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Metagame TechniciMons - XY Edition

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by simsims2800, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. Gerard

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    Actually Gallade is better with his Bulk Up set thanks to great SpD and boosted Shadow Sneak and using Drain Punch to recover health (A sweeping set should use Swords Dance)
  2. simsims2800

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    Should I keep Technician Archeops? Vote Y/N
  3. SpartanMalice

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    Yes. It's not that OP, and anything faster can revenge kill it.
  4. simsims2800

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    Bumping because this can't get to page 2 and become ignored. I won't let it.
  5. SpartanMalice

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    Well, you need to get it implemented if anyone wants to play it.
  6. Nozzle

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    No, I don't want a centralizing meta.
  7. SpartanMalice

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    Here are some things that can take out Archeops instantly:

    252 Atk Life Orb Technician Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 343-406 (117.86 - 139.51%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Expert Belt Technician Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 317-374 (108.93 - 128.52%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Expert Belt Technician Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 334-396 (114.77 - 136.08%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Life Orb Technician Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 361-429 (124.05 - 147.42%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Lucario Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 354-421 (121.64 - 144.67%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 306-362 (105.15 - 124.39%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Sharpedo Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 374-445 (128.52 - 152.92%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Mystic Water Technician Feraligatr Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 318-374 (109.27 - 128.52%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    OHKO'd priority even without Life Orb as you can see thanks to Technician. It was a 2HKO by 10% before. Weavile's also faster and can OHKO with Ice Punch even without Technician. As for Mach Punch, Conkeldurr and Breloom can take out at least 60% of its health, but they probably won't survive the acrobatics, Breloom won't, Conk, maybe if it's lost the gem, it probably may if you invested enough in bulk but I doubt it.

    Here's Starmie, who's faster:

    Hydro Pump: 207.21 - 244.67% Ice Beam: 109.96 - 129.55% Thunderbolt: 109.96 - 129.55%

    And some more faster pokemon:

    252 SpA Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Rock vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Archeops: 244-289 (83.84 - 99.31%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    252 SpA Choice Specs Tornadus Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Archeops: 271-319 (93.12 - 109.62%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    252 Atk Dugtrio Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 226-266 (77.66 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    252+ SpA Life Orb Raikou Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Archeops: 577-681 (198.28 - 234.02%) -- guaranteed OHKO HP Ice: 126.11 - 148.45%

    (note that the HP Ice used is 60 BP so it can benefit from Technician, useful in situations where the opponent has a ground type)

    That being said though, anything with a base speed lower than 110 and not scarfed is done for. Overall, considering that this meta powers up priority moves, most of which KO this guy, I don't think he's that OP, but that's just my opinion.
  8. bobbyvaporeon

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    Focus Blast and Stone edge are Banned in this meta, and I would probably use Charge Beam on Raikou for that Sexy Special Attack boost.
  9. SpartanMalice

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    Oh yeah forgot that. Well then Rock Slide only 2HKOs so you'd have to rely on the flinch chance, alternatively Rock Tomb to slow it down for another pokemon to take it out. Charge Beam's a good alternative I suppose since it also KOs.

    252+ SpA Life Orb Technician Raikou Charge Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Archeops: 460-541 (158.07 - 185.91%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    And Tornadus can forego Focus Blast for HP fighting actually since it has good coverage otherwise, and Technician 60 BP Hp fighting is 90 BP, close to Aura Sphere.

    252+ SpA Life Orb Technician Tornadus Hidden Power Fighting vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Archeops: 194-229 (66.66 - 78.69%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

    But this is considering he runs modest rather than speed, so if Archeops is running Jolly, he still probably has the upper hand. Alternatively Mixed Tornadus can use either HP fighting or Smack Down, and physical Tornadus can use Smack Down.

    4 Atk Life Orb Technician Tornadus Smack Down vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 226-268 (77.66 - 92.09%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    252 Atk Life Orb Technician Tornadus Smack Down vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 278-328 (95.53 - 112.71%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    Also, speaking of Tornadus, should Thundurus-I be allowed ? I mean Prankster and a better typing than Tornadus-I is the reason it was OP before... Not sure about Tornadus-T though.
  10. The Immortal

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    I have implemented it on Joim's Lab.

    ps: you have to select legal abilities for the purpose of checking legality. it automatically changes the ability to technician.
  11. simsims2800

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    Guys, if you want to upload replays, feel free. I won't be posting much on this because I'm working on a much bigger project, however.
  12. simsims2800

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    I'll start unbanning some Ubers. Blaziken, Excadrill, Manaphy, Thundurus-I, and Tornadus-T are all unbanned at the moment. Genesect will be suspect tested.
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    Some Pokes were made Ubers because of either their abilities, their ability to abuse other Pokes' abilities, or both. Thus, Blaziken, Excadrill, Landorus-I, Manaphy, Thundurus-I, and Tornadus-T are unbanned. Genesect is going to be suspect tested. Let me know what you guys think.
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    I have updated with the unbans, including Genesect. :)

    Personally, I don't feel it should be banned as Download is what caused it to be too strong.
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  15. Laga

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    hmm Manaphy is still really powerful though, as pure water typing is good defensively, and it has access to both Calm Mind and Tail Glow. I am not sure if unbanning it is that good of an idea...
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    I agree. Technician Water Pulse is pretty powerful, Manaphy can also abuse 60bp Hidden Powers and the likes, and along with Tail Glow and 100s in every stat, it is going to be a challenge to get around.
  17. simsims2800

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    Bumping this. I know it's not that popular, but I really want it to become more popular and played.
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    Necro

    Whenever this meta gets picked up for XY again, here are the notable changes and additions. Technician BP in (brackets)

    First up BP changes
    Air Cutter - 55 (82.5) to 60 (90) - slight power fuff, and crits are much easier to abuse this gen
    Assurance - 50 (75) to 60 (90) - now much more solid competition for best physical Dark move
    Frost Breath - 40 (60) to 60 (90) - even with crits only doing 1.5x damage, this is still a buff to an effective 135 BP
    Fury Cutter - 20 (30) to 40 (60) - power progression is now 60-80-160, increasing its viability
    Heat Wave - 100 to 95 - drops under 100 BP, making it now legal in the meta
    Hex - 50 (75) to 65 - ghosts lose a viable STAB move
    Incinerate - 30 (45) to 60 (90) - now a viable Fire move with the added bonus of burning away berries
    Low Sweep - 60 (90) to 65 - a huge blow to Fighting-types, as this was their go-to STAB
    Pin Missile - 14 (21) to 25 (37.5) - joins the multitudes of powerful multi-hit attacks at an average 112.5 BP, and takes the throne of best physical Bug STAB
    Rock Tomb - 50 (75) to 60 (90) - straight buff
    Storm Throw - 40 (60) to 60 (90) - see Frost Breath
    Struggle Bug - 30 (45) to 50 (75) - with guaranteed SpA drop, this is now the special Bug STAB of choice
    Thief - 40 (60) to 60 (90) - adding to the crowded pool of physical Dark STABs, now with item stealing fun!

    Notable new additions
    Draining Kiss - 50 (75) - with 75% drain, this is the best special Fairy STAB
    Parabolic Charge - 50 (75) - 50% drain Electric attack
    Power-Up Punch - 40 (60) - increases Attack one stage, now with somewhat useable BP
    Water Shuriken - 15 (22.5) - average 67.5 BP priority attack

    Also of note is that as Technician replaces ALL abilities, certain power houses are brought back down to earth. Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Gengar, Mega Pinsir, Aegislash, Talonflame, and Greninja are standouts that are heavily nerfed.
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  19. Dododoggy

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    Sounds like a lot of fun!
  20. tegrof19

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    How did Knock Off not get mentioned?
  21. PokemonMasterDebater

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    Because now it's too strong to be boosted by technician, and before it was too weak to be used despite technician. 20 BP to 30 BP is a very small and insignificant jump.
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  22. TalkTakesTime

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    Hate to necrobump but TechniciMons XY will be available to play on Joim's Lab as soon as I convince Joim to either update his server or give me SSH access to do so myself
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  23. Joim

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    I'm so lazy I still use root account instead of creating an account for myself and forbidding use of root xDDD But yeah, I can update + restart now.
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  24. Jaguar360

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    Hmm...Samurott could be Interesting
    Samurott @ Life Orb/Choice Band
    Adamant Nature
    EV's: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 SpDef
    - Aqua Jet
    - Swords Dance/Razor Shell/coverage
    - Revenge/Aerial Ace/X-Scissor
    - Dragon Tail/Aerial Ace/Fury Cutter/X-Scissor/Razor Shell
    I honestly don't know how this would work out.

    I wonder if Physical Greninja could work in this metagame:
    Greninja @ Life Orb/Nothing
    Jolly Nature
    EV's 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
    - Water Shuriken/Waterfall
    - Thief/Feint Attack
    - Acrobatics/Aerial Ace/Power-up Punch
    - Power-up Punch/U-turn/Rock Tomb

    Just some ideas popping into my head.
  25. simsims2800

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    THANK YOU!

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