No problem :), the only reason I got that was that I "never" use machamp over hariyama (except for CBing) due to hariyama's HP giving it superior physical and special defenses.Gah, calculated Machamp's calc with a non-modest buzz x_x...Huge Mistake, sorry bout that; wish I could take it all back =x Thanks NC for picking it up x_x
The point is Kangaskhan is boss and way too good to be in the feeble company of UU.How a Pokemon performs in standard should say nothing about where it should be tiered in the SF metagame.
That's kinda like saying, "Walrein needs moved to BL because it's just too good not to use if you label it UU." :[On every serious competitive team, walrein is being used. Moving it to BL would eliminate that.
If that is the point why are you talking about Kangaskhan in OU?MrE said:The point is Kangaskhan is boss and way too good to be in the feeble company of UU.
Why'd you discuss something over and over again and get the same result every time? Plus, if you ask me, Kangaskhan is perfectly fine in BL here. Feel free to explain why Kangaskhan isn't good at all again, because last time I checked it is at least one of the best UUs by far.husk said:we've had this discussion on many other communities and each time we had the same result: Kanga is uu.
Obviously, when you discuss it at a number of different forums there are different people at each forum and therefore a discussion needs to take place so that the people who did not see the previous discussions on the other forums can be educated...much like the one here. I thought you were better than that Mekkah.Why'd you discuss something over and over again and get the same result every time?
No need to play smart with me there. What other forums/communities think here hardly matters, especially since this isn't normal UU but SF UU. What past discussions have shown may not matter as much here either. Celebi has been discussed countless times either but never has a consensus been reached.husk said:Obviously, when you discuss it at a number of different forums there are different people at each forum and therefore a discussion needs to take place so that the people who did not see the previous discussions on the other forums can be educated...much like the one here. I thought you were better than that Mekkah.
Without any sarcasm implied, I think that's pretty odd. Perhaps this is because you know how to outplay Kangaskhan?husk said:Kanga is good no doubt, probably the normal of choice in uu...I just never see it getting anything done.
I think Porygon2 is an entirely different kind of Pokemon since it's Special-based and relies on Recover rather than Early Bird Rest. Both of which have many pro's and cons, though with status being very prevalent right now (especially if Hypno stays UU), I would prefer the latter.husk said:In BL with ursa and p2 I don't think it is going to see much play at all, but since it's such a "stellar" poke I must be wrong.
So am I, really. I prefer to tier Pokemon by what makes the game more fun and/or diverse to play. Making big ass standards in UU like Kangaskhan or Hypno changes the game around a bit. Of course, if Kangaskhan stays UU, no harm done. I'll probably use it then.husk said:I'm just trying to help everyone else out by having a tier system that makes sense.
I'd never do a trade like that unless I know Kangaskhan has no Rest AND my opponent has no Heal Bell/Aromatherapy at all. Can't really see what this has to do with it.If I recall correctly, Husk used a Defensive Banette who survived Shadow Ball quite easily and Will-o-Wisped Kangaskhan rendering it pretty useless.
Yeah, it is. People may use swellow/fearow over khangaskhan, or victreebel over tentacruel, but nobody would dream of using anything over Walrein. It is too good. The only thing that stops it is a subrev/endrev poke.That's kinda like saying, "Walrein needs moved to BL because it's just too good not to use if you label it UU." :[
Fighting is resisted by nearly everything, Ursaring isn't with it's STAB Return, HP Ghost and Earthquake and has Swords Dance as well.Ok, after my blunder I didn't want to post, but..
Walrein has some pretty solid counters...including CM Golduck, Hypno, Grumpig, Feraligatr, Tentacruel, Politoed, Slowking, Lanturn, and Lunatone for those who opted for HP or EQ over Surf. CB Normals still kills it as does fighting and rock moves. It's a good defense support, but not threatening or unwallable enough to be BL, SERIOUSLY. It'll be overshadowed by the more versatile Lapras (T-bolt, Perish Song, Sing, Confuse Ray, etc)
Just like Walrein, Cradily imo is not overpowering or supportive enough to be BL. All it does is absorb hits and maybe poison things if it has Toxic. Nothing compared to defensive capabilities of Cloyster combined with its Spikes. (Which is why I actually think CLoyster is worthy enough to be BL). No one would seriously choose Cradily as their sole BL unless they were in desperate need of an electric resist that doesn't die to Fearows, in expense of their BL slot and a slot in their team that could've been used for a much more elaborate offense or support.
In my experience, Ursaring did worse in endurance and bashing hits compared to Machamp, so putting Ursaring up to OU with Machamp BL doesn't sound reasonbale to me. If Ursaring goes OU, then Machamp should go OU as well, with mini-Ursa that is effectively Granbull going up to BL x_x Yea, seems kinda outrageous.
Golduck can't even touch Walrein unless it has Psychic; even then Walrein is bulky enough to kill it first with Earthquake. Hypnosis does not help since many Walreins run Sleep Talk. The only way Hypno kills Walrein is with Calm Mind+Wish, and even that takes a while with Hypno's lacklustre Special Attack. Tentacruel and Lanturn die to Earthquake unless you switch the latter in on Ice Beam. Generally the Sleep Talk versions are very tough to take down unless you have something that is very sturdy and/or can start hitting hard quickly.Ok, after my blunder I didn't want to post, but..
Walrein has some pretty solid counters...including CM Golduck, Hypno, Grumpig, Feraligatr, Tentacruel, Politoed, Slowking, Lanturn, and Lunatone for those who opted for HP or EQ over Surf. CB Normals still kills it as does fighting and rock moves. It's a good defense support, but not threatening or unwallable enough to be BL, SERIOUSLY. It'll be overshadowed by the more versatile Lapras (T-bolt, Perish Song, Sing, Confuse Ray, etc)