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Ubers Sylveon (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by Fireburn, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. Fireburn

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    Overview
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    Sylveon's cute and cuddly appearance belies an impressive ability to stand up to the monstrous special threats roaming the Ubers metagame. Packing an impressive base 130 Special Defense backed by base 95 HP, as well as access to coveted support moves such as Wish and Heal Bell, Sylveon works excellently as a wall and team supporter, holding back threats such as Palkia and Yveltal while providing invaluable cleric support. A Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice gives Sylveon a decent punch for a defensive Pokemon, ensuring it doesn't become setup bait for the threats that it is meant to check. That being said, Sylveon suffers from a mediocre Defense stat, and it cannot do much against trappers such as Mega Gengar and Wobbuffet, leaving it rather vulnerable. It also faces heavy competition from Xerneas, which has equal or better stats in all categories and can also provide cleric support via Aromatherapy. However, Wish gives Sylveon an important edge that makes it much more of a team player than Xerneas. If you are in need of a bulky Fairy-type that can check prominent special attackers and provide invaluable cleric support, Sylveon certainly won't disappoint.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Hyper Voice
    ability: Pixilate
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    nature: Calm

    Moves
    ========

    Thanks to its solid HP stat, Wish allows Sylveon to patch up its teammates that either need healing or are coming in to absorb an attack aimed at Sylveon. Combined with Protect, Wish also provides Sylveon with reliable recovery for itself. Protect also allows Sylveon to garner more Leftovers recovery and scout possible Choice attackers. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of debilitating status conditions. Hyper Voice becomes a 117 Base Power STAB attack thanks to Pixilate, OHKOing Darkrai with ease while also doing about 70% to Palkia, Yveltal, and Mega Mewtwo X. Hyper Voice also pierces Substitute, making it useful against common users of the move such as Darkrai and Shaymin-S.

    Set Details
    ========

    Always maximize HP and Special Defense, as Sylveon needs the investment to properly handle threats. To give an example of how specially bulky Sylveon is, Life Orb Yveltal cannot 2HKO Sylveon with any move. Sylveon is also a fine check to Palkia, as Lustrous Orb sets cannot 2HKO it, assuming it is not raining. However, if it is raining, an unboosted Hydro Pump or a Lustrous Orb-boosted Surf can potentially 2HKO Sylveon, so be careful. However, Sylveon is not 2HKOed by Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre's Surf in the rain, allowing it to stall out the rain turns with Wish and Protect. Leftovers is the preferred item as the passive recovery goes well with Wish and Protect.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Sylveon should be used on balanced or stall teams that need a solid special wall and clerical support through Wish and Heal Bell. It makes a solid switch-in to threats such as Yveltal, Palkia, both Giratina formes, Darkrai, Kyurem-W, and Dialga lacking Flash Cannon, and it can also come in on defensive Pokemon such as support Arceus or Lugia and use Heal Bell or Wish. Sylveon can also check certain Fighting-types in an emergency—it can take one Stone Edge from Choice Scarf Terrakion and barely survives +1 Mega Mewtwo X Psycho Cut at full health—but under no circumstances should it be relied upon to check these threats, as it has very mediocre Defense.

    Tread lightly with Sylveon around teams with Mega Gengar. If Sylveon is caught in a bad situation or on the wrong end of a double switch, Mega Gengar can trap Sylveon with Shadow Tag and either cripple it with Taunt or snipe it with Sludge Bomb. If you don't have a Pursuit user on your team to get rid of Gengar as it Mega Evolves, be very careful with Sylveon once Gengar has Mega Evolved.

    Team Options
    ========

    Mega Gengar is Sylveon's worst enemy, as it traps it easily and KOes it with Sludge Bomb, so packing a Pursuit user on your team to make Gengar less of a problem is highly advised. Mega Scizor is generally the best answer as it can come in easily on Taunt or Sludge Bomb and checkmate Gengar with Pursuit and/or Bullet Punch. As a bonus, Mega Scizor highly benefits from Sylveon's clerical support and can check dangerous sweepers that can set up on Sylveon, such as Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus. Mega Tyranitar can also Pursuit trap Gengar, although it is less reliable as Focus Blast will destroy it. Mega Tyranitar does have the advantage of checking Ho-Oh, which can easily come in on Sylveon. Rock and Water Arceus can also check Ho-Oh well and can burn physical attackers that might try to take advantage of Sylveon's low Defense. Support Arceus formes generally benefit greatly from Heal Bell to remove Toxic. Thanks to Multiscale, Lugia can take on all versions of Swords Dance Arceus, Geomancy Xerneas, and Ho-Oh, and it appreciates Sylveon's Heal Bell and ability to take on Dark-types.

    Sylveon can't touch Steel-types at all, so switch-ins to them are also highly recommended. Groudon and Landorus-T work excellently as both have no recovery of their own and thus highly appreciate Wish, as well as Heal Bell to cure them of possible burns. Do note that it is not recommended to use Gliscor, as Heal Bell hurts it by denying it a turn of Poison Heal recovery upon switching back into battle. Fire-types such as Ho-Oh and Heatran can also work well.

    Any Pokemon that relies on Rest for recovery loves Heal Bell support to cure them of sleep. As such, Kyogre and Giratina are solid partners:. Kyogre can take on most bulky Steel-types, and Giratina appreciates Sylveon's immunity to Dragon-type attacks and can take on Swords Dance Arceus, and both of them can handle Ho-Oh to an extent.


    Other Options
    ########

    Shed Shell foils Mega Gengar, Sylveon's primary nemesis, by negating Shadow Tag, but losing the passive recovery of Leftovers reduces Sylveon's walling capabilities. If you are willing to forgo Heal Bell, Baton Pass is a nice momentum-preserving tool that makes Wish passing easier and can let Sylveon escape from predicted Mega Gengar switch-ins. Toxic enables Sylveon to outstall bulky tanks and cripple Ho-Oh on the switch, but it is generally not recommended as it doesn't do anything to the Steel- and Poison-types that comprise Sylveon's main checks. Yawn works as a sort of phazing move and can be used to potentially put a check to sleep, but as a pure phazer, Xerneas is generally better. Shadow Ball 2HKOes Gengar on the switch and gets decent chip damage against Aegislash, Jirachi, and Bronzong, but it has little use otherwise. Calm Mind is a decent option when combined with Baton Pass to give monsters such as Kyogre or Palkia a nice boost.

    Finally, Sylveon does have large enough movepool to make use of Choice Specs, but Xerneas and Fairy Arceus highly outclass Sylveon at offensive roles, so these should never be seriously considered.


    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Mega Gengar**: By far Sylveon's best counter, as Shadow Tag prevents fleeing, Taunt shuts down recovery attempts, and Sludge Bomb 2HKOes with ease. Gengar also resists Hyper Voice so it can switch in fairly easily, Mega Evolve, and KO Sylveon.

    **Steel and Poison Arceus**: Both formes resist Hyper Voice, are immune to Toxic, and pack a super effective STAB Judgment. Should they have Calm Mind, they can set up against Sylveon.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: Sylveon can't touch Steel-types, so most of them can switch in freely and set up on it, or just wreck it with their STAB attacks. Scizor, Aegislash, Bronzong, Jirachi, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and Excadrill all work nicely. Skarmory works too if it has Taunt.

    **Ho-Oh**: Ho-Oh can switch in on Sylveon easily and destroy it with Sacred Fire.

    **Bulky Setup Sweepers**: Setup sweepers that don't fear Hyper Voice can use Sylveon as setup bait. Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus are the most notable examples.

    **Powerful Physical Attackers**: Powerful physical attacks do a lot of damage to Sylveon due to its mediocre Defense. Groudon and Landorus-T are good users of these as they have enough bulk to take a Hyper Voice or two on the switch.

    **Roar and Whirlwind**: These moves are annoying for Sylveon as they pierce Protect, which can prevent it from healing itself with Wish. Lugia, defensive Kyogre, and Groudon are notable examples of Pokemon that often carry these moves.
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  2. Manaphy

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    I think there needs to be a focus on Xerneas; specifically what Sylveon can do better than it, which is Wish passing. As you probably know, Xerneas often runs a very similar set to Sylveon (RestTalk and aromatherapy), which has similar Special Bulk and much higher stats in other departments.
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    I was definitely gonna talk about this I just haven't done it yet. Thanks for the reminder though. :V

    This skeleton will be done soon.

    EDIT - Ready for QC, Sylveon is a pretty simple Pokemon.
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  4. Blue Jay

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    As far as Palkia goes, just mention that Sylveon has to be careful in Rain (Lustrous Orb Surf and Hydro Pump with any item threaten to 2HKO even without SR).

    Looks good otherwise, not much flexibility here.

    QC: 1/3
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    Will do, thanks Blue Jay.
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    Mention shed shell in OO for mass trolling gengar.

    Baton Pass is hard to shove on but is useful for escaping mega gar in a pinch / passing wishes / getting something in unharmed because it's slow. Should also be OO in my opinion.

    There really isn't much else that needs to be changed. Strong fireburn is strong.

    QC: 2/3
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    Mentioned Shed Shell and Baton Pass, will write up soon.
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    Common users of Roar and Whirlwind that can switch into Sylveon should be mentioned in checks and counters, as those moves now bypass Protect and thus prevent Sylveon from healing herself with Wish.
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    I'll mention it for Lugia and defensive Kyogre, the other most common users are support Groudon (Sylveon isn't staying in on this anyway) and Giratina (which really don't want to stay in on Sylveon because they literally do nothing to it and are weak to its STAB). Groudon and Giratina also often run Dragon Tail which is obviously not a problem for Sylveon.
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    Against Groudon, the point is not whether you want to stay in or not, it's simply a matter of needing to use Protect because you need to heal yourself. In 5th gen, you could use Wish as Groudon came in, then use Protect to heal, and then switch out, while this is no longer possible.
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    True, I'll mention Groudon too then.
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    This is written and ready for the final QC check.
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    Remove the mention of Tina-o as a common sub user cause it's not true anymore.
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    Done.
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    QC Approved 3/3
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    Thanks, Swamp-Rocket.
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    Overview
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    Sylveon's cute and cuddly appearance belies an impressive ability to stand up to the monstrous special threats roaming the Ubers metagame. Packing an impressive base 95 / 130 special defensive stats Special Defense backed by base 95 HP, and as well as access to coveted moves such as Wish and Heal Bell, Sylveon works excellently as a wall and team supporter, holding back threats such as Palkia and Yveltal while providing invaluable cleric support. A Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice also gives Sylveon a decent punch for a defensive Pokemon, ensuring it doesn't become setup bait for the threats that it is meant to check. That being said, Sylveon suffers from a mediocre Defense stat, and it cannot do much against trappers such as Mega Gengar and Wobbuffet, which can leave leaving it rather vulnerable. It also faces heavy competition from Xerneas, who has equal or better stats in all categories and can also provide cleric support via Aromatherapy. However, Wish gives Sylveon an important edge that makes it much more of a team player than Xerneas. If you are in need of a bulky Fairy-type that can check prominent special attackers and provide invaluable cleric support, Sylveon certainly won't disappoint.

    Cleric
    ########
    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Hyper Voice
    ability: Pixilate
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Def
    nature: Calm

    Moves
    ========

    Thanks to its solid HP stat, Wish combined with Sylveon's solid HP stat allows it Sylveon to patch up its teammates that just either need healing or are coming in to absorb an attack aimed at Sylveon. Combined with Protect, Wish also provides Sylveon with reliable recovery for itself. Protect also allows Sylveon to garner more Leftovers recovery for itself and scout possible Choice attackers. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of debilitating status conditions. Hyper Voice becomes a 117 BP STAB attack thanks to Pixilate, OHKOing Darkrai with ease while also doing about 70% damage to Palkia, Yveltal, and Mega Mewtwo X. Hyper Voice also pierces Substitute, making it useful against common users of the move such as Darkrai and Shaymin-S.

    Set Details
    ========

    Always maximize HP and Special Defense:, as Sylveon needs the investment to properly handle the threats it needs to check. To give an example of how specially bulky Sylveon is, Life Orb Yveltal cannot 2HKO Sylveon with any move. Sylveon is also a fine check to Palkia, as Lustrous Orb sets cannot 2HKO it , assuming it is not raining. However, if it is raining, Hydro Pump and or a Lustrous Orb Surf can possibly potentially 2HKO Sylveon, so be careful. Something else to note is that Sylveon is not 2HKOed by Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre's Surf in the rain, allowing it to stall out the rain turns with Wish and Protect in a pinch. Leftovers is the preferred item as the passive recovery goes well with Wish and Protect.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Sylveon should be used on balanced or stall teams that need a solid special wall that and clerical support through Wish and Heal Bell. It makes a solid switch-in to threats such as Yveltal, Palkia, Giratina formes, Darkrai, Kyurem-W, and Dialga lacking Flash Cannon, and it can also come in on defensive Pokemon such as support Arceus formes or Lugia to and use Heal Bell or Wish if needed. Sylveon can also check certain Fighting-types in an emergency - it can take one Stone Edge from Choice Scarf Terrakion and barely survives +1 Mega Mewtwo X Psycho Cut at full health - but it should under no circumstances should it be relied upon to check these threats, as it has very due to its mediocre Defense.

    Tread lightly with Sylveon around teams with Mega Gengar. If Sylveon is caught in a bad situation or on the wrong end of a double switch, Mega Gengar can trap Sylveon with Shadow Tag, cripple it with Taunt, and snipe it with Sludge Bomb. If you don't have a Pursuit user on your team to get rid of Gengar as it Mega Evolves Mega-Evolves, be very careful with Sylveon once Gengar has successfully Mega Evolved Mega-Evolved.

    Team Options
    ========

    Mega Gengar is Sylveon's worst enemy as it traps it easily and murders KOes it with Sludge Bomb, so packing a Pursuit user on your team to make Gengar less of a problem is highly advised. Mega Scizor is generally the best answer as it can come in easily on Taunt or Sludge Bomb and checkmate Gengar with Pursuit and/or Bullet Punch. As a bonus, Mega Scizor highly benefits highly from Sylveon's clerical support and can check dangerous sweepers that can set up on Sylveon such as Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus. Mega Tyranitar can also Pursuit trap Gengar, although it is less reliable as Focus Blast destroys will destroy it. Mega Tyranitar does have the advantage of checking Ho-Oh, which can easily comes come in on Sylveon. Rock and Water Arceus can also check Ho-Oh well and can burn physical attackers that might try to take advatantage of Sylveon Sylveon's low Defense. Support Arceus formes in general generally benefit greatly from Heal Bell support to remove possible Toxic status. Thanks to Multiscale, Lugia can take on all of Swords Dance Arceus, Geomancy Xerneas, and Ho-Oh, thanks to Multiscale and it appreciates Sylveon's Heal Bell and ability to take on Dark-types.

    Sylveon can't touch Steel-types at all so switch-ins to them are also highly recommended. Groudon and Landorus-T work excellently as both have no recovery of their own and thus highly appreciate Wish, as well as Heal Bell to cure them of possible burns. Do note that it is not recommended to use Gliscor, as Heal Bell hurts it by denying it a turn of Poison Heal recovery upon switching back into battle. Fire-types such as Ho-Oh and Heatran can also work well.

    Any Pokemon that relies on Rest for recovery loves Heal Bell support to cure them of sleep. As such, Kyogre and Giratina are solid partners:. Kyogre can take on most bulky Steel-types, and Giratina appreciates Sylveon's immunity to Dragon-type attacks and can take on Swords Dance Arceus, and both of them can handle Ho-Oh to an extent.


    Other Options
    ########

    Shed Shell foils Mega Gengar, Sylveon's primary nemesis, by enabling it to switch out negating Shadow Tag ("it" was too ambiguous), but losing the passive recovery of Leftovers reduces Sylveon's walling capability capabilities. If you are willing to forgo Heal Bell, Baton Pass is a nice momentum-preserving tool that makes Wish passing easier and can let Sylveon escape from predicted Mega Gengar switch-ins. Toxic enables Sylveon to outstall bulky tanks and cripples cripple (I guess "cripples" works with "enables", but "cripple" fits better with "outstall") Ho-Oh on the switch, but it is generaly not recommended as it doesn't do anything to the Steel- and Poison-types that comprise Sylveon's main checks. Yawn somewhat acts works as something of a phazing move and can be used to potentially put a check to sleep, but as a pure phazer, Xerneas is generally better. Shadow Ball 2HKOes Gengar on the switch and gets decent chip damage against Aegislash, Jirachi, and Bronzong, but it has little use otherwise.

    Sylveon does have access to Calm Mind and has a large enough movepool to make use of Choice Specs, but Xerneas and Fairy Arceus highly outclass Sylveon at offensive roles, so these should never be seriously considered.


    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Mega Gengar**: By far Sylveon's best counter, as Shadow Tag prevents it from fleeing, Taunt shuts down recovery attempts, and Sludge Bomb easily 2HKOes with ease (parallel structure). Gengar also resists Hyper Voice so it can switch in fairly easily, Mega-Evolve, to Mega Evolve and KO Sylveon.

    **Steel and Poison Arceus**: Both formes resist Hyper Voice, are immune to Toxic, and pack a super effective STAB Judgment. Should they have Calm Mind, they can set up with impunity against Sylveon.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: Sylveon can't touch Steel-types, so most of them can switch in with impunity freely (already used that phrase) and set up on it, or just wreck it with their STAB moves attacks. Scizor, Aegislash, Bronzong, Jirachi, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and Excadrill all work nicely. Skarmory works too if it has Taunt.

    **Ho-Oh**: Switches Ho-Oh can switch in on Sylveon with impunity and destroys destroy it with Sacred Fire.

    **Bulky Setup Sweepers**: Setup sweepers that can take Hyper Voice well can use Sylveon as setup bait. Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus are the most notable examples.

    **Powerful Physical Attackers**: Powerful physical attacks do a lot of damage to Sylveon due to its mediocre Defense. Groudon and Landorus-T are notable good (too much "notable") examples since they have enough bulk to take a Hyper Voice or two on the switch.

    **Roar and Whirlwind**: These moves are annoying for Sylveon as they pierce Protect, which can prevent it from healing itself with Wish. Lugia, defensive Kyogre, and Groudon are notable examples of Pokemon that often carry these moves.
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    Overview
    ########

    Sylveon's cute and cuddly appearance belies an impressive ability to stand up to the monstrous special threats roaming the Ubers metagame. Packing an impressive base 130 Special Defense backed by base 95 HP, as well as access to coveted moves such as Wish and Heal Bell, Sylveon works excellently as a wall and team supporter, holding back threats such as Palkia and Yveltal while providing invaluable cleric support. A Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice gives Sylveon a decent punch for a defensive Pokemon, ensuring it doesn't become setup bait for the threats that it is meant to check. That being said, Sylveon suffers from a mediocre Defense stat, and it cannot do much against trappers such as Mega Gengar and Wobbuffet, leaving it rather vulnerable. It also faces heavy competition from Xerneas, who has equal or better stats in all categories and can also provide cleric support via Aromatherapy. However, Wish gives Sylveon an important edge that makes it much more of a team player than Xerneas. If you are in need of a bulky Fairy-type that can check prominent special attackers and provide invaluable cleric support, Sylveon certainly won't disappoint.

    Cleric
    ########
    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Hyper Voice
    ability: Pixilate
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    nature: Calm

    Moves
    ========

    Thanks to its solid HP stat, Wish allows Sylveon to patch up its teammates that either need healing or are coming in to absorb an attack aimed at Sylveon. Combined with Protect, Wish also provides Sylveon with reliable recovery for itself. Protect also allows Sylveon to garner more Leftovers recovery and scout possible Choice attackers. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of debilitating status conditions. Hyper Voice becomes a 117 BP STAB attack thanks to Pixilate, OHKOing Darkrai with ease while also doing about 70% damage to Palkia, Yveltal, and Mega Mewtwo X. Hyper Voice also pierces Substitute, making it useful against common users of the move such as Darkrai and Shaymin-S.

    Set Details
    ========

    Always maximize HP and Special Defense, as Sylveon needs the investment to properly handle threats. To give an example of how specially bulky Sylveon is, Life Orb Yveltal cannot 2HKO Sylveon with any move. Sylveon is also a fine check to Palkia, as Lustrous Orb sets cannot 2HKO it , assuming it is not raining. However, if it is raining, Hydro Pump or a Lustrous Orb Surf can potentially 2HKO Sylveon, so be careful. Sylveon is not 2HKOed by Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre's Surf in the rain, allowing it to stall out the rain turns with Wish and Protect. Leftovers is the preferred item as the passive recovery goes well with Wish and Protect.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Sylveon should be used on balanced or stall teams that need a solid special wall and clerical support through Wish and Heal Bell. It makes a solid switch-in to threats such as Yveltal, Palkia, Giratina formes, Darkrai, Kyurem-W, and Dialga lacking Flash Cannon, and it can also come in on defensive Pokemon such as support Arceus or Lugia and use Heal Bell or Wish. Sylveon can also check certain Fighting-types in an emergency - it can take one Stone Edge from Choice Scarf Terrakion and barely survives +1 Mega Mewtwo X Psycho Cut at full health - but under no circumstances should it be relied upon to check these threats, as it has very mediocre Defense.

    Tread lightly with Sylveon around teams with Mega Gengar. If Sylveon is caught in a bad situation or on the wrong end of a double switch, Mega Gengar can trap Sylveon with Shadow Tag, cripple it with Taunt, and snipe it with Sludge Bomb. If you don't have a Pursuit user on your team to get rid of Gengar as it Mega-Evolves, be very careful with Sylveon once Gengar has Mega-Evolved.

    Team Options
    ========

    Mega Gengar is Sylveon's worst enemy as it traps it easily and KOes it with Sludge Bomb, so packing a Pursuit user on your team to make Gengar less of a problem is highly advised. Mega Scizor is generally the best answer as it can come in easily on Taunt or Sludge Bomb and checkmate Gengar with Pursuit and/or Bullet Punch. As a bonus, Mega Scizor highly benefits from Sylveon's clerical support and can check dangerous sweepers that can set up on Sylveon such as Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus. Mega Tyranitar can also Pursuit trap Gengar, although it is less reliable as Focus Blast will destroy it. Mega Tyranitar does have the advantage of checking Ho-Oh, which can easily come in on Sylveon. Rock and Water Arceus can also check Ho-Oh well and can burn physical attackers that might try to take advatantage of Sylveon's low Defense. Support Arceus formes generally benefit greatly from Heal Bell to remove Toxic. Thanks to Multiscale, Lugia can take on all of Swords Dance Arceus, Geomancy Xerneas, and Ho-Oh, and it appreciates Sylveon's Heal Bell and ability to take on Dark-types.

    Sylveon can't touch Steel-types at all so switch-ins to them are also highly recommended. Groudon and Landorus-T work excellently as both have no recovery of their own and thus highly appreciate Wish, as well as Heal Bell to cure them of possible burns. Do note that it is not recommended to use Gliscor, as Heal Bell hurts it by denying it a turn of Poison Heal recovery upon switching back into battle. Fire-types such as Ho-Oh and Heatran can also work well.

    Any Pokemon that relies on Rest for recovery loves Heal Bell support to cure them of sleep. As such, Kyogre and Giratina are solid partners:. Kyogre can take on most bulky Steel-types, and Giratina appreciates Sylveon's immunity to Dragon-type attacks and can take on Swords Dance Arceus, and both of them can handle Ho-Oh to an extent.


    Other Options
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    Shed Shell foils Mega Gengar, Sylveon's primary nemesis, by negating Shadow Tag, but losing the passive recovery of Leftovers reduces Sylveon's walling capabilities. If you are willing to forgo Heal Bell, Baton Pass is a nice momentum-preserving tool that makes Wish passing easier and can let Sylveon escape from predicted Mega Gengar switch-ins. Toxic enables Sylveon to outstall bulky tanks and cripple Ho-Oh on the switch, but it is generaly not recommended as it doesn't do anything to the Steel- and Poison-types that comprise Sylveon's main checks. Yawn works as something of a phazing move and can be used to potentially put a check to sleep, but as a pure phazer, Xerneas is generally better. Shadow Ball 2HKOes Gengar on the switch and gets decent chip damage against Aegislash, Jirachi, and Bronzong, but it has little use otherwise.

    Sylveon does have access to Calm Mind and a large enough movepool to make use of Choice Specs, but Xerneas and Fairy Arceus highly outclass Sylveon at offensive roles, so these should never be seriously considered.


    Checks & Counters
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    **Mega Gengar**: By far Sylveon's best counter, as Shadow Tag prevents fleeing, Taunt shuts down recovery attempts, and Sludge Bomb 2HKOes with ease. Gengar also resists Hyper Voice so it can switch in fairly easily, Mega-Evolve, and KO Sylveon.

    **Steel and Poison Arceus**: Both formes resist Hyper Voice, are immune to Toxic, and pack a super effective STAB Judgment. Should they have Calm Mind, they can set up with impunity against Sylveon.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: Sylveon can't touch Steel-types, so most of them can switch in freely and set up on it, or just wreck it with their STAB attacks. Scizor, Aegislash, Bronzong, Jirachi, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and Excadrill all work nicely. Skarmory works too if it has Taunt.

    **Ho-Oh**: Ho-Oh can switch in on Sylveon with impunity and destroy it with Sacred Fire.

    **Bulky Setup Sweepers**: Setup sweepers that can take Hyper Voice can use Sylveon as setup bait. Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus are the most notable examples.

    **Powerful Physical Attackers**: Powerful physical attacks do a lot of damage to Sylveon due to its mediocre Defense. Groudon and Landorus-T are good examples since they have enough bulk to take a Hyper Voice or two on the switch.

    **Roar and Whirlwind**: These moves are annoying for Sylveon as they pierce Protect, which can prevent it from healing itself with Wish. Lugia, defensive Kyogre, and Groudon are notable examples of Pokemon that often carry these moves.
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    just in case nobody points this out don't forget to put the "Def" before "SpD"
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    Implemented, thanks!
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    Overview
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    Sylveon's cute and cuddly appearance belies an impressive ability to stand up to the monstrous special threats roaming the Ubers metagame. Packing an impressive base 130 Special Defense backed by base 95 HP, as well as access to coveted support moves such as Wish and Heal Bell, Sylveon works excellently as a wall and team supporter, holding back threats such as Palkia and Yveltal while providing invaluable cleric support. A Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice gives Sylveon a decent punch for a defensive Pokemon, ensuring it doesn't become setup bait for the threats that it is meant to check. That being said, Sylveon suffers from a mediocre Defense stat, and it cannot do much against trappers such as Mega Gengar and Wobbuffet, leaving it rather vulnerable. It also faces heavy competition from Xerneas, who which has equal or better stats in all categories and can also provide cleric support via Aromatherapy. However, Wish gives Sylveon an important edge that makes it much more of a team player than Xerneas. If you are in need of a bulky Fairy-type that can check prominent special attackers and provide invaluable cleric support, Sylveon certainly won't disappoint.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Hyper Voice
    ability: Pixilate
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    nature: Calm

    Moves
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    Thanks to its solid HP stat, Wish allows Sylveon to patch up its teammates that either need healing or are coming in to absorb an attack aimed at Sylveon. Combined with Protect, Wish also provides Sylveon with reliable recovery for itself. Protect also allows Sylveon to garner more Leftovers recovery and scout possible Choice attackers. Heal Bell cures Sylveon and its teammates of debilitating status conditions. Hyper Voice becomes a 117 Base Power STAB attack thanks to Pixilate, OHKOing Darkrai with ease while also doing about 70% damage to Palkia, Yveltal, and Mega Mewtwo X. Hyper Voice also pierces Substitute, making it useful against common users of the move such as Darkrai and Shaymin-S.

    Set Details
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    Always maximize HP and Special Defense, as Sylveon needs the investment to properly handle threats. To give an example of how specially bulky Sylveon is, Life Orb Yveltal cannot 2HKO Sylveon with any move. Sylveon is also a fine check to Palkia, as Lustrous Orb sets cannot 2HKO it, (spacing) assuming it is not raining. However, if it is raining, Hydro Pump or a Lustrous Orb-boosted Surf can potentially 2HKO Sylveon, so be careful. Does this mean Hydro Pump with no lustrous orb can 2HKO? If it does, be sure to add a bit of clarification However, Sylveon is not 2HKOed by Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre's Surf in the rain, allowing it to stall out the rain turns with Wish and Protect. Leftovers is the preferred item as the passive recovery goes well with Wish and Protect.

    Usage Tips
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    Sylveon should be used on balanced or stall teams that need a solid special wall and clerical support through Wish and Heal Bell. It makes a solid switch-in to threats such as Yveltal, Palkia, both Giratina formes, Darkrai, Kyurem-W, and Dialga lacking Flash Cannon, and it can also come in on defensive Pokemon such as support Arceus or Lugia and use Heal Bell or Wish. Sylveon can also check certain Fighting-types in an emergency—it can take one Stone Edge from Choice Scarf Terrakion and barely survives a +1 Mega Mewtwo X Psycho Cut at full health—but under no circumstances should it be relied upon to check these threats, as it has very mediocre Defense.

    Tread lightly with Sylveon around teams with Mega Gengar. If Sylveon is caught in a bad situation or on the wrong end of a double switch, Mega Gengar can trap Sylveon with Shadow Tag, (RC) and either cripple it with Taunt or , and snipe it with Sludge Bomb. If you don't have a Pursuit user on your team to get rid of Gengar as it Mega Evolves, be very careful with Sylveon once Gengar has Mega Evolved. Just so you know for the future, the hyphen is only used when "Mega-Evolved" is an adjective.

    Team Options
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    Mega Gengar is Sylveon's worst enemy, (AC) as it traps it easily and KOes it with Sludge Bomb, so packing a Pursuit user on your team to make Gengar less of a problem is highly advised. Mega Scizor is generally the best answer as it can come in easily on Taunt or Sludge Bomb and checkmate Gengar with Pursuit and/or Bullet Punch. As a bonus, Mega Scizor highly benefits from Sylveon's clerical support and can check dangerous sweepers that can set up on Sylveon, (AC) such as Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus. Mega Tyranitar can also Pursuit trap Gengar, although it is less reliable as Focus Blast will destroy it. Mega Tyranitar does have the advantage of checking Ho-Oh, which can easily come in on Sylveon. Rock and Water Arceus can also check Ho-Oh well and can burn physical attackers that might try to take advantage of Sylveon's low Defense. Support Arceus formes generally benefit greatly from Heal Bell to remove Toxic. Thanks to Multiscale, Lugia can take on all versions of Swords Dance Arceus, Geomancy Xerneas, and Ho-Oh, and it appreciates Sylveon's Heal Bell and ability to take on Dark-types.

    Sylveon can't touch Steel-types at all, (AC) so switch-ins to them are also highly recommended. Groudon and Landorus-T work excellently as both have no recovery of their own and thus highly appreciate Wish, as well as Heal Bell to cure them of possible burns. Do note that it is not recommended to use Gliscor, as Heal Bell hurts it by denying it a turn of Poison Heal recovery upon switching back into battle. Fire-types such as Ho-Oh and Heatran can also work well.

    Any Pokemon that relies on Rest for recovery loves Heal Bell support to cure them of sleep. As such, Kyogre and Giratina are solid partners:. Kyogre can take on most bulky Steel-types, and Giratina appreciates Sylveon's immunity to Dragon-type attacks and can take on Swords Dance Arceus, and both of them can handle Ho-Oh to an extent.


    Other Options
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    Shed Shell foils Mega Gengar, Sylveon's primary nemesis, by negating Shadow Tag, but losing the passive recovery of Leftovers reduces Sylveon's walling capabilities. If you are willing to forgo Heal Bell, Baton Pass is a nice momentum-preserving tool that makes Wish passing easier and can let Sylveon escape from predicted Mega Gengar switch-ins. Toxic enables Sylveon to outstall bulky tanks and cripple Ho-Oh on the switch, but it is generally not recommended as it doesn't do anything to the Steel- and Poison-types that comprise Sylveon's main checks. Yawn works as a sort of something of a phazing move and can be used to potentially put a check to sleep, but as a pure phazer, Xerneas is generally better. Shadow Ball 2HKOes Gengar on the switch and gets decent chip damage against Aegislash, Jirachi, and Bronzong, but it has little use otherwise.

    Sylveon does have access to Calm Mind and a large enough movepool to make use of Choice Specs, but Xerneas and Fairy Arceus highly outclass Sylveon at offensive roles, so these should never be seriously considered.


    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Mega Gengar**: By far Sylveon's best counter, as Shadow Tag prevents fleeing, Taunt shuts down recovery attempts, and Sludge Bomb 2HKOes with ease. Gengar also resists Hyper Voice so it can switch in fairly easily, Mega Evolve, and KO Sylveon.

    **Steel and Poison Arceus**: Both formes resist Hyper Voice, are immune to Toxic, and pack a super effective STAB Judgment. Should they have Calm Mind, they can set up with impunity against Sylveon.

    **Bulky Steel-types**: Sylveon can't touch Steel-types, so most of them can switch in freely and set up on it, or just wreck it with their STAB attacks. Scizor, Aegislash, Bronzong, Jirachi, Heatran, Ferrothorn, and Excadrill all work nicely. Skarmory works too if it has Taunt.

    **Ho-Oh**: Ho-Oh can switch in on Sylveon easily with impunity and destroy it with Sacred Fire.

    **Bulky Setup Sweepers**: Setup sweepers that don't fear can take Hyper Voice can use Sylveon as setup bait. Geomancy Xerneas and Swords Dance Arceus are the most notable examples.

    **Powerful Physical Attackers**: Powerful physical attacks do a lot of damage to Sylveon due to its mediocre Defense. Groudon and Landorus-T are good users of these as examples since they have enough bulk to take a Hyper Voice or two on the switch.

    **Roar and Whirlwind**: These moves are annoying for Sylveon as they pierce Protect, which can prevent it from healing itself with Wish. Lugia, defensive Kyogre, and Groudon are notable examples of Pokemon that often carry these moves.

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    Thanks for the check, this is done now!
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    honestly i was just curious about how Sylveon does in Ubers, but i sorta found this

    'Finally, Sylveon does have large enough movepool to make use of Choice Specs'

    I think you may have just misplaced that A fireburn (it was there before apparently)
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    I saw this and tried making this set. It took a bit but then I realized that it is impossible for Sylveon to have it's hidden ability, tutor moves, and wish without cheating.
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    It's not impossible, I had to figure it out also and you do it like this:
    • You get an Eevee with a Hidden Ability through the Dream World.
    • Once it is in B2W2, you chain breed wish onto it through a chain bred Skitty
    • The chain breeding works like this: Togetic (gets Wish via Level up)->Skitty->Eevee
    • You can then take this wish, Hidden Ability bred Eevee to the move tutor for Hyper Voice
    • You then transfer this Eevee to XY using the PokeTransporter
    • You then evolve this Eevee into Sylveon which will retain it's Hidden Ability and turn it into Pixilate and also have Wish and Hyper Voice.
    It's a process, but it can be done and I hope this helps you out :)

    Fireburn definitely did his homework on this one

    Sorry for taking up space for an unrelated topic Fireburn :(
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    Too bad dream worlds shut down. Guess I didn't have enough foresight
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    This would mean that you cannot use the pokemon in official Nintendo competitions, since the Global Link requires the pokemon to be found in Kalos.

    And i find the other ability better, since you can't learn hyper voice in XY naturally.

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