Teddiursa (LC Analysis)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Psykout22, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Psykout22

    Psykout22

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2008
    Messages:
    46
    Status: Complete
    Grammar Checks: none
    Quality Control Approves: none
    Quality Control Rejects: none

    Teddiursa
    [​IMG]
    http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/teddiursa

    _____________________________________________________________________

    [Overview]

    <p>Teddiursa is one of the cutest Pokémon ever made. However, don't let its looks fool you into thinking that it's not one powerhouse of a sweeper. It has access to a fantastic physical movepool and a solid base Attack stat of 80, both of which gives it very impressive offensive coverage.</p>

    <p>It also boasts access to Quick Feet, and is one of only two Pokemon that has access to it (the other being Poochyena). After Toxic Orb activates, Quick Feet gives Teddiursa the speed of a Choice Scarfed Pokémon without being locked into one move. However, it lacks both the Speed to beat many Choice Scarfed Pokémon and does not possess the raw power to get OHKOs on bulkier opponents. The huge amount of priority in Little Cup hinders Teddiursa's sweeping capabilities; however, Teddiursa is bulky enough to survive most non-supereffective priority attacks. This bulk comes in handy when boosting its attack with Swords Dance . Teddiursa’s speed and attack make it one fierce late game sweeper or revenge killer.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Quick Feet Sweeper
    move 1: Facade
    move 2: Protect / Sword Dance
    move 3: Crunch
    move 4: Close Combat
    item: Toxic Orb
    ability: Quick Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set makes Teddiursa a great sweeper, courtesy of its ability to boost its Speed without having to lock itself into one move. Teddiursa has the power to hit walls relatively hard, and has enough Speed to outrun every Pokémon not carrying a Choice Scarf.</p>

    <p>Facade will be your main method of doing damage, as it has a Base
    Power of 210 (factoring in STAB) once Teddiursa is poisoned. With your other two moves, you should try to hit the Pokémon who resist or are immune to Normal-type attacks, or Rock-, Ghost-, and Steel-type Pokemon. Crunch is your best option against Ghost-type Pokémon such as KOing offensive Drifloon. whereas Close Combat destroys Aron and Shieldon and is your best chance against Bronzor. Seed Bomb could be used to annihilate most Rock- and Ground-type Pokémon, but allows Steel-type Pokémon such as the aforementioned Bronzor to completely wall this set. Ice Punch can work by OHKOing all Gligar with Stealth Rock. However, overall coverage is more important to this set.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The choice between Protect and Swords Dance depends on personal preference. Protect allows Teddiursa to always be at 21 speed. This set can also be used well as a lead if using Protect, stopping Fake Out leads from hitting you on the first turn, and then OHKOing next turn (being statused also stops Hypnosis from working, most notably from Meowth).</p>

    <p>Many teams in Little Cup have a check for physical attackers such as Gligar. Swords Dance turns 3HKOes with Oran into one hit KOes. This set means in one turn you can sweep with +2 +1. This needs good prediction, though, as Teddiursa isn’t too bulky and this isn't helped by the fact that Teddiursa will lose health exponentially with each passing turn.</p>

    <p>A good companion for this set is Gligar. Gligar has the bulk to take priority attacks, and can even set up in the face of them. Another Pokémon who works well when coupled with Teddiursa is Slowpoke. Slowpoke has great defenses, a Fighting-type resistance, the ability to recover health, and paralyze opposing Scarfed Pokémon that could stop Teddiursa from sweeping. Ghost- types, most notably Duskull, can switch in to many checks of Teddiursa. Any Pokémon with U-turn can help Teddiursa immensely, giving a set up of Toxic Orb without giving them a turn to set up or have a free switch. In addition, Scarf Mankey helps with the ability to draw out Ghost-type Pokémon for the KO via Teddiursa’s Crunch (Duskull has trouble dealing significant damage to Teddiursa, though Teddiursa must watch for a Will-o-Wisp on the switch, if it's not already poisoned).</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Teddiursa needs Stealth Rock for a large number of vital KOes, this can be sorted with a reliable lead such as Diglett. Reflect and Light Screen also help greatly towards Teddiursa’s sweep, but this is rarely seen in Little Cup and there are many other Pokémon that can utilize Screens more.</p>

    <p>In terms of offensive support, revenge killers such as Machop and Croagunk can work excellently. They also benefit with Teddiursa being a counter to all Little Cup Ghost-types.</p>

    <p>Defensively is all about Teddiursa’s one weakness: Fighting-type. Ghosts such as Duskull can not only switch into Fighting-types but can cripple with Will-O-Wisp to wear it down residually. Gligar and Slowpoke do similar things.<p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Choice Band set isn’t as good as other Pokémon do this much better and Life Orb still provides the vital KOes. It is also set-up bait for many Pokemon such as Ghost types.</p>

    <p> A Substitute and Focus Punch set could work, but Close Combat is generally a more reliable Fighting move to use. Cross Chop's 80% accuracy makes Close Combat the preferred choice again, but if defence drop puts you off, Cross Chop is always there as the second option. Earthquake can also replace Close Combat, but it's weaker and can't touch Bronzor. Fire Punch hits Bronzor slightly harder than Close Combat does but still does not 2HKO Oran Berry variants.</p>

    <p>Teddiursa also has access to RestTalk + Roar, making it a great phazer. But the unreliability of Sleep Talk choosing Roar over Rest means you could be the one getting annoyed. Facade could also be used on this set to provide power along side being a phazer.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Teddiursa needs Stealth Rock for a large number of vital KOes, but fortunately, this can be sorted with a reliable lead such as Diglett. Reflect and Light Screen also help greatly towards Teddiursa’s sweep, but this is rarely seen in Little Cup and there are many other Pokémon that can utilize Screens more.</p>

    <p>In terms of offensive support, revenge killers such as Machop and Croagunk can work excellently. They also benefit with Teddiursa being a counter to all Little Cup Ghost-types.</p>

    <p>Defensively, one must focus on Teddiursa’s one weakness: Fighting-type attacks. Ghosts such as Duskull can not only switch into Fighting-types but can cripple with Will-O-Wisp to wear it down residually. Gligar and Slowpoke do similar things.

    [Counters]

    <p>Bronzor is a great counter to Teddiursa, as it can only be hit for neutral damage almost all of the time, and can wall the Quick Feet Sweeper set. Choice Scarf Ghosts can come in on any Normal- or Fighting-type move and score a KO with their own attacks. Choice Scarfed Pokémon like Diglett, Abra, and Gligar can come in on the turn you Protect and beat Teddiursa, or can revenge kill it with ease thanks to Teddiursa's lack of priority. Anything with Protect can stall whilst the Toxic Orb damage racks up on the Quick Feet set can beat Teddiursa.</p>

    <p>Priority users can be effective revenge killers, especially those that have Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch. Good examples of these revenge priority killers would include Croagunk, Magby, and other bulkier pokemon.</p>
  2. Psykout22

    Psykout22

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2008
    Messages:
    46
    Bump

    come on guys i know 5th gen is out but teddy will pretty much stay the same apart from team members and threats, lets get this 4th gen done!!!
  3. macle

    macle &Vinc2612: to all lc players: is EQ gligar common?
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2008
    Messages:
    3,195
    its team options then optional changes.
  4. Elevator Music

    Elevator Music
    is a Forum Moderatoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Site Staff Alumnusis a CAP Contributor Alumnus
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2008
    Messages:
    7,315
    ^

    edit: I had stamped this but then I noticed something. Why 116 hp and speed on the wall breaker set? Wouldnt it be better to max speed and get 23 hp (both 23 and 24 hp take 12 turns to kill with lo recoil after all). It wasnt explained in set comments so I just was curious.

    Then I realized that it only hits 12 speed and I was a little turned off because that means that basically everything outspeeds it. I dont really think it can get any KOes being that slow... I may test it out but I'm leaning towards asking that set be removed...?
  5. comatthew6

    comatthew6 Uther's Noble [Ball]Sack
    is a Pokemon Researcheris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,722
    Just trying to help...you should de-hype this analysis. Teddiursa is not great.

    deletions in red
    additions in blue
    comments in neon green

    [Overview]

    <p>Teddiursa is one of the cutest Pokémon ever made. However, don't let its looks fool you into thinking that it's not. It's one powerhouse of a sweeper. It has access to a fantastic physical movepool and a solid base Attack stat of 80, both of which givesgiving it very impressive offensive coverage.</p>

    <p>It also boasts access toQuick Feet, and isone of only two Pokemon that has access to it (the other being Poochyena). After Toxic Orb activates, Quick Feet gives means Teddiursa has the speed of a Choice Scarfed Pokémon without being locked into one move. However, it lacks both the Speed to beat many Choice Scarfed Pokémon and does not possess lacks the raw power to get OHKOs on bulkier opponents. The huge amount of priority in Little Cup hinders Teddiursa's sweeping capabilities; however, Teddiursa is however bulky enough to survive most non-supereffective priority attacks. This bulk comes in handy when boosting its attack with Swords Dance with good prediction. Teddiursa’s speed and attack make it one fierce late game sweeper or revenge killer.</p> You are being ambiguous. You say it has power but not a lot of power....

    [SET]
    name: Quick Feet Sweeper
    move 1: Facade
    move 2: Protect / Sword Dance
    move 3: Crunch
    move 4: Close Combat
    item: Toxic Orb
    ability: Quick Feet
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set makes Teddiursa a great sweeper, courtesy of its ability to boost its Speed without having to lock itself into one moveeven having to take damage from an attack. Teddiursa has the power to hit walls relatively hard, and has enough Speed to outrun every Pokémon who is not carrying a the item Choice Scarf.</p>

    <p>Facade will be your main method of doing damage, as it has a Base
    Power of 210 (factoring in STAB) once Teddiursa is poisoned. With your other two moves, you should try to hit the Pokémon who resist or are immune to Normal-type attacks, or Rock-, Ghost-, and Steel-type Pokemon. The Pokémon that fall into this category are Rock, Steel, and Ghost. Crunch is your best option against Ghost-type Pokémon such as KOing offensive Drifloon. whereasClose Combat destroys Aron and Shieldon and is your best chance against Bronzor. Seed Bomb could be used to annihilate mostall the Rock- and Ground-type Pokémon, but allows Steel-type Pokémon such as the aforementioned Bronzor to completely wall this set. Ice Punch can work by OHKOing all Gligar with Stealth Rock. However, overall coverage is more important to this setwith all these the loss of coverage more is significant.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The choice between Protect and Swords Dance depends on personal preference and how easily you think Teddiursa will be able to set up and how much Teddiursa needs to set up and if it is bulky enough to even set it up(Kinda unneccessary). Protect allows Teddiursathe ability to always be at 21 speed. This set can also be used well as a lead if while using Protect, stopping Fake Out leads from hitting you on the first turn, and then OHKOing next turn (being statused also stops Hypnosis from working, most notably from Meowth).</p>

    <p>Many teams in Little Cup have a check for physical attackers such as Gligar. Swords Dance turnsmakes the 3HKOes with Oran into one hit KOes. This set means in one turn you can sweep with +2 +1. This needs good prediction, though, as Teddiursa isn’t too bulky and this isn't helped by the fact that Teddiursa will lose health exponentially with each passing turnevery turn more health is being taken away automatically from Teddiursa's Toxic Orb effect.</p>

    <p>A good companion for this set is Gligar. Gligar has the bulk to take priority attackswith, and can even set up in the face of themit, be it a Rock Polish or Swords Dance set. Another Pokémon who works well when coupled with Teddiursa is Slowpoke. Slowpoke has great defenses, a Fighting-type resistance, and the ability to recover health, and paralyze opposing Scarfed Pokémon that could stop Teddiursa from sweeping. Ghost- types, most notably Duskull, can switch in to many checks of Teddiursa. Any Pokémon with U-turn can help Teddiursa immensely, giving a set up of Toxic Orb without giving them a turn to set up or have a free switch. In addition, Most notably Scarfed Mankey helps with the ability to draw out Ghost-type Pokémon for the KO via Teddiursa’s Crunch (Duskull has trouble dealing significant damage to Teddiursa, though Teddiursa must watch for a Will-o-Wisp on the switch, if it's not already poisoned).</p>

    [SET]
    name: Wall Breaker
    move 1: Return
    move 2: Crunch
    move 3: Close Combat
    move 4: Ice Punch/Seed Bomb
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Quick Feet
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 116 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 116 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is a bulky/stall team's worst nightmare. This Teddiursa can switch into a variety of Pokemon due to itsonly But Teddiursa still has poor defenses, and you barely invest in its bulk. one weakness and KO with surprising ease. Base 80 attack with a great movepool breaks down common metagame walls such as Munchlax.since when will Munchlax try to wall Teddiursa? Does this set beat walls like Hippopotas, Gligar, and Bronzor? (yes to the first 2, no to the latter)</p>

    <p>Life Orb gives Teddiursa the ability to the name great early-game wall-breaker such as 2HKOing Bronzor with Crunch followed by and one Close Combat, freeing up the game for your other sweepers. The moves allow you to hit virtually everything for at least neutral coverage;- Return hits most Pokémon with a good amount of power, Crunch can KO any Ghost- types and only Life Orb Gastly can KO back. Close Combat is nice for both Steel- and Rock-types who switch in expecting to take minimal damage from a STAB Normal- type move. Ice Punch is mainly for Gligar, whichwhom it will OHKO, however, Seed Bomb is an alternative option for taking down bulky Water- types and hitting Rock- and Ground-types harder at the same time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Slowpoke is a great partner. Slowpoke can paralyze opposing Pokémon, which makesmaking up for the lack of Speed that Toxic Orb presents you.say wha...toxic orb gives you x1.5speed. Isn't that enough in most cases? Ekans can also work out well with Teddiursa, as it too resists Fighting-type attacks, and can also paralyze Pokémon, but also has Intimidate, and can also paralyze Pokémon. With Croagunk and other priority attackers make very good partners. Most notable Croagunk, being able to deal with minimal Fighting- type attacks and can revenge kill like no other, freeing Teddiursa for a late game clean up, with it’s counters gone, though not totally recommended.</p>

    <p>Life Orb does have its drawbacks. It still drains Teddiursa's health like Toxic Orb and a Life Orb Return isn't as powerful as a boosted Facade. But all the other moves demolish the opponent. Crunch is still able to KO any ghost and Close Combat provides a chance to KO 236Hp/36Def Munchlax.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Choice Band set isn’t as too good as other Pokémon do this much better and Life Orb still provides the vital KOes. It is also set-up bait for many Pokemon such as Ghost types.</p>

    <p>Belly Drum is too risky and doesn’t last more than 4 turns even without taking a hit or Stealth Rock damage. A Substitute and Focus Punch set could work, but Close Combat is generally a more reliable Fighting move to use. Cross Chop's 80% accuracy makes Close Combat the preferred choice again, but if defence drop puts you off, Cross Chop is always there as the second option. Earthquake can also replace Close Combat, but it's weaker and can't touch Bronzor. Fire Punch hits Bronzor slightly harder than Close Combat does but still does not misses out on 2HKOing Oran Berry variants, unless you opt for the Choice Band set, otherwise really has no use.</p>

    <p>Teddiursa also has access to RestTalk + Roar, making it a great phazer, when Sleep talk chooses Roar, it will be at the Speed stat of 21 (Teddiursa’s when boosted) losing the minus priority and switching out the opposing Pokémon. But the unreliability of Sleep Talk choosing Roar over Rest means you could be the one getting annoyed. Facade could also be used on this set to provide power along side being a phazer.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Teddiursa needs Stealth Rock for a large number of vital KOes, but fortunately, this can be sorted with a reliable lead such as Diglett. Reflect and Light Screen also help greatly towards Teddiursa’s sweep, but this is rarely seen in Little Cup and there are many other Pokémon that can utilize Screens more.</p>

    <p>In terms of offensive support, revenge killers such as Machop and Croagunk can work excellently. They also benefit with Teddiursa being a counter to all Little Cup Ghost-types.Is it really?</p>

    <p>Defensively, one must focus on is all about Teddiursa’s one weakness: Fighting-type attacks. Ghosts such as Duskull can not only switch into Fighting-types but can cripple with Will-O-Wisp to wear it down residually. Gligar and Slowpoke do similar things.

    [Counters]

    <p>Bronzor is a great counter to Teddiursa, as it can only be hit for neutral damage almost all of the time, and can wall OHKO the Quick Feet Sweeper set with Gyro Ball after a Close Combat Defense drop Bronzor doesn't use Gyro Ball. Choice Scarf Ghosts can come in on any Normal- or Fighting-type move and score a KO with their own attacks. Choice Scarfed Pokémon like Diglett, Abra, and Gligar can come in on the turn you Protect and beat Teddiursa, or they can come in and revenge kill it with ease thanks to Teddiursa's its lack of priority. Anything with Protect can stall whilst the Toxic Orb damage racks up on the Quick Feet set can beat Teddiursa as well.</p>

    <p>Priority users can be effective revenge killers, especially those that have Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch (the super effective priority). Good examples of these revenge priority killers would include Croagunk, Magby, and other bulkier pokemon, such as Kabuto, who can also take advantage of the switch.</p>

    <p>Teddiursa can be hard to switch into, but a bulky Scarfer such as Gligar can come in with ease and KO normally with Earthquake after Toxic Orb damage.</p>
  6. macle

    macle &Vinc2612: to all lc players: is EQ gligar common?
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2008
    Messages:
    3,195

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)