydon: BL to OU
Scyther: BL to UU
Shedinja: BL to UU
Slowking: BL to UU
Steelix: BL to OU
Swellow: UU to BL
Ursaring: BL to OU
Venusaur: BL to OU
Walrein: BL to UU

Marowak will not be changed, due to the fact that I don't want to start clausing items or moves. While marowak without thick club is indeed UU, that's a recipe for confusion. See Vineon, sandslash, SF#1.
 
i don't agree with venusaur or charizard but i doubt anyone will agree with me
espeon has no place in an uu tourney imo, too fast/strong (so shush jump before you even start)
if rhydon is bl golem is uu or if golem is bl rhydon is ou
scyther isn't bl scizor is
if ursaring is bl machamp is too


apart from that good list lol
 

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Chansey as bl is really :[. Its stats are just a little shittier than blissey and it can wall the fuck out of all the manectrics/electabuzzes etc.

edit: rhydon and zard for ou, cloyster and machamp for bl imo
 

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Here are my suggestions. I haven't looked at the current ones yet.

NNEM said:
3. Venusaur – BL - OU
6. Charizard - BL - OU
68. Machamp - UU - BL
76. Golem - BL - UU
82. Magneton - BL - OU
112. Rhydon - BL - OU. God, this thing fucking dominates UU :/
113. Chansey - BL - OU. This thing has pretty much the same stats as Blissey
122. Mr. Mime - OU - UU/BL
123. Scyther - BL - UU
189. Jumpluff - UU - BL
196. Espeon - BL - Not sure, I think this could be moved to OU, Espy has great Speed and Special Attack
199. Slowking - BL - UU, it's not as good as its counterpart.
205. Forretress - BL - OU :(
207. Gligar - BL - This thing doesn't have that much Attack, so I think it could be moved down.
208. Steelix - BL - Ugh, I hate this guy with a passion when I see him in UU, He is a fucking monster, he is a buffed up Golem. I want him OU :/
277. Swellow - BL - This thing has a lot going for him.
337. Lunatone - BL - UU
 
Magneton can be UU-BL-OU, it doesn't really matter, there is no Skarm/Metagross and Magneton is completely outclassed by Amapharos/Lanturn. Only thing it has going for it IMO, is MS.
 

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Magneton has the potential to be a really good normal resists considering there is no dugtrio around that can trap it. Considering how common normal cbers are in uu, it could switch in and deal a strong hit to whatever switches into it
 
Magneton is a decent Flying/Normal resist with a STAB Thunderbolt coming from 125 base satk (iirc), with Toxic and Sub it can wear anything that could wall it down, other than probably Grumpig which can avoid it with Sub, but you can be faster most of the time.

EDIT: Also it could trap and kill weak Steelixes with HP Water/Fire lol
 
If you are having this tournament at smogon you should just use the Smogon Tiers. That is what most people are accustomed to using, why change it?
 
My thoughts

NNEM said:
68. Machamp - UU -> BL - Just a little too good to be simply UU
76. Golem - BL -> UU Outclassed by Rhydon everywhere except Explosion, and not really that great anyway
112. Rhydon - BL -> OU Stats and movepool far exceeding UU
113. Chansey - BL -> OU Mini-Blissey? No thanks.
122. Mr. Mime - OU -> BL Not really sure about this, but I think it should be BL anyway
123. Scyther - BL -> UU Not that useful compared to others
139. Omaster - UU -> BL - Saw this guy everywhere last year, nearly impossible to wall if it gets a turn to itself
169. Crobat - OU -> BL It's not really that hard to wall, as Raikou mentioned
196. Espeon - BL -> OU Too much SpAtk and Speed for UU
207. Gligar - BL -> UU Like Mr. Mime, just my opinion
208. Steelix - BL -> OU Too good, period
277. Swellow - UU -> BL - It's fast, hits hard, normal STAB and Guts? BL, please
 

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Justin, since the SF has always used one borderline, the most important part is editing the tier list specifically for this tournament. Our borderlines are used for a different purpose i guess. since regular uu rules do not allow borderlines, it has to be changed around a tidbit to fit an uu metagame where one borderline is allowed. although i do agree that the base could've been taken from our tier list.
 
Shedinja, BL to UU. Give that poor guy a chance, he is nice, yes, but you need to be careful as hell to play him, and UU is full of surprises. He's not on the level of other BLs.
Omastar, UU to BL. Omastar has Normal resist and fucks things up like no other once Mantine/Quagsire are gone seeing Lanturn is BL. Plus there's still Gorebyss.
Oh yeah, also everybody's favorite tournament is starting X)
 
Shedi is a bitch and turns tides to well in UU games for me to give it a 2nd chance. Its one pokemon you're guarantteed to atleast wall 1-2 pokemon and possibly more and that is just another + on stall teams.

I havent checked over the entire list yet but Im agreeing with the few statements saying that Ursaring and Champ should be paired together where ever they go, same with Hariyama because he isnt far behind. Ill check over more of the list later and 2nd or add more to possible changes.
 
NNEM said:
6. Charizard - BL Make it OU
68. Machamp - UU Should be BL
76. Golem - BL UU for sure
82. Magneton - BL One of the most used pokemon should be in overused I think (ok sure his main purpose is gone but he still has a disgustingly high special attack that would destroy UU)
91. Cloyster - UU BL for sure
105. Marowak - OU Make it UU maybe if it doesn't have thick club?
112. Rhydon - BL What the hell... DEFINATELY OU
113. Chansey - BL Make this bitch OU she ruined SF2 as she is BARELY worse than Blissey
123. Scyther - BL UU for sure
124. Jynx - BL Maybe OU... I mean if Mr Mime is OU, Jynx is better by a mile. If not make Mr Mime BL as well or even UU.
131. Lapras - OU Make is BL plz!
139. Omaster - UU Borderlineeeee
154. Meganium - UU Please Borderline simply because I hate this thing more than I hate Arrowz (a lot)
157. Typhlosion - BL :( but I agree
169. Crobat - OU I think BL
171. Lanturn - BL Maybe UU
189. Jumpluff - UU BL for sure
196. Espeon - BL Make it OU (sorry Jump)
199. Slowking - BL This thing SUCKS donkey Penis make it UU
205. Forretress - BL OU for sure
207. Gligar - BL UU :/
208. Steelix - BL Way too strong for this, and way too used. OU.
209. Snubbull - UU OU (why is this here)
272. Ludicolo - OU BL I think
282. Gardevoir - BL I'm gonna have to say OU
292. Shedinja - BL I am thinking UU.
337. Lunatone - BL Make it UU even though I despise it and since Solrock is way better anyway
 

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I haven't looked at what others said!

NNEM said:
3. Venusaur – BL Oh god OU PLEASE
6. Charizard - BL See above
68. Machamp - UU - O_O BL
76. Golem - BL If rhydon stays, UU, if not BL
82. Magneton - BL I dont see the problem...Meganium stops it silly, if hp ice quag. Toxic is overrated.
91. Cloyster - UU This was uu last year and only Vil used it (surprise)
97. Hypno – BL :*
112. Rhydon - BL Everyone used it last year, I never broke a sweat. Thats why I got as far as I did. Do what you wish.
113. Chansey - BL OU k
122. Mr. Mime - OU BL
123. Scyther - BL This can stay here
169. Crobat - OU BL
171. Lanturn - BL :*:*:*:*
189. Jumpluff - UU ABSOLUTELY not. BL
196. Espeon - BL OU
199. Slowking - BL NU
205. Forretress - BL OU
207. Gligar - BL yes well done
208. Steelix - BL OU
209. Snubbull - UU Uber
241. Miltank - BL OU
282. Gardevoir - BL OU
292. Shedinja - BL Oh god YES screw you somebody. All this pokemon does is piss people off and it really is a (BAN ME PLEASE).
297. Hariyama - UU wherever machamp goes.
337. Lunatone - BL UU
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a few things Id like to add.. if we put Gligar BL then were limiting ourselves with Pinsir counters. So if Gligar goes BL then he should too because there is no way to counter this without sacrificing a pokemon before hand. Steelix on the other hand wont be missed too much because Rhydon and Golem exist, so Fearow or Crobat wont have a field day.. yet. However Steelix being immune to most electrics is a good arguement, most got smart and start packing Fire Punch.

All Im saying is before we ban certian pokemon lets check to see if its necessary to have it or not. We dont want one pokemon that supposivly goes away for another to rise because the other isnt there to push it around anymore.
 
Warthog said:
a few things Id like to add.. if we put Gligar BL then were limiting ourselves with Pinsir counters. So if Gligar goes BL then he should too because there is no way to counter this without sacrificing a pokemon before hand.....

All Im saying is before we ban certian pokemon lets check to see if its necessary to have it or not. We dont want one pokemon that supposivly goes away for another to rise because the other isnt there to push it around anymore.
That's kinda what they're doing with Slowbro and Cloyster..trying to remove counters for Gligar that own it stone cold because most if not all teams are too damn overreliant on Gligar >_>
 
Gligar is far more of a threat than pinsir. Though pinsir was fun to use in 200. Anyway, gligar is easily on 80% of the UU teams I see right now, so I'm strongly supportive of gligar in the BL category.

EDIT: I've been going over some possible pairing setups, and I'm going to have the general format be based on a power of 2 system. The winner's bracket will have every other round be a bye round, so it is beneficial to remain in the winner's bracket. The more you win, the less battles you have to play.

So say there are 32 people in the winner's bracket, and 32 in the loser's.

W | L
32 | 32
16 | 32
16 | 16
8 | 16
8 | 8
4 | 8
4 | 4
2 | 4
2 | 2
1 | 2
1 | 1

This would be the simplest way to organize it, but if signups dont approach a handy power of 2 the brackets can be handled other ways.
 
NNEM said:
3. Venusaur – BL eh OU
6. Charizard - BL lol OU
59. Arcanine - BL eh I don't think it should be bl but iunno
68. Machamp - UU champ needs to be BL
76. Golem - BL
80. Slowbro - BL
82. Magneton - BL eh bl doesn't seem fitting but looking at past arguements i would agree here
91. Cloyster - UU Hi I am OU
97. Hypno – BL I disagree with bl since hypno is screwed if it gets status but eh looking at the people who gave their opinions and who posted it seems i wont win
112. Rhydon - BL needs OU stamp
113. Chansey - BL god nate when will you learn chansey is not cool in uu
122. Mr. Mime - OU lol its sad that i actually agree with mrmine being ou seeing as with this list a person could make a BP chain ._.
123. Scyther - BL
124. Jynx - BL lol right BL OU
127. Pinsir - UU Pinsir could go either way but i would still think its uu
131. Lapras - OU lapras is uu ffs stop bitching idiots
171. Lanturn - BL BL?????????????:confused: uu
189. Jumpluff - UU Pluff is awesome BL
196. Espeon - BL sorry jumpman but esp kicks too much ass to be BL
199. Slowking - BL eh if you wish even tho i find it uu
205. Forretress - BL OU GTFO
207. Gligar - BL eh i disagree with gligar being bl since its still easily countered VIL
208. Steelix - BL OU GTFO but no people will stand up for it and make it bl
241. Miltank - BL OU shecow has no place in uu
277. Swellow - UU lol bl PL0X
282. Gardevoir - BL Gard is OU so sho fly
297. Hariyama - UU as much as everybody bitch about this being bl i wont bother
337. Lunatone - BL ok luna is no where near bl
365. Walrein - BL makey uu please
Current suggestions:

Chansey: BL to OU
Charizard: BL to OU
Cloyster: UU to BL
Crobat: OU to BL
Espeon: BL to OU
Forretress: BL to OU
Gligar: BL to UU
Gardevoir: BL to OU
Golem: BL to UU
Hariyama: UU to BL
Jumpluff: UU to BL
Jynx: BL to OU
Lanturn: BL to UU
Lapras: OU to BL
Ludicolo: OU to BL
Lunatone: BL to UU
Machamp: UU to BL
Magneton: BL to OU
Meganium: UU to BL
Miltank: BL to OU
Mr. Mime: OU to BL
Omastar: UU to BL
Pinsir: UU to BL
Rhydon: BL to OU
Scyther: BL to UU
Shedinja: BL to UU
Slowking: BL to UU
Steelix: BL to OU
Swellow: UU to BL
Venusaur: BL to OU
Walrein: BL to UU
As you can see I chosen to disregard everybody else list mainly because they all suck and I am the best lol :P
 
I haven't read what everyone else posted

3. Venusaur – BL OU
6. Charizard - BL OU, especially if Wynaut is allowed...
68. Machamp - UU How is this UU when Ursaring is BL?
76. Golem - BL UU
82. Magneton - BL OU
91. Cloyster - UU Some people will want this for BL. I'm fine with either.
97. Hypno – BL Meh, I'd like this for UU but people will complain.
112. Rhydon - BL OU
113. Chansey - BL OU :(
123. Scyther - BL UU
131. Lapras - OU What? Should be UU imo, so at least make it BL.
139. Omastar - UU I don't care about this one, but some people will want B:.
169. Crobat - OU BL if Steelix is allowed.
171. Lanturn - BL Same deal with Lapras. I say UU but whatever
189. Jumpluff - UU BL
196. Espeon - BL OU
207. Gligar - BL Meh, UU
229. Houndoom - OU BL imo
233. Porygon2 - OU BL
241. Miltank - BL OU
282. Gardevoir - BL OU
292. Shedinja - BL Meh. I've not much problem with this in BL, but I think it belongs in UU

Jackal said:
292. Shedinja - BL Oh god YES screw you somebody. All this pokemon does is piss people off and it really is a (BAN ME PLEASE).
xD

337. Lunatone - BL What? lol UU
348. Armaldo - BL I'm fine with it, but some may want it banned
360. Wynaut - UU ew. I say ban this thing altogether.
365. Walrein - BL UU
 
Solrock CAN'T be UU if Lunatone is BL. Solrock is used even more than Lunatone.

Shedinja NEEDS to be UU, otherwise nobody will use it (except me and somebody [we gotta stick together]) :(
 
3. Venusaur – BL This thing won't really be a big danger, kinda like an upgraded Meganium, so for all I care let it stay.
6. Charizard - BL OU. I think Charizard is too versatile and too powerful to let through, Waters are already pumping hits 24/7.
59. Arcanine - BL When PR put this thing at UU, I actually used it. It absolutely is horrible in standard, but in this metagame I think it does just fine. It beats all common Fire-types to an extent, even Bellyzard if you allow it. It owns Grassers and stuff...
68. Machamp - UU Both Machamp and Hariyama should be put at BL. They have awesome possibilities I won't bother listing. They do fine at the very least in standard, hitting a bunchload of stuff hard, I don't see why they'd be at the lowest tier possible here.
76. Golem - BL Golem isn't that much of a danger, it isn't as much of a threat as Rhydon. Just put it at UU. People have used this in UU for years.
80. Slowbro - BL yes
82. Magneton - BL I don't really care, nobody will use it unless you put it in UU. Then again, with that Special Attack it might be a bit too threatening.
85. Dodrio - OU I agree.
91. Cloyster - UU I don't care if few people can use Cloyster effectively in standard, it is a very good Pokemon and I don't want to change UU to a Spikes metagame. This thing renders cool stuff like Gligar and Quagsire useless. BL at the very least, but I'd say OU.
97. Hypno – BL Hypno is an UU standard, that doesn't mean it should become BL. It kinda does gay up the game though, making for annoying UU stall teams which is definitely the most stupid thing ever. Still, UU is UU.
99. Kingler - UU
112. Rhydon - BL Should I now list all Rhydon's awesome pro's and stuff again like everyone else does? Rhydon is fucking fucking fucking awesome, there's no 100% safe switch into him in ANY metagame. OU.
113. Chansey - BL What's next? :/ Ban it. It's not OU but it's so dumb to allow this just because it's a pre-evo. It has major differences with Blissey but the only reason this isn't on every standard team is because Blissey exists.
122. Mr. Mime - OU It's not that dangerous, its low defensives keep it from being broken. Fake Out and Quick Attack are so common it won't have a chance to do a lot.
123. Scyther - BL Bug/Flying is awful typing. Scyther is used MUCH less than Cloyster. It's walled by Fearow, Mawile, Aggron and a lot of other stuff, while the Reversal sets are beaten by standard. UU.
124. Jynx - BL Jynx is overrated, I'm fine with BL. People should stop being like "oh skarm's set is so awesome jynx is great" since it isn't.
131. Lapras - OU Excellent. Lapras is an awesome Pokemon, don't change this. If you're going to change it, BL but not UU. Don't listen to goofball, Lapras is absolutely broken in UU and gives Walrein no chance.
154. Meganium - UU It does kinda turn UU into a walling fest, it's like a Celebi, but fine.
157. Typhlosion - BL This was my BL in my first SF (the previous one). If you allow Arcanine, it's not much of a threat.
169. Crobat - OU Oh who's affraid of Crobat? Use Aggron. Use Mawile. Use Muk. Use your flippin' "UU" Cloyster. UU or BL.
171. Lanturn - BL This is good, Lanturn as an utter UU is dangerous.
189. Jumpluff - UU Jumpluff is a (BAN ME PLEASE), I don't care where it is.
196. Espeon - BL Allow it and everything will revolve around it. Espeon can sweep UU teams without blinking. OU plox
199. Slowking - BL Slowking isn't that dangerous. :( Put it at UU and it still won't be used much.
205. Forretress - BL So you like to overclause things, but you put Forretress, Gligar, Lanturn, Scyther, Rhydon and Chansey in the fucking same tier? Forretress is OU. It is on every other team that likes Spikes, and walls everything and its dog. UU isn't meant to be a stallfest.
207. Gligar - BL Ridiculous. Don't listen to VIL, Gligar might be an UU bog standard, but it's not going to rape anything completely. :[ Just put it back to UU where it belongs. I mean, there's other UU standards like Quagsire and Solrock that completely own it.
208. Steelix - BL Just go back to OU, you (BAN ME PLEASE). I hate whoever started this in UU. Ok, I hate BLs in UU nonetheless but this thing annoys me to no hell.
209. Snubbull - UU Good thing!
210. Granbull - UU I don't see how this is BL, it's slow as fuck and, like you said for Hypno, "it takes quite a beating from CBers". So either of your reasonings is flawed, and I think both! It can stay in UU.
212. Scizor - BL I'm fine with this, just fyi.
217. Ursaring – BL Ursaring is gay, allowing it puts Granbull in its shadow. Put it to OU. Like with Rhydon, there's no good switch at all here. I don't care if its slow, Ursaring increases his (already higher) Attack much faster than Granbull, IS speedier, and has Guts over Intimidate to be even scarier.
241. Miltank - BL Yet another stalling (BAN ME PLEASE) that somehow made it to BL. Hello? It is someone there? Miltank takes hits like none other and has an easy time Cursing up, Belling things and stuff. OU
282. Gardevoir - BL Go back to OU with this, it's way too powerful and versatile.
292. Shedinja - BL I don't care, I'd like this to be in UU but meh. If you are staying adamant on allowing stuff like Cloyster and Forretress this won't be of any use.
297. Hariyama - UU Hariyama and Machamp aren't much different, Hariyama should be BL as well.
335. Zangoose - BL Fine.
337. Lunatone - BL
338. Solrock - UU How the hell are these two in different tiers? How are they above UU, even? They're both not that freaking awesome, just good.
346. Cradily - BL I won't like this but fine.
348. Armaldo - BL Way too much of a fucking monster but I doubt anyone will use it.
365. Walrein - BL Just go for UU, Walrein doesn't have such a great typing, it's just a fat bastard that knows what his job is. It's in no way BL.
382. Kygore - OU yeah Kygore is way too powerful
 
NNEM said:
68. Machamp - UU
BL, it does a good amount of damage to nearly anything and has Guts. It's just too good to be UU.
97. Hypno – BL
UU IMO. It can't attack for shit, is slow, and takes quite a bit from CBers.
103. Exeggutor - OU
BL imo. It has too many weaknesses and the setup with Chlorophyll kinda wears it down
112. Rhydon - BL
I won't buy for half a second that this shouldn't be OU
113. Chansey - BL
ffs I couldn't care less if this stays BL.
208. Steelix - BL
GOOD. OU all the way IMO
210. Granbull - UU
BL IMO. Intimidate, STAB Return/Frustration, Bulk Up, and even Heal Bell...awesome in UU.
282. Gardevoir - BL
OU. CM, STAB Psychic, takes most special attacks easily. Too good for UU
337. Lunatone - BL
If Solrock is UU this should be as well
 
Exeggutor Bl what the fuck, expecially if steelix is OU.

Also I am not really sure what you meant about Rhydon, but he is way too overpowered for BL, Rhydon should never ever be allowed in UU :(
 
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