is everybody and their mother just running 252 Atk/252 Speed/4 Def Jolly on their talons? every opposing talonflame I've run into on PS! has always outsped me when we both attempt to Brave Bird, and it's getting rather old :( on a more serious note, these are the two Talon sets that I've been using Talonflame @ Leftovers Nature: Adamant Trait: Gale Wings 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Speed - Flare Blitz - Brave Bird - Roost - Bulk Up Talonflame @ Choice Band Nature: Adamant Trait: Gale Wings 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Speed - Flare Blitz - Brave Bird - Tailwind - U-turn I actually really prefer the former, as it sets up on Scizor with impunity and cushions things like Extremespeed and M-Kanga's Fake Out and can Roost off the recoil damage. Life Orb and Dance could murder things if I had a turn to set up, but I found myself killing Talonflame extremely quickly with all the recoil. the latter functions as a cleaner, tearing through a lot of weakened shit like a hot knife through butter, but I feel like the set could be just as effective if I took out every move that isn't Brave Bird (I think in 20 games I used U-turn once?) Naturally though, the best set by far is Swords Dance + Acrobatics + Flying Gem, though FG is unobtainable at the moment. I'm seeing a lot of people running Talon with no item just to emulate it which seems really subpar.