Tangela (UU Analysis)

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/tangela

[Overview]
<p>You may be wondering why Tangela would even be considered for use on any team when Tangrowth exists, especially since it's allowed in UU; however, Tangela's higher Speed and lower defenses make it an exceptional user of Sleep Powder and Endeavor. However, outside of that niche, Tangrowth will always be the better choice. Just don't be fooled by the innocent look of this ball of vines; if unprepared for, Tangela can leave many opponents in despair.</p>

[SET]
name: Sunny Day + Endeavor Lead
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Endeavor
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Leaf Storm / Energy Ball / SolarBeam
item: Focus Sash
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tangela is one of three Pokemon who have access to Endeavor, a sleep inducing move, and a way of patching up its poor Speed, the others being Smeargle and Tangrowth. Tangela's lower defenses and higher Speed make it a better Endeavor lead than Tangrowth, and Smeargle is not allowed in UU. The idea behind this set is to incapacitate the opposing lead with Sleep Powder, and then use Endeavor to weaken the switch-in. This is done by allowing the opposing lead to critically damage Tangela while it survives with its Focus Sash, then Sleep Powder is used to put them to sleep. As most opponents will switch out their lead, Tangela can use this turn to set up Sunny Day and double its Speed, and then follow up with a fast Endeavor to bring the switch-in to very low health. When faced with leads such as Omastar and Cloyster, it is usually better to just OHKO them with Leaf Storm before they can do anything.</p>

<p>Sunny Day, Endeavor, and Sleep Powder are obviously the crux of this set. Leaf Storm is the recommended Grass-type move, and is used to deal massive amounts of damage to Ghost-types who are immune to Endeavor, although Energy Ball can be used for reliable, consistent damage. SolarBeam is also an option, although the ability to OHKO Omastar and Cloyster without having to set up the sun is usually more appealing.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Fake Out leads such as Ambipom and Flame Orb Hariyama stop Tangela's strategy quite easily, as they can break its Focus Sash without Tangela being able to do anything. Ambipom can then KO Tangela with U-turn or Return, while Hariyama is immune to sleep thanks to its Flame Orb. Opposing sleep-inducing leads such as Venusaur and Jumpluff can also put Tangela to sleep before it can move. Leads who can Trick a Choice item onto Tangela, such as Mesprit and Uxie, will also mess it up. For these reasons, Choice Band Spiritomb is a fantastic teammate to Tangela, as it can switch into Fake Out from Ambipom and Trick from Mesprit and Uxie, and then Pursuit them as they flee; it also takes little damage from any of Hariyama's attacks. Choice Band Altaria and RestTalk Weezing also make excellent checks to Choice Scarf Venusaur or Jumpluff, as they can switch into Sleep Powder without too much trouble. Altaria can use Sleep Talk to pick a Choice Band boosted attack, while RestTalk Weezing does not mind being put to sleep at all.</p>

<p>Since Ghost-types are immune to Endeavor, Pokemon who can take them on easily are good teammates. Mixed Houndoom can switch into virtually all Ghost-types in UU and Pursuit them as they flee, or use Crunch to KO them if they are brave enough to stay in. Defensive Drapion is a good counter to Nasty Plot and Calm Mind Mismagius who could potentially set up on Tangela.</p>

<p>It is important to note that while Tangela is mostly using Sunny Day for itself, the weather still lasts for five turns, which is enough to be abused by yourself and your opponent alike. Houndoom and Flash Fire Arcanine are excellent teammates for this reason, as they are immune to Fire-type attacks, and receive boosted Fire-type attacks in the sun. Other Chlorophyll abusers can also take advantage of sunny weather; Shiftry, Exeggutor, Victreebel, and Tangrowth are all good examples.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Tangela can take advantage of its decent base 100 Special Attack and Chlorophyll to run a special sweeper set in the sun. SolarBeam, Hidden Power Fire, AncientPower, and Sleep Powder make Tangela quite difficult to switch into when the weather is sunny. However, Tangrowth and other Pokemon with Chlorophyll, such as Exeggutor and Victreebel, are usually better for this role. This is also the case for Choice Specs, which is outclassed by Tangrowth, and Choice Scarf, which is better done by Venusaur. Tangela also has access to Swords Dance, but its Attack stat is way too low to pull it off efficiently.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Tangela is difficult to counter if you do not have the right lead match-up. Ambipom and Flame Orb Hariyama defeat Tangela relatively easily, as do Choice Scarf Venusaur and TrickScarf Mesprit and Uxie. If you don't have any of these leads, however, then Ghost-types such as Mismagius and Spiritomb make good switch-ins to Tangela, as they are immune to Endeavor, although they need to avoid Leaf Storm. RestTalk Weezing and Altaria do not mind being put to sleep by Sleep Powder. Weezing can use Will-O-Wisp to break Tangela's Focus Sash, while Altaria can just set up Dragon Dance in its face.</p>
 

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Ok, let's get it out of QC. The Lead set works perfectly and has notable advantages over Tangrowth, so it's obviously approved; but I don't think the same about the Sunny Day set. Yeah, the extra Speed is always awesome to have, but the only things you're really outspeeding are Scarf Venusaur (who you don't OHKO), Scarf Blaziken (who you can't touch), and Scarf Rotom (valid one). As a tradeback, you miss a LOT on bulk, can't take the same amount of priority or a special attack, and can't create the doubt of special or physical attacker, which makes it much easier to counter. It isn't an awful sweeper on its own, but the other set it can use seems to be much better... I guess it's kinda the reason why Magmar doesn't get a mixed set even though it's faster than Magmortar. It might come off as if I'm rejecting this based on the fact Tangrowth does this set better, but I really think it isn't a good sweeper on its own, and something that one would never really use.

tl;dr: remove Special Attacker and approved.
 

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QC APPROVED 2/2
 
Just a nitpicky thing, but make note of Tangela's access to Sleep Powder in the Overview. I mean sure, it's something Tangrowth and Venusaur have, but it's still worth a mention b/c it's one of the best goddamn moves in UU.
 

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/tangela

[Overview]
<p>You be may be wondering why you would use Tangela when Tangrowth isn't used, even though it's allowed in UU;(semi colon) however, its Tangela's higher Speed, and lower defenses make it an exceptional user of Sleep Powder + and Endeavor user. If unprepared for, Tangela can be an unusually surprisingly powerful threat.</p>

[SET]
name: Sunny Day + Endeavor Lead
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Endeavor
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Leaf Storm / Energy Ball / SolarBeam
item: Focus Sash
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tangela is the only one of three Pokemon apart from Smeargle and Tangrowth who has access to Endeavor, a sleep inducing move,(comma) and a way of patching up its poor Speed, the others being Smeargle and Tangrowth. simultaneously. Due to its Tangela's lower defenses and higher Speed, Tangela is make it a better as an Endeavor lead than Tangrowth. The idea behind the set is to incapacitate the opposing lead with Sleep Powder, while using Endeavor to break down weaken the switch-in. This is done by allowing the opposing lead to critically damage Tangela while it survives on its Focus Sash, then while it is put to sleep by Sleep Powder is used to put them to sleep. As the most opponents will switch out their lead, Tangela will can use this turn to set up Sunny Day to and double its Speed, then use followed with Endeavor to bring the switch-in to very low health. Against When faced with leads like such as Omastar and Cloyster, it is usually just better to use OHKO them with Leaf Storm before they can do anything.</p>

<p>Sunny Day, Endeavor,(comma) and Sleep Powder are obviously the crux of the set. Leaf Storm is used to deal massive amounts of damage to Ghost-types that who are immune to Endeavor, although Energy Ball can be used for consistency. SolarBeam is also an option, although the ability to attack straight away and OHKO Omastar and Cloyster without having to set up the sun is usually more appealing.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Fake Out leads such as Ambipom and Flame Orb Hariyama stop Tangela quite easily, as they can break the its Focus Sash without Tangela being able to do anything. Ambipom can then KO Tangela with U-turn or Return, while Hariyama will be is immune to sleep due to thanks to itsFlame Orb. Opposing sleep-inducing leads such as Venusaur and Jumpluff can also put Tangela to sleep before it can move. Leads that who can Trick a Choice item onto Tangela such as Mesprit and Uxie will also mess it up. Choice Band Spiritomb is a fantastic teammate to Tangela,(comma) it can switch into Fake Out from Ambipom, or Trick from Mesprit and Uxie, and Pursuit them as they flee, while taking little damage from any of Hariyama's attacks. Choice Band Altaria or RestTalk Weezing also make excellent checks to Choice Scarf Venusaur or Jumpluff, as they can switch into Sleep Powder without too much trouble. Altaria can use Sleep Talk to pick a Choice Band boosted attack, while RestTalk Weezing does not mind being put to sleep.</p>

<p>Since Ghost-types are immune to Endeavor, Pokemon who take them on easily are good teammates. Mixed Houndoom can switch into virtually all Ghost-types in UU and Pursuit them as they flee, or use Crunch to KO them if they stay in. Defensive Drapion is a good counter to Nasty Plot and Calm Mind Mismagius who could potentially set up on Tangela.</p>

<p>It is important to note that while Tangela is mostly using Sunny Day for itself, Sunny Day still lasts for five turns, which is enough to be abused by yourself and your opponent alike. Houndoom and Flash Fire Arcanine are excellent teammates for this reason,(comma) they are immune to Fire-type attacks, and receive boosted Fire-type attacks in the sun. Other Chlorophyll abusers can also take advantage of sunny weather;(semi colon) Shiftry, Exeggutor, Victreebel, and Tangrowth are all good examples.</p>

[Team Options]
<p>Since Tangela is operating as a suicide lead, it does not usually need specialized team support. However, there are a few leads that it will have trouble dismantling. Choice Band Spiritomb handles most of them quite easily, being immune to Fake Out and effectively immune to Trick, easily defeats Ambipom, TrickScarf Mesprit, and Uxie. RestTalk Altaria and Weezing are good Sleep Talk fodder to switch into Choice Scarf Venusaur.</p>

<p>Opposing Pokemon with priority attacks stops Tangela when it is at 1HP, therefore Pokemon that can switch in on common priority moves make ideal teammates. Rhyperior can switch into Extremespeed, Sucker Punch and Fake Out easily and use its STAB attacks to cause major damage to the opposition. Uxie can take Vacuum Wave from Nasty Plot Toxicroak comfortably and OHKO with Psychic or Zen Headbutt.</p>


[Other Options]
<p>Tangela can take advantage of its decent base 100 Special Attack and Chlorophyll to run a special sweeper set in the sun. SolarBeam, Hidden Power Fire, Ancientpower,(comma) and Sleep Powder make Tangela quite difficult to switch into in when it is sunny. However, Tangrowth and other Pokemon with Chlorophyll, such as Exeggutor and Victreebel, are usually better for this role. This is also the case for Choice Specs, which is outclassed by Tangrowth, and Choice Scarf, which is better done by Venusaur. Tangela also has access to Swords Dance, but its Attack stat is way too low to pull it off efficiently.</p>

[Checks and Counters]
<p>Tangela is difficult to counter if you do not have the right lead match-up. Ambipom and Flame Orb Hariyama defeat Tangela relatively easily, as do Choice Scarf Venusaur and TrickScarf Mesprit and Uxie. If you do not have any of these leads, however, Ghost-types like such as Mismagius and Spiritomb can switch into Tangela, as they are immune to Endeavor, although they need to avoid taking a Leaf Storm to the face. RestTalk Weezing and Altaria do not mind being put to sleep by Sleep Powder. Weezing can use Will-O-Wisp to break Tangela's Focus Sash, while Altaria can just set up Dragon Dance in its face.</p>

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[Overview]
<p>You may be wondering why Tangrowth isn't used instead, especially since even though it's allowed in UU; however, Tangela's higher Speed and lower defenses make it an exceptional user of Sleep Powder and Endeavor. If unprepared for, Tangela can be surprisingly powerful leave many opponents in despair.</p>

[SET]
name: Sunny Day + Endeavor Lead
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Endeavor
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Leaf Storm / Energy Ball / SolarBeam
item: Focus Sash
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 0 HP / 0 Def / 0 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tangela is one of three Pokemon who have has access to Endeavor, a sleep inducing move, and a way of patching up its poor Speed, the others being Smeargle and Tangrowth. Due to Tangela's lower defenses and higher Speed make it a better as an Endeavor lead than Tangrowth. The idea behind the this set is to incapacitate the opposing lead with Sleep Powder, while using Endeavor to break down weaken the switch-in. This is done by allowing the opposing lead to critically damage Tangela while it survives on with its Focus Sash, then Sleep Powder is used to put them to sleep. As most opponents will switch out their lead, Tangela can use this turn to set up Sunny Day and double its Speed, followed with a fast Endeavor to bring the switch-in to very low health. When faced with leads such as Omastar and Cloyster, it is usually just better to just use OHKO them with Leaf Storm before they can do anything.</p>

<p>Sunny Day, Endeavor, and Sleep Powder are obviously the crux of the this set. Leaf Storm is used to deal massive amounts of damage to Ghost-types who are immune to Endeavor, although Energy Ball can be used for consistency reliable, consistent damage. SolarBeam is also an option, although the ability to OHKO Omastar and Cloyster without having to set up the sun is usually more appealing.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Fake Out leads such as Ambipom and Flame Orb Hariyama stop Tangela quite easily, as they can break its Focus Sash without Tangela being able to do anything. Ambipom can then KO Tangela with U-turn or Return, while Hariyama is immune to sleep thanks to its Flame Orb. Opposing sleep-inducing leads such as Venusaur and Jumpluff can also put Tangela to sleep before it can move. Leads who can Trick a Choice item onto Tangela, such as Mesprit and Uxie, will also mess it up. Choice Band Spiritomb is a fantastic teammate to Tangela, it can switch into Fake Out from Ambipom, Trick from Mesprit and Uxie, and Pursuit them as they flee; it also takes while taking little damage from any of Hariyama's attacks. Choice Band Altaria or and RestTalk Weezing also make excellent checks to Choice Scarf Venusaur or Jumpluff, as they can switch into Sleep Powder without too much trouble. Altaria can use Sleep Talk to pick a Choice Band boosted attack, while RestTalk Weezing does not mind being put to sleep at all.</p>

<p>Since Ghost-types are immune to Endeavor, Pokemon who can take them on easily are good teammates. Mixed Houndoom can switch into virtually all Ghost-types in UU and Pursuit them as they flee, or use Crunch to KO them if they stay in. Defensive Drapion is a good counter to Nasty Plot and Calm Mind Mismagius who could potentially set up on Tangela.</p>

<p>It is important to note that while Tangela is mostly using Sunny Day for itself, Sunny Day the weather effect still lasts for five turns, which is enough to be abused by yourself and your opponent alike. Houndoom and Flash Fire Arcanine are excellent teammates for this reason, as they are immune to Fire-type attacks, and receive boosted Fire-type attacks in the sun. Other Chlorophyll abusers can also take advantage of sunny weather; Shiftry, Exeggutor, Victreebel, and Tangrowth are all good examples.</p>

[Other Options]
<p>Tangela can take advantage of its decent base 100 Special Attack and Chlorophyll to run a special sweeper set in the sun. SolarBeam, Hidden Power Fire, AncientPower, and Sleep Powder make Tangela quite difficult to switch into when it is sunny. However, Tangrowth and other Pokemon with Chlorophyll, such as Exeggutor and Victreebel, are usually better for this role. This is also the case for Choice Specs, which is outclassed by Tangrowth, and Choice Scarf, which is better done by Venusaur. Tangela also has access to Swords Dance, but its Attack stat is way too low to pull it off efficiently.</p>

[Checks and Counters]
<p>Tangela is difficult to counter if you do not have the right lead match-up. Ambipom and Flame Orb Hariyama defeat Tangela relatively easily, as do Choice Scarf Venusaur and TrickScarf Mesprit and Uxie. If you do not have any of these leads, however, then Ghost-types such as Mismagius and Spiritomb make good switch-ins to can switch into Tangela, as they are immune to Endeavor, although they need to avoid Leaf Storm. RestTalk Weezing and Altaria do not mind being put to sleep by Sleep Powder. Weezing can use Will-O-Wisp to break Tangela's Focus Sash, while Altaria can just set up Dragon Dance in its face.</p>


nicely done, be careful when implementing checks however!



EDIT: what YaM has spotted has been edited in as well
 
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[Overview]

If unprepared for, Tangela can leave many opponents in despair.</p>

[SET COMMENTS]

When faced with leads such as Omastar and Cloyster, it is usually better to just use OHKO them with Leaf Storm before they can do anything.</p>
 

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I just expanded upon the writing in a couple of places.

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