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Tauros GP 2/2 DONE

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Danilo, May 14, 2012.

  1. Danilo

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    [Overview]

    <p>Although not as devastating as it was in RBY, Tauros is still a threat to be reckoned with in ADV. With a good Attack stat and a great Speed stat, Tauros functions extremely well as a late-game cleaner on offensive teams. Intimidate, an excellent ability on any sweeper, gives Tauros more opportunities to switch in and ravage the opponent's teams. Unfortunately, Tauros's pros end here. Skarmory and Forretress, both common Pokemon in ADV, completely wall Tauros and can set up entry hazards while taking little damage from any of its moves. Additionally, Tauros has a shallow physical movepool and has to rely on Hidden Power to get past most of its checks. Don't let these faults deter you from using Tauros though, as it can easily sweep through teams once Skarmory and Forretress are eliminated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Return / Double-Edge
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ghost
    move 4: Iron Tail
    item: Choice Band
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>If you're looking for an excellent late-game cleaner, look no further; Tauros runs through unprepared teams with little effort, and even prepared teams still have difficulties with it. Thanks to its base 100 Attack stat and the Choice Band boost, Tauros's STAB Return is sure to dent anything that doesn't resist it. Double-Edge serves as an alternative to Return; it hits significantly harder, but causes recoil damage. Earthquake is the secondary move of choice as it allows Tauros to combat the likes of Metagross, Tyranitar, and Jirachi, who all do not fear STAB Return. Hidden Power Ghost hits Gengar, one of the most common and powerful Pokemon in ADV, for super effective damage. Finally, Iron Tail is a legitimate option to hit Aerodactyl, a Pokemon that can switch into most of Tauros's moves with relative ease.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is rather simple; maximize Attack to make Tauros hit as hard as possible and maximize Speed to ensure Tauros can outpace as many Pokemon as possible. Choice Band is easily the best option for Tauros as it hits incredibly hard with the aforementioned item. An Adamant nature is a viable alternative to a Jolly one as Tauros already outspeeds most of the ADV metagame.</p>

    <p>Tauros's best teammates are Pokemon that can eliminate the likes of Forretress and Skarmory. Magneton is easily Tauros's best partner as it can not only prevent Skarmory and Forretress from switching out, but also OHKO them with Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Fire, respectively. Snorlax and Salamence with Fire Blast and Metagross with ThunderPunch or Hidden Power Fire can surprise the aforementioned Steel-types, who might expect a boosting move or a resisted STAB move.</p>

    <p>Other good partners are physical attackers that can break through the defenses of Forretress and Skarmory. Choice Band Medicham can 2HKO the aforementioned Steel-types with a little bit of prior damage, which might enable Tauros to sweep later in the game. Choice Band Slaking with Focus Punch also works similarly to Medicham by breaking through Steel-types with relative ease. Additionally, powerful special attackers, such as Zapdos and Jirachi, also make quick work of Forretress and Skarmory with Thunderbolt and Fire Punch, respectively.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Unfortunately, Tauros doesn't have much of a movepool it can make use of. Double-Edge is one of the only viable options, and it can be used over Return if you want the extra power. The last slot on the Choice Band set is mostly filler, so Sleep Talk can go in the slot to make Tauros a makeshift sleep absorber. This can be particularly helpful on more offensive teams that will commonly lack a more reliable sleep absorber or cleric. A Substitute set with Leftovers could work, but Tauros is better off with Choice Band. As Tauros's physical movepool is so mediocre, it should just stick with the moves mentioned on the set. Body Slam is useful for paralyzing opponents, but Tauros doesn't really need the paralysis support as it's so fast.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>As mentioned before, Forretress and Skarmory are the most common and best checks to Tauros; they take little damage from Tauros's moves bar Fire Blast and can set up Spikes to give their team the upper hand. Jirachi and Metagross can switch in on a predicted Return and proceed to hit back with Fire Punch and Meteor Mash, respectively. Although uncommon, Regirock and Registeel take little from Return, and can set up with Curse and proceed to do a number to your opponent's team. Dusclops, a staple on many stall teams, takes little damage from any of Tauros's moves bar Hidden Power Ghost, and can burn it with Will-O-Wisp.</p>

    <p>If you lack Skarmory or Forretress, it's important to switch in your Pokemon that resist Normal moves on Return and try to defeat Tauros that way. Although Tauros is somewhat bulky, it can still be revenge killed by Dugtrio, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Gengar, and even Alakazam. Tauros is a dangerous and underrated threat so you need to perform well in order to bring it down.</p>
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    IMO Magneton with HP Fire should be listed as a set partner to trap Skarm and Forry and open the opponent up for a Tauros sweep. I'm not on like any team or anything - i just thought I'd offer some input.
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    Ah how could i have forgotten Magneton? Adding
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    tyranitar almost never uses fire blast, i would remove this part

    remove toxic from other options, no reason to use it

    i would emphasize the need to use magneton on a team with tauros. tauros is almost completely useless with skarm around
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    i didn't remove the fire blast t-tar part because it's becoming a lot more common. most of the sets that run Pursuit also run Fire Blast and there have been an increase in Pursuit using Tyranitar lately. Implemented everything else!
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    Out of curiosity, why is Naive slashed in for nature on Tauros? Hidden Power Ghost is physical in Advance and if it was special, you definitely wouldn't be doing much off 40 base special attack.

    I'd mention Sleep Talk as an alternate option.. probably not worthy of slashing into a set but... can be worth while as a sleep absorber if you're going hyper offensive with your team as a whole. The last slot is pretty much filler, anyway.

    The second sentence in the set comments starts and ends with "this bull" so may want to revise that.

    Dusclops is another pretty reliable counter if you want to mention it. Usually paired with spikes, so that's another annoyance for Tauros.
  7. Danilo

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    sorry about the naive thing, i forgot to remove it when i removed fire blast as the primary option. I've tried sleep talk and it was terrible so i really dont want to add it. ill add dusclops
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    Like g80 said, putting a big emphasis for Maggy as it's almost Tauros condition of existence considering Skarm/Forry being everywhere.
    Also I'd put Adamant as an option for Nature since you already outspeed most of the meta and extra power in adv is always useful.

    maybe changing that "Tauros isn't incredibily bulky either" line? I mean he actually can take a few physical hits with 95 def, plus Intimidate. Not saying he's that bulky, but still, kinda better than, idk, Ursaring (just another BLmon comparison)?

    Anyway not really much to add, limited movepool and blatantly obvious way to play.
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    added suggestions. i think this is now ready for approval!
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    tried sleep talk with rest or sleep talk on the cb set? because i meant the latter.
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    d-e should be slashed with return. i don't think it's worth losing iron tail for the times you may have to hit ttar/aero and possible flying types without switching out.
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    I'm doubtful about Tyranitar actually being a good teammate... if you think it through, sandstorm will only get you less life. Imagine you're using Tauros with its friend Magneton and you get to kill Skarmory. You still have one layer of Spikes in your field. Every turn you come in with Tauros, you're basically obligated to predict a ghost or a normal resist and lose the hazard damage plus 6% from the sandstorm. Maybe Metagross could be mentioned as a good partner, since you can shut some of Tauros' counters down with some special 'gimmicky' move, and open a hole here and there with Explosion(all this and you won't have 2 mons weak to fight moves).

    I don't know, just something to think about...
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    I agree with DM, Tauros hates sand, I wouldnt mention t-tar as a good partner.
    Also, you should mention magneton after this sentence
    95% of good teams with Tauros will also have a magneton, and when you say that the best teammates can eliminate Forry and Skarm, magneton is the best by far at doing that
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    this is updated
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    Uh I am no grammar master here, but I believe you mean Tauros with Magneton, not Magneton with Magneton.
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    You mention magneton twice!
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    Maybe mention Body Slam in Other Options?

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    Good job.
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    Body Slam is cool and i'll add to OO. Ready for one more!
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    Looks good, son, GP check time

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    Woah woah woah, hang on-

    You mean HP Fire there son.
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    No I don't. Metagross rarely carries both of the aforementioned elemental punches.
    edit: Whoops, sorry, made a mistake. Was under the impression that Metagross actually got Fire Punch xD. Thanks for the good catch!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Although not as devastating as it was in RBY, Tauros is still a threat to be reckoned with in ADV. With a good Attack stat and a great Speed stat, Tauros can functions extremely well as a late-(add hyphen)game cleaner on offensive teams. With Intimidate, an excellent ability on any sweeper, gives Tauros is given more opportunities to switch in and ravage the opponent's teams. Unfortunately, Tauros's pros end here. Skarmory and Forretress, both common Pokemon in ADV, completely wall Tauros and can set up entry hazards while taking little damage from any of its STAB moves. Additionally, Tauros has a tiny shallow physical movepool and has to rely on Hidden Powers to get past most of its checks. Don't let these faults deter you from using this bull Tauros though, as it can easily sweep through teams once Skarmory and<space>/<space>or Forretress are eliminated.</p>

    [SET]
    set: Choice Band
    move 1: Return / Double-Edge
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ghost
    move 4: Iron Tail
    item: Choice Band
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>If you're looking for an excellent late-(add hyphen)game cleaner, look no further than Tauros. This bull Tauros can runs through unprepared teams with little effort and prepared teams will still have difficulty with Tauros it. STAB Return coming off a high from a base 100 Attack stat and a Choice Band is sure to hit hard against anything that doesn't resist it. Double-Edge serves as an alternative to Return; it hits significantly harder but causes recoil damage. Earthquake is the secondary move of choice as it allows Tauros to combat the likes of Metagross<space>,<space>Tyranitar, and Jirachi, all Pokemon that have nothing to fear from a STAB Return. Hidden Power Ghost is useful for hitsting Gengar, one of the most common and powerful Pokemon in ADV, for super effective damage. Finally, Double-Edge serves as an alternative to Return in the last moveslot, hitting significantly harder than Return at the cost of recoil. Iron Tail is a legitimate option for to hitting Aerodactly Aerodactyl, a Pokemon that can switch into most of Tauros's moves with relative ease.<space></p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is rather simple; maximize Attack to make Tauros hit as hard as possible and maximize Speed with a Speed-boosting nature to ensure Tauros can outpace as many Pokemon as possible. Choice Band is easily the best option for Tauros as the bull it hits incredibly hard with the aforementioned item. An Adamant nature isf a viable alternative to Jolly because as Tauros already outspeeds most of the ADV metagame.</p>

    <p>Most of Tauros's best teammates are Pokemon that can eliminate the likes of Forretress and Skarmory. Magneton is easily Tauros's best partner as not only can it prevent Skarmory and Forretress from switching out, but it can also it OHKO them Skarmory and Forretress with Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Fire, respectively, it can also prevent them from switching out. Snorlax and Salamence with Fire Blast and Metagross with ThunderPunch or Hidden Power Fire can surprise the aforementioned Steel-types expecting a boosting or resisted move Body Slam or Return. Salamence can defeat Skarmory and Forretress with Fire Blast as the aforementioned Steel-types switch in expecting a Dragon Dance or Hidden Power Flying. Metagross with Thunder Punch or Hidden Power Fire can also surprise the aforementioned Steel-types with the previously mentioned elemental punch or Hidden Power.</p>

    <p>Other Tauros partners are physical attackers that can break through the defenses of Forretress and Skarmory. Choice Band Medicham can 2HKO the aforementioned Steel-types with a little bit of prior damage, enabling Tauros to sweep later in the game. Choice Band Slaking with Focus Punch also works similarly to Medicham, breaking through Steel-types with relative ease. Additionall, powerful special attackers like such as Zapdos and Jirachi also make quick work of Forretress and Zapdos Skarmory, with Thunderbolt and Fire Punch, respectively.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Unfortunately, Tauros doesn't have much of a movepool it can make use of. Double-Edge is one of the only viable options and it can be used over Return if you want the extra power. A Substitute set with Leftovers could be okay but you're Tauros is better off with Choice Band. Since Because Tauros's physical movepool is so mediocre, you it should just stick with the moves mentioned on the set. Body Slam is useful for paralyzing things, but, Tauros doesn't really need the paralysis support since as it's so fast.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>As mentioned a bunch before, Forretress and Skarmory are the most common and best checks to Tauros. They take little from Tauro's moves the bull,bar Fire Blast<You didn't mention this move in OO, how about doing so?~>, and can set up Spikes for you, which givesing you an incremental advantage over your opponent the upper hand. If you run Forretress or Skarmory, Tauros is completely useless for your opponent and you gain an incremental advantage every time your opponent sends out the bull. Jirachi and Metagross can switch in on a predicted Return and proceed to hit back with Fire Punch or and Meteor Mash, respectively. Although uncommon, Regirock and Registeel take little from Return, can set up with Curses, and proceed to do a number to your opponent's team. Dusclops, a staple on many stall teams, takes little damage from any of Tauros's moves, bar Hidden Power Ghost, and can burn the bull it with Will-O-Wisp. Remember, when playing against Tauros without a Skarmory or Forretress it's important to get in your Normal-type resist on a Return and try to defeat Tauros that way. Although Tauros is somewhat bulky, you can still break through exploit the bull's its decent defensive stats, so and revenge killing the bull it with a Dugtrio, Aerodactly Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Gengar, or and even Alakazam is effective. Tauros is a dangerous and underrated threat so you need to be performing well if you want to compete against defeat it.</p>

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    [Overview]

    <p>Although not as devastating as it was in RBY, Tauros is still a threat to be reckoned with in ADV. With a good Attack stat and a great Speed stat, Tauros functions extremely well as a late-game cleaner on offensive teams. Intimidate, an excellent ability on any sweeper, gives Tauros more opportunities to switch in and ravage the opponent's teams. Unfortunately, Tauros's pros end here. Skarmory and Forretress, both common Pokemon in ADV, completely wall Tauros and can set up entry hazards while taking little damage from any of its moves. Additionally, Tauros has a shallow physical movepool and has to rely on Hidden Power to get past most of its checks. Don't let these faults deter you from using Tauros though, as it can easily sweep through teams once Skarmory and / or Forretress are eliminated.</p>

    [SET]
    set: Choice Band
    move 1: Return / Double-Edge
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ghost
    move 4: Iron Tail
    item: Choice Band
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>If you're looking for an excellent late-game cleaner, look no further; Tauros runs through unprepared teams with little effort and prepared teams still have difficulties with it. STAB Return coming from a base 100 Attack stat and a Choice Band is sure to hit hard anything that doesn't resist it. Double-Edge serves as an alternative to Return; it hits significantly harder but causes recoil damage. Earthquake is the secondary move of choice as it allows Tauros to combat the likes of Metagross, Tyranitar, and Jirachi, all Pokemon that have nothing to fear from a STAB Return. Hidden Power Ghost hits Gengar, one of the most common and powerful Pokemon in ADV, for super effective damage. Finally, Iron Tail is a legitimate option to hit Aerodactyl, a Pokemon that can switch into most of Tauros's moves with relative ease.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is rather simple; maximize Attack to make Tauros hit as hard as possible and maximize Speed to ensure Tauros can outpace as many Pokemon as possible. Choice Band is easily the best option for Tauros as it hits incredibly hard with the aforementioned item. An Adamant nature is a viable alternative to Jolly as Tauros already outspeeds most of the ADV metagame.</p>

    <p>Tauros's best teammates are Pokemon that can eliminate the likes of Forretress and Skarmory. Magneton is easily Tauros's best partner as not only can it prevent Skarmory and Forretress from switching out, but it can also OHKO them with Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Fire, respectively. Snorlax and Salamence with Fire Blast and Metagross with ThunderPunch or Hidden Power Fire can surprise the aforementioned Steel-types expecting a boosting —Dragon Dance— or resisted —Body Slam, Return and Hidden Power Flying— move.</p>

    <p>Other Tauros partners are physical attackers that can break through the defenses of Forretress and Skarmory. Choice Band Medicham can 2HKO the aforementioned Steel-types with a little bit of prior damage, enabling Tauros to sweep later in the game. Choice Band Slaking with Focus Punch also works similarly to Medicham, breaking through Steel-types with relative ease. Additionall, powerful special attackers such as Zapdos and Jirachi also make quick work of Forretress and Skarmory, with Thunderbolt and Fire Punch, respectively.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Unfortunately, Tauros doesn't have much of a movepool it can make use of. Double-Edge is one of the only viable options and it can be used over Return if you want the extra power. A Substitute set with Leftovers could be okay but Tauros is better off with Choice Band. Because Tauros's physical movepool is so mediocre, it should just stick with the moves mentioned on the set. Body Slam is useful for paralyzing things, but, Tauros doesn't really need the paralysis support as it's so fast.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>As mentioned before, Forretress and Skarmory are the most common and best checks to Tauros. They take little from Tauro's moves, bar Fire Blast, and can set up Spikes, which gives you the upper hand. Jirachi and Metagross can switch in on a predicted Return and proceed to hit back with Fire Punch and Meteor Mash, respectively. Although uncommon, Regirock and Registeel take little from Return, can set up with Curse, and proceed to do a number to your opponent's team. Dusclops, a staple on many stall teams, takes little damage from any of Tauros's moves, bar Hidden Power Ghost, and can burn it with Will-O-Wisp. Remember, when playing against Tauros without a Skarmory or Forretress it's important to get in your Normal-type resist on a Return and try to defeat Tauros that way. Although Tauros is somewhat bulky, you can still break through its defensive stats, and revenge kill it with Dugtrio, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Gengar, and even Alakazam. Tauros is a dangerous and underrated threat so you need to perform well if you want to defeat it.</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>Although not as devastating as it was in RBY, Tauros is still a threat to be reckoned with in ADV. With a good Attack stat and a great Speed stat, Tauros functions extremely well as a late-game cleaner on offensive teams. Intimidate, an excellent ability on any sweeper, gives Tauros more opportunities to switch in and ravage the opponent's teams. Unfortunately, Tauros's pros end here. Skarmory and Forretress, both common Pokemon in ADV, completely wall Tauros and can set up entry hazards while taking little damage from any of its moves. Additionally, Tauros has a shallow physical movepool and has to rely on Hidden Power to get past most of its checks. Don't let these faults deter you from using Tauros though, as it can easily sweep through teams once Skarmory and Forretress are eliminated.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Band
    move 1: Return / Double-Edge
    move 2: Earthquake
    move 3: Hidden Power Ghost
    move 4: Iron Tail
    item: Choice Band
    nature: Jolly / Adamant
    evs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>If you're looking for an excellent late-game cleaner, look no further; Tauros runs through unprepared teams with little effort, and even prepared teams still have difficulties with it. Thanks to its base 100 Attack stat and the Choice Band boost, Tauros's STAB Return is sure to dent anything that doesn't resist it. Double-Edge serves as an alternative to Return; it hits significantly harder but causes recoil damage (does it gain any significant KOs?). Earthquake is the secondary move of choice as it allows Tauros to combat the likes of Metagross, Tyranitar, and Jirachi, who all do not fear STAB Return. Hidden Power Ghost hits Gengar, one of the most common and powerful Pokemon in ADV, for super effective damage. Finally, Iron Tail is a legitimate option to hit Aerodactyl, a Pokemon that can switch into most of Tauros's moves with relative ease.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is rather simple; maximize Attack to make Tauros hit as hard as possible and maximize Speed to ensure Tauros can outpace as many Pokemon as possible. Choice Band is easily the best option for Tauros as it hits incredibly hard with the aforementioned item. An Adamant nature is a viable alternative to a Jolly one as Tauros already outspeeds most of the ADV metagame (who does this make tauros lose to?).</p>

    <p>Tauros's best teammates are Pokemon that can eliminate the likes of Forretress and Skarmory. Magneton is easily Tauros's best partner as it can not only prevent Skarmory and Forretress from switching out, but also OHKO them with Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Fire, respectively. Snorlax and Salamence with Fire Blast and Metagross with ThunderPunch or Hidden Power Fire can surprise the aforementioned Steel-types who might expect a boosting move or a resisted STAB move.</p>

    <p>Other good partners to Tauros are physical attackers that can break through the defenses of Forretress and Skarmory. Choice Band Medicham can 2HKO the aforementioned Steel-types with a little bit of prior damage, which might enable Tauros to sweep later in the game. Choice Band Slaking with Focus Punch also works similarly to Medicham by breaking through Steel-types with relative ease. Additionally, powerful special attackers, such as Zapdos and Jirachi, also make quick work of Forretress and Skarmory with Thunderbolt and Fire Punch, respectively.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Unfortunately, Tauros doesn't have much of a movepool it can make use of. Double-Edge is one of the only viable options, and it can be used over Return if you want the extra power. A Substitute set with Leftovers could work, but Tauros is better off with Choice Band. As Tauros's physical movepool is so mediocre, it should just stick with the moves mentioned on the set. Body Slam is useful for paralyzing opponents, but, Tauros doesn't really need the paralysis support as it's so fast.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>As mentioned before, Forretress and Skarmory are the most common and best checks to Tauros; they take little from Tauros's moves bar Fire Blast and can set up Spikes to give their team the upper hand. Jirachi and Metagross can switch in on a predicted Return and proceed to hit back with Fire Punch and Meteor Mash, respectively. Although uncommon, Regirock and Registeel take little from Return, and can set up with Curse and proceed to do a number to your opponent's team. Dusclops, a staple on many stall teams, takes little damage from any of Tauros's moves bar Hidden Power Ghost, and can burn it with Will-O-Wisp.</p>

    <p>If you lack Skarmory or Forretress (reread this bit to make sure i didn't change your meaning please!), it's important to switch in your Pokemon that resist Normal moves on Return and try to defeat Tauros that way. Although Tauros is somewhat bulky, it can still be revenge killed by Dugtrio, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Gengar, and even Alakazam. Tauros is a dangerous and underrated threat so you need to perform well in order to bring it down.</p>


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