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The Dark Horse Project (HUGE Update Post #121)

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Birkal, Feb 1, 2012.

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  1. Lady Alex

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    Glad I could help xD. Quite a unique team you made it into HoF with. Congrats!
  2. Lucario_Guy

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    I must seriously suck at Pokémon, cuz I can't even break 1300 on the Pokémon Online server, let alone the Smogon server. :(

    Then here you have many of these folks qualifying for the freakin' hall of fame here.
  3. Lady Alex

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    What are you struggling with?
  4. Zoap

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    ^ Yea it could be as simple as forgetting about certain Pokemon(there by having no checks) or not really having clear goal of what you want the team to accomplish. Some people just can't build teams, even if they are great battlers. There are always people to help let us know what seems to be the problem.
  5. Pwnemon

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    Oh dear god this so much. Oftentimes the problem is not with your battling but your teambuilding. That's always been my weak point. I hope for your sake that this is you because teambuilding can be taught. Battling can be learned, but it'll have to be through the school of hard knocks. Where do you think your weak point is?
  6. Seth Vilo

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    I'm getting in on this! It carries over to next month, right?

    Pokemon Online Username: Seth Vilo DHorse
    Hall of Fame Standing: --- (soon...)
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Sableye, Roserade
    Current Ladder Standing: Fresh start

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    I had to breed with Cacturne for this... ouch... (open)
    Roserade @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EV's: 240 HP / 120 Def / 12 SpA / 136 SpD
    IV's: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
    Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
    -Spikes
    -Giga Drain
    -Hidden Power Fire
    -Rest


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    Trololo! (open)
    Sableye @ Leftovers
    Ability: Prankster
    EV's: 248 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD / 4 Spe
    IV's: 0 Atk / 0 SpA
    Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
    -Will-o-Wisp
    -Taunt
    -Recover
    -Foul Play
  7. lampeskaerm2

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    My Spinda-team is #33 for the moment on the smogon server (about 1390 points). Screenshot and further comments will follow tomorrow.
  8. soviet

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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Rotom-C / Deoxys-D
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000
  9. blarajan

    blarajan i was born under the same star as shakeitup
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Rotom-C / Deoxys-D
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000
  10. Sgt. Fuckface

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    Pokemon Online Username: TOO POWERFUL 4 WORDS
    Hall of Fame Standing: nah nigga
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: flygon
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000
  11. Boorego

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    Finally got around to actually posting my hall of fame registraion. Mew is such an awesome pokemon. Fun project, pretty cool idea for spreading the word about under-utilized pokemon, may try it again next month.

    Pokemon Online Username:Booorego
    Dark Horse Pokemon:Mew

    Screenshot of Top 80 Ladder Ranking:
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set:(With a decription as well! Be warned, it is kinda long.)
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    Mew @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 98 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Softboiled
    - Psychic
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Taunt
    Standard stall breaker set here, with enough speed evs to always outspeed adamant dragonite, letting you taunt or burn him before he can start setting up or smack you (this is paticuliarly helpful against dd lum nite as you don't need to reley on WOW hitting TWICE in a row) also lets you beat even the speed creepiest of defensive gliscor.
    Most people that use stall breaker mew end up agreeing that mew's a great pokemon that deserves more use than he gets. Stall breaker mew really lives up to his name, he can single handely destroy most defensive teams lacking a heatran or espeon (90% of all rain stall teams in other words). He is also an excellent counter to most of the fighting types in the tier, only cm virizon and nasty plot lucario can reliably beat taunt-wow mew. Unlike some other bulky psycic types like slowbro and latias, mew is not very easy to set hazards up against thanks to taunt. Aside from that mew is just an overall good physical wall that can be durable and very frusturating for the opponent to battle. He doen't beat every physical attacker in the tier but remains a solid check for things like landlous and dd mence. The biggest problems that this mew set faces are heatran , nasty plot celebi and WOW's awful accuracy. Lati@as and hydreigon also problem pokemon set to battle.


    Here's the team I used to get into the top 80 this time around, with brief descritions (don't worry, they aren't nearly as long as mew's was :D):


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    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 240 HP / 80 Atk / 168 SDef / 20 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Meteor Mash
    - Bullet Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    Bulky all around tank and stealth rock setter, his special defense evs let him battle lati@s, gengar and alakazam, all of whom can give mew trouble.

    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 164 SAtk / 92 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Volt Switch
    - Toxic
    - Hydro Pump
    My main answer to mew’s biggest enemy, heatran. I’m running a more specially defensive spread in order to take water attacks from offensive rain teams better. Hidden power fire usually one shots scizor out of rain (also 2hkos unsuspecting ferrothorn), so this guy is probably my most reliable answer to scizor.

    Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - Rock Slide
    - U-turn
    - Earthquake
    Standard set here, rock slide is run because I have much more effective ways of dealing with gliscor and I can’t afford to miss against a +1 volcorna, the attack is also handy for finishing off weakened gengar and dragonite.

    Tentacruel (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Liquid Ooze
    EVs: 220 HP / 244 SAtk / 44 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Ice Beam
    - Hydro Pump
    - Rapid Spin
    - Giga Drain
    Probably the “weak link” if I had to pick one. Still a decent pokemon on this team, gets rid of hazards, is another check to heatran, gengar and some hydreigon, giga drain lets me stick it to rotom and gastrodon. and helps take off some of the preassures of being a water resist of of rotom. I never tried it out but starmie seems like he’d be a fine replacement for this guy in theory.

    Cloyster (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Skill Link
    EVs: 248 HP / 84 Atk / 162 Def / 16 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Icicle Spear
    - Ice Shard
    - Spikes
    - Surf
    Another Dark Horse Pokemon! This one joined the team a bit late to be in the hall of fame, though. Physically defensive cloyster is honestly not nearly a bad as you’d think a defensive grounded ice type would be......if you have rapid spin support. He 100% hard counters all physical dragons from dd nite to cb haxours and is a fantastic counter to thoese pesky gliscors and checks landorous.

    Mew @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 98 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Softboiled
    - Psychic
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Taunt
    It’s the Dark Horse himself, Mew! I kinda went over mew’s perks and whatnot in the set description above. Just remember, mew is a supporter, and is often not the star of the show (although he has helped me come back from a great many games). On this team for example, his ability counter fighting types and prevent defensive pokemon that would gladly set up on cloyster,metagross and choice locked landlous form setting up makes him a wonderful asset to this team.


    TL;DR Taunt-Wow Mew is a fantastic pokemon, try him out.

    Feel free to ask me any questions you may have about this mew set or even just the team I ended up using.
  12. Pocket

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    How did your Metagross fare? If Latis, Gengar, and Alakazam were giving you problems, wouldn't Pursuit > Bullet Punch be more ideal?
  13. SlimMan

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    Caught Norovirus. Didn't get out of bed for 4 days. Said "fuck it, i'll do dark horse next month".

    This is truly the story of my life. Pwnemon speaketh no lies.
  14. lampeskaerm2

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    Hi, everyone. Here follows a screenshot of my peak so far (with Spinda):

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    However, I have lost a few battles in a row, including a loss to a team that included a Pikachu..
  15. Vix

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    Pokemon Online username: Vix (yay for not playing OU for who knows how long!)
    Hall of fame status: if I ever get here I will be shocked
    Dark horse pokemon currently working with : Flygon, manetric (technically wobbuffet as well but I may have to remove him later.)
    Current ladder standing:1000

    Edit: to above poster, At this rate you may be allowed to make an Ou spinda analysis.
  16. Delko

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    Pokemon Online Username: -TroY-
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Whimsicott (standard troll set)
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000
    team (open)
    Tyranitar (M) @ Shuca Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 64 SAtk / 192 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Beam
    - Pursuit

    Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 116 Atk / 216 SAtk / 176 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Fire Blast
    - Draco Meteor
    - Roost
    - Earthquake

    Skarmory (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Spikes
    - Roost
    - Brave Bird
    - Whirlwind

    Whimsicott (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Encore
    - Leech Seed
    - Substitute
    - GrassWhistle

    Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake
    - Close Combat
    - X-Scissor

    Starmie @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 168 HP / 108 SAtk / 232 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Psyshock
    - Rapid Spin
    - Recover
  17. Plusle

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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Yanmega
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000
  18. Patolegend!

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    Hmm... I registered last month for Nidoking, under the alt The Return of the King. This month I changed the alt to The King is Back, but never updated here cos I never thought I'd make top 80! however:

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    I've only gone and done it! Does it still count? If so, then I'll update the post with sets and the team.
  19. Lady Alex

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    Yeah, it still counts. Birkal said that you didn't have to start over if you were still working on the same pokemon you registered for last month.
  20. Zoap

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    So this is the update for my HoF run, this post will include:

    ~Replays
    ~Questionnaire from post 4
    ~Updated Screenshot of how far the team got
    ~MVP to LVP: With short explanation
    ~My general thoughts along with some other questions and answers I think are important.

    So to start here are all of the replays I have, its about 30-35 or so and they're segregated into Wins/Losses(I thought I had more, after all this is about half of the 90 or so battles I did):

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    How did you choose your Dark Horse Pokemon for this project? What lead you to choose the Pokemon you did? Did you have regrets or were you happy with your selection?



    I chose my Dark Horse Pokemon(s) based on my past success with Hail teams. At first I wanted to dabble in this project, so I looked at what I could place over my current roster(RMT here, made top 20 with the team) and I noticed that with Jynx's(1) new ability, she could function similar to Kyruem on my last team. Abomasnow(2) and Mamoswine(3) were part of my core of the last hail team, so they were the 2nd and 3rd dark horses added to my challenge



    Overall Jynx is a fantastic pokemon, who can run a plethora of sets, I chose the Choice Scarf set with STAB Blizzard/Psychic with Grass Knot for coverage. Lovely Kiss gives you plenty of potential to either set up or cripple a boosting threat.


    Mamoswine like Jynx is underrated, it can cripple the majority of weather, and has the ability to run multitude of sets. I chose a basic lead set with SR/Icicle Crash/EQ/Ice Shard. This allowed my Mamo to not only lead but come back and revenge kill with Ice Shard.


    Abomasnow is good, and like the other two can run so many sets it can be a pain to counter. I chose a bulky attacking version over SpA or Defensive. With Protect and leech seed, Abomasnow can often give valuable life back to teammates. He also served as my main check to Rotom-W(Rotom-W can't do much to it at all).




    How did you go about building a team for your Dark Horse Pokemon? Which kinds of teammates did you consider? What factors contributed to the team you created?


    So I started with the basic core that helped me gain success with the last team: Abomasnow(2), Mamoswine(3) and Magnezone(4). Add in Jynx(1) and I was just looking for 2 more pokemon. Seeing that I was lacking a reliable Fire resist, I sought after a bulky water. Poliwrath(5) seemed like a logical choice as he has monster SpD and happens to counter Heatran, TTar and Scizor. After which I decided to shift to more defensive team focusing on a Jynx(1) clean up. Froslass(6) was chosen for her speed, ability to lay spikes, para support and destiny bond.

    At first things went well, went to around 1230 quickly, but then I started being worn down by hazzards of the other side. This lead me to re-evaluate my team, seeing as Jynx was my first choice I decided she would stay, I decided Poliwrath would be the best to replace and I chose Hitmontop(7). Since my team went from more offensive I decided Froslass was no longer needed and opted for Yanmega(8).

    Do you think it is more difficult or less difficult to ladder with a Dark Horse Pokemon? Why? Does the element of surprise play a factor in your battles? Is it easier to fight with a "highly used"" team or with Pokemon that are less common?


    It definitely comes down to the player. I believe most Pokemon can have a niche in OU, it just depends on how well the player plays to their strengths. That said Jynx definitely throws people for loops, as many don't realize how much power she has with Modest, or how much speed she hits with a scarf. Not to mention that her new ability now allows her to absorb water attacks. That being said, these Pokemon often are placed in their respective tiers because their faults are easier to exploit then others. Harder players definitely we're better at playing around them than others.

    How did you reach the Hall of Fame? Was it easy or difficult? Did having a Dark Horse Pokemon on your team benefit you? What advice would you give to those laddering with Dark Horse Pokemon?


    I steadily laddered to 1300 over a few days(4 if I remember correctly), I never played for more than 30-40 minutes and never when I first woke up/or was tired. As to the difficulty, it is pretty easy once you get into a "flow" as I call it. It seems like you're just making all the right plays, or if you aren't you are catching great breaks. Either way a DH wasn't a hindrance as if you build a team to support them and use their strengths then its like any other pokemon.


    My biggest advice is to never give up on a Pokemon, play to their strengths and build the support they need. Often your first choice is the one you really want to do well with. Next piece is don't be afraid to step back and look at what your team may need(even if it's not something you want to do: Using Voltturn, weather etc.), if you have trouble seeing your weak points don't hesitate ask other members(here especially!).

    What was the most challenging aspect of this project? What did you learn the most from your experience with Dark Horse Pokemon? How has your learning from this project changed the way you battle?

    I know this said non HoF members but I still think it is a good question for everyone.The final 50 points, from 1304 to 1354 was probably the scariest point of this challenge as I'm often afraid of tilting. Thanks to Lady Alex, I was able to sit through and power through the four wins I needed to reach the HoF. As to any change to my battling style, not really, I tend to be more aggressive in my predictions and I doubt anything will change that.

    Updated Screenshot: *Rank 29(82 battles)

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    Dark Horse MVP-LVP:
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    Mamoswine (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Crash
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock


    So why Mamoswine? Well he saved me at least 20 times while laddering. Whether through Snow Cloak, Ice Shard, or just his ability to clean up late game. He also provided the SR which was greatly appreciated.

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    Jynx (F) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Dry Skin
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Lovely Kiss
    - Psychic
    - Blizzard
    - Grass Knot


    Jynx is a monster, and if it weren't for Mamoswine beasting his way through teams single handily, she would have been the top contender. Blizzard was great for nailing everything, and I mean everything. Can we say 35% on Forretress.

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    Abomasnow (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SDef
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Protect
    - Leech Seed
    - Seed Bomb
    - Ice Shard


    Abomasnow is not really my LVP, he just happened to be least impressive. He set up Hail, provided life support with LS, and overall was a defensive pivot. He was a necessity but rarely showed me the "WOW" factor.

    My thoughts and any other questions:
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    The only question I think that might warrant an addition to the questionnaire is:


    Why did you choose the replacement you chose(if you replaced any Dark Horse)? Did you see improvement right away or were further tweaks needed?



    This project is great and I cannot wait till next month, where I will choose a whole new team and strategy to implement(I already have some interesting ideas XD). Overall I'm glad this was started and that I got involved, big thanks to Birkal for starting this, Lady Alex for providing some helpful advice and Smogon for just being awesome. Right now I'm sitting around 1300 after some major tilting(don't play for more than an hour!), so I'm done with this team now. Should I write an RMT?

    If anyone has any questions or advice they'd like me to answer feel free to VM me.


    (#): indicates when they were added to the team
    *: I made 1409 in 91 battles but forgot to screenshot it, the rank was 27 but 29 is close enough.
  21. Birkal

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    Hello, everyone!

    To start things off, I'd like to offer up an apology. I haven't been as active with the Dark Horse Project as it deserves. When I was planning this project in December, I never would have dreamed that it would receive this much support and that we would learn so much from this. Unfortunately, my time has been pretty engulfed by work in the Dream World Project and the Create-a-Pokemon Project. However, I always envisioned the Dark Horse Project to go for three months so we could see what kind of a change one project could make on a metagame. The ladder will (I assume) be updating at the end of March; I'd like to see this project survive until then.

    As a result, I am announcing the return of the Dark Horse Project in March. I want to finish the project up strong, so expect a lot more activity from me. However, you guys know that my workload for this has been pretty intense. That combined with my work in other areas of Smogon has lead to severely decreased activity from me.

    That is why I'm also asking for some help. If you have any interest in co-leading the Dark Horse Project, please send me a PM. I currently am imagining about two to three co-leaders to help me out. Here's what I'm looking for:

    • Registered Participants Updater: This job, although it only take about 10-15 minutes a day, is tough. You'll be expected to go through the entire list of Registered Users on a consistent basis to make sure that everyone's forms are up to date. I have huge amounts of respect for anyone who'd be willing to do this job. You'd also be in charge of the counter!! Which is super fun. Hehe.

    • Hall of Fame Coordinator: Holding this position is a bit less strenuous than the above post; there aren't as many entrants to the Hall of Fame. However, I expect this person to not only update the Hall of Fame, but to talk and work with each of its members. The more information we can get from our Hall of Famers, the better. I'm looking for someone here that is both active and takes initiative.

    • Discussion Recorder: Your job would be to work with this post. You'd be doing things like asking questions for Dark Horse participants to fill out and recording their answers. I'm searching for someone who is creative and thoughtful for this position.


    So! If you feel like you'd like to apply for any of those positions, send me a PM either today or tomorrow. Also, tell me a little bit about yourself! Who are you? What makes you think that you'd be right for the job? Are you willing to commit the necessary time?

    Please don't be offended if I don't select you! The Dark Horse Project is my baby and I want to make sure that it is run at an excellent quality. Remember, if you get selected for a position, then you'll take over that respective post of the OP and you'll get to collaborate with me on the future of the project. You'll have captured my heart and the hearts of hundreds of Dark Horse fans as well. Also, if I ever decide to hand off the Dark Horse Project someday, working in one of these positions is good credit ;)


    Thanks for reading and best of luck! Everyone, you still have a bit more time to ladder before this month's project is done. It will be ending at midnight on Thursday night, so you have over 24 hours to try to make the Hall of Fame for February. I just got done updating the Registered Participants list; I'll be working on finishing off the Hall of Fame tonight.
  22. Patolegend!

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    Right, better late than never! As stated yesterday I finally reached top 80 with Nidoking. He really is an awesome 'mon, with surprising power, and not-too-bad speed. Nobody seemed to expect him, and with paralysis support he can tear apart teams that don't have any of the two blobs.


    Pokemon Online Username: The King is back
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Nidoking

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    Dark Horse Set:
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    Nidoking @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SpA / 4 HP
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Earth Power
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt

    Standard set here, he just offers ridiculous super effective coverage and power. His downfalls are his bulk and speed, but with paralysis support one of these is not a problem. People underestimate his speed, with many a heatran and gliscor getting taken aback when they recieve a x4 move to the face.


    The team is based upon, well... almost exactly the same as an early form of the community create a team from last month to be honest. Many of the elements were already in place before that, but it really helped me out with covering the necessary weaknesses I had.


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    Gengar (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Shadow Ball
    - Substitute
    - Pain Split
    - Focus Blast

    Not always the lead, but a very important offensive player in the team. This set is normally difficult to handle, but I found it was overly reliant on Focus Miss to beat mons such as Tyrannitar. I did try taking him out and putting Latias in as per other members suggestions, but put him back in shortly after. My main check to Deoxys D, Mew, and Reuniclus.


    Dragonite (M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Fire Punch
    - ExtremeSpeed

    Soooo much power. With Lum I could afford to risk a burn from rotom to get the DD in, then pretty much gg. One of the most popular mons in the metagame at the minute, which itself is a problem - everyone's prepared for it, and it rarely ransacked teams as I hoped it might. Still though, if you let it set up, it'll tear you apart - that outrage :pimp:


    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 SDef / 16 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Iron Head
    - Body Slam
    - Wish
    - Stealth Rock

    A mon I hated facing with other teams in the past - its just unfair. With a bit of luck, this is almost unstoppable, and saved me many a game. One of the two mons that provide the much needed paralysis for nidoking, the stealth rocker for the team, and the cleric.


    Virizion @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Leaf Blade
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge

    Possibly the weakest element of the team, but key resistances and the fact that everyone seems to think it's specially based led it to keeping its place. Lum helps against breloom and the blobs, but I did notice the drop in power over the life orb that I had beforehand.


    Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Flamethrower

    The King.... the legend.


    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 SAtk
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunder Wave
    - Pain Split

    The glue that held the team together. Paralysis, pain split, and massive defense let him paralyze major threats to the team for Nidoking to finish off.



    Just to prove Nidoking's boss, and to remove any credibility that I might ever gain on this forum, I also got into the top 80 with a fun team that took advantage of this powerful mon's strongest points under another alt, plain simple Patolegend.

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    Ninjask (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Speed Boost
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef / 4 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Baton Pass
    - Protect
    - Substitute

    Vaporeon (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 248 HP / 220 Def / 40 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Baton Pass
    - Substitute
    - Wish
    - Scald

    Scizor (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Baton Pass
    - Iron Defense
    - Bullet Punch
    - Bug Bite

    Espeon (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 248 HP / 36 SAtk / 224 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Baton Pass
    - Stored Power
    - Hidden Power [Fighting]

    Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Ice Beam
    - Flamethrower
    - Thunderbolt

    Cloyster (F) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Skill Link
    EVs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 204 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Icicle Spear
    - Rock Blast
    - Razor Shell
    - Shell Smash

    Hell yeah, a BATON PASS TEAM, without smeargle or smash pass. Cloyster's a boss - with +4 attack he OHKO's everything. Noobish, unskilled, this team has caused many a ragequit, and yet has been pretty successful.


    How did you choose your Dark Horse Pokemon for this project?
    I've always loved Nidoking since the early generations, but with his new ability he finally found the opportunity to shine. Fantastic coverage, beastly power - and nobody was prepared for him.


    How did you go about building a team for your Dark Horse Pokemon?
    I started off with a HO specially based team, but found that the King was useless. I then started to look at his main weakness, his speed, and started to build a paralysis based team. Jirachi came in, then Rotom to cover the ground weakness. I started using the sub-roost set on Dragonite, but missed the power of full on DD and outrage. Gengar came in as a spin-blocker and troll mon, and finally Virizion helped to take on rain teams, the blobs and hydration vaporeon.

    The baton pass part was basic - with +2 spa modest Nido OHKO's everything apart from the blobs. I was fascinated by the ridiculousness of Espeon with magic bounce and stored power, and it went from there. (No skill involved! :naughty:)


    Do you think it is more difficult or less difficult to ladder with a Dark Horse Pokemon? Why?

    I think it depends on the team, but probably yeah. With the paralysis team Nido didn't always have a major role in the team, but other games he would destroy whole teams. Other special attackers could have fit his role better, and probably without so much support.


    (For Hall of Fame members only) How did you reach the Hall of Fame?
    A lot of luck, basically.... towards the end it got easier, once I was adapted to the team and got to know its strengths. Aggresive predictions helped along the way, taking out prominent team members before they caused major problems. O yeah, and rotom... without him it wouldn't have been possible.
  23. Boorego

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    I know this response is kinda late, considering it is march now and all, sorry for that. I'll try to be more quick with my responses next month. On to your question, I really like the metagross set . Even without pursuit he can counter thoese pokemon you mentioned for pretty much whole time that they stay alive for, although being set up bait for ALL of the spike users in OU is very annoying.
    The main reasoning for bullet punch>pursuit is that I simply found bullet punch more useful on this team. Metagross is bulky enough to come in on pursuit’s targets multiple times (meaning I can safetly keep them under control throughout the match) and the team was pretty slow outside of landorous so having a somewhat powerful piority attack to finish off speedy attackers is very useful, heck being able to finish off latios, gengar and alakazam who stay in when expecting pursuit(very common once people see I'm specially defensive) without having to take an extra 30-40 percent of damage is nice. Although I have been considering switching out some pokemon for speedier pokemon so the speed issue may not be a problem for much longer, in which case pursuit does look alot more tempting, will probably give pursuit a second chance next month if I do make the changes, thanks for mentioning that.

    About Last month's project:
    I have one final little update about last month's mew team. I did manage to get to the top 50 a week or so ago.....but then was cruelly reminded why focus blast is one of the most hated moves in the game....multiple games in a row. Anyway I did make some pretty big changes to the team by then. So here's a final list of the team I was using then. I’m only gonna comment on the new pokemon and any pokemon that I have new things to talk about for.

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    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 240 HP / 80 Atk / 168 SDef / 20 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Meteor Mash
    - Bullet Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock

    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 164 SAtk / 92 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Volt Switch
    - Toxic
    Hydro Pump
    I’ve honestly tried to find a replacement for this guy near the end. He’s not a bad member or anything, just is not quite as bulky as I’d like sometiems , considering his job is taking rain boosted water attacking and keeping the momentum in my favor,but taking any more evs from special attack will make it very hard for him to 2hko ferrothorn out of rain... or one shot scizor. I’ve tried virizion and he was alright although the lack of physical bulk made scizor a pain for this team. Celebi/shaymin were decent too although I found that it was a little too easy for spikers to set up on if I wanted them to have great special bulk. So the search continued till the very end.

    Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - Rock Slide
    - U-turn
    - Earthquake

    Hydreigon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Focus Blast
    - Dragon Pulse
    Fire Blast
    We all probably now know how awesome sub hydreigon is, condsidering he’s been featured in two very popular recent RMTs. Tentacruel was too weak and I didn’t like starmies lack of great bulk. I decided I didn’t really need a spinner so ,after a bunch of searching, I finally found a water resist that checks heatran and has good enough bulk to take full advantage of his resists. He has the sheer offensive firepower that this team has been kinda lacking and he’s just bulky enough to set up on volt switches from scarf rotom, scalds and unboosted lava plumes.

    Heatran (F) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Earth Power
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    Flame Charge
    Physically defensive cloyster was really neat, 100% countered physical dragons was was actually not a horrible rapid spinner. Heatran is nowhere near as effective at countering dragons but cloyster but he can check them well enough and provides a much better set of resistances and a lot more offensive firepower, making it much more difficult for bulky teams to gain an advantage over me. Flame charge is more or less filler due to metagross already stealth rocking although it is a good late game cleaning tool and great for suprising dugtrio.

    Mew @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Softboiled
    - Psychic
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Taunt
  24. Birkal

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    Hello, everyone!

    Wow, I had a lot of excellent applications for co-leading the Dark Horse Project. Huge thanks to everyone who offered to step up to the plate. In the end, I've chosen two users to help me out. Pocket hardly needs an introduction. He's one of Dragonspiral Tower's most active posters; he earned his Community Contributor badge here! He's also an official Team Rater and can provide assistance in that medium to the topic. He'll be in charge of the Hall of Fame. I've also selected Mafeking to help me out with the Registered Participants. He has fantastic activity and is very thorough. He has currently completed over 50 GP for Smogon, wow! He's also a super nice guy, you should talk with him sometime if you get the chance. With these two helping me out, I'll have time to work on the "Discussion and Learning" section and actually getting hands on with users in terms of team building and helping. The new Dark Horse Project topic will most likely go up later tonight; keep posted! Thanks for reading =)
  25. Plaid

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    So I recently made a team using Gallade and Bisharp, which are both well under 5% in usage statistics, and started laddering on my alt account, Plaidtest. Then I found this thread, so can I register for Gallade and Bisharp?
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