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The Dark Horse Project III

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Birkal, Mar 2, 2012.

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  1. Zoap

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    Pokemon Online Username: Light Bulb
    Hall of Fame Standing: 8th
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Bulbasaur, Latias, Mienshao and Azelf
    Current Ladder Standing: 1116(only done 3 battles so far XD).
  2. Mafeking

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    @Zoap:
    This means that Latias will not be considered in your Dark Horse listing, but Mienshao, Azelf, and Bulbasaur (though I'm pretty sure you're joking about that) all are.

    Updated.
  3. /B/utterfree

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    Pokemon Online Username: E-102
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Parasect (in OU)
    Current Ladder Standing: (21:36:45) *** Your rank in Standard OU is 46340/48627 [901 points / 84 battles]!
    I got tired of running Parasect exclusively in Ubers when he has a perfectly capable shot of handling the OU metagame courtesy of DrizzleToed (I tried running Parasect in OU multiple times early on, but felt that I should stick with Ubers to be safe).

    My team is far from perfect (but Parasect is surprisingly easy to make a team dedicated around it). I will likely have to wait a week before making an OU RMT dedicated to using Parasect. I will be using a more offensive variant of Gen. Empoleon's original UberSect build.
  4. SuperChillarmy

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    I'm dropping Swampert and focusing on Galvantula.
  5. Pocket

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    Ugh sorry, the past month's statistics on the OP is actually linked to JANUARY and not February's stats x_x;;

    So SuperChillarmy, Alakazam is actually eligible for this challenge - I apologize for the delay. And Raseri, Jolteon is not eligible for Dark Horse this month, so I would have to remove it from Hall of Fame :(

    Again, sorry for the inconvenience, and please check February's stats.

    Birk-a-dit: Fixed it! The OP has been updated with February's statistics. Gah, I knew I missed something.
  6. Zoap

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    That's fine, I was looking at January's and Latias is a good fit currently. And I'm semi-serious about Bulbasaur(he's on the team, for how long I don't know).
  7. Pocket

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    complete legitimacy had a head start, but I'm gonna go with Nidoking!

    Pokemon Online Username: Drill Horse
    Hall of Fame Standing: ;_;
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Nidoking
    Current Ladder Standing: 1252
  8. Zoap

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    Pokemon Online Username: Light Bulb
    Hall of Fame Standing: 8th
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Bulbasaur, Mienshao and Azelf
    Current Ladder Standing: 1064
  9. complete legitimacy

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    Let's race Pocket lol. I'm at 1237 right now, with this team:

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    Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Flamethrower

    Conkeldurr (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bulk Up
    - Drain Punch
    - Mach Punch
    - Stone Edge

    Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stone Edge
    - Crunch
    - Pursuit
    - Superpower

    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 112 HP / 252 SAtk / 144 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunder Wave
    - Pain Split

    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - U-turn
    - Bullet Punch
    - Superpower
    - Quick Attack

    Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Whirlwind
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost


    It's mostly standard mons except for Nidoking. ScarfTar isn't that common either, but it's really effective. I've seen a lot of Azelfs, and Tyranitar eats those up for breakfast. It also helps once I figure out if Terakion is Scarfed or not, since then nobody expects the Superpower. I'm a little weak to rain, since Rotom is my only Water resist, but if I play conservatively I pretty much always lose to rain since nothing else can switch into Politoed really. Dugtrio is also pretty hard to face, since I pretty much never send in Tyranitar until it's dead. Other than that I love the team.
  10. Bad Ass

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    PO Alt - Steaddast
    Dark Horses - Raikou, Slowbro

    NEW CHALLENGE:

    PO Alt - dumb_test_t11
    dark horses - mew
  11. .I Wish You Well.

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    I'm currently trying to get back into the metagame, and this is a cool opportunity for me to do so.

    Here we go.

    Pokemon Online Username: Cut It Up
    Hall of Fame Standing: N/A
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Slowbro
    Current Ladder Standing: Haven't started Laddering
  12. toshimelonhead

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    Pokemon Online Username: toshidarkhorse
    Hall of Fame Standing: 16th, same team with 2 new mons (so 4 dark horse mons on the same team!)
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Victini, Porygon2 (letting others have Venusaur and Sawsbuck)
    Current Ladder Standing: (17:31:37) *** Your rank in Standard OU is 96/48557 [1355 points / 95 battles]!

    Ok, I haven't posted an RMT like I had promised. It was still in tweaking mode; despite reaching the ladder, it did not do as well as I wanted it to. I have retooled the team to include Victini and Porygon2. I'll post their sets below. RMT WILL come once I hit the HOF again (promise!)

    Porygon2 @ Eviolite
    Trait: Trace
    EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Toxic
    - Recover

    Victini @ Fight Gem
    Trait: Victory Star
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - V-create
    - U-turn
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Brick Break
  13. Texas Cloverleaf

    Texas Cloverleaf meh
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    Hall of Fame Registration Form
    Pokemon Online Username: Texas Cloverleaf
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Sceptile
    Screenshot of Top 80 Ladder Ranking:
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set:

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    Sceptile (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Overgrow
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Leaf Storm
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Ice]


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    Politoed (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Toxic
    - Protect
    - Perish Song
    
    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunder
    - Water Pulse
    
    Tentacruel (M) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Rain Dish
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Rapid Spin
    - Protect
    
    Sceptile (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Overgrow
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Leaf Storm
    - Focus Blast
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    
    Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Bounce
    
    Ferrothorn (F) @ Rocky Helmet
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Power Whip
    - Gyro Ball
    Peak: #78, 1367
    Current Ladder Ranking: #103, 1345
  14. SlimMan

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    I forgot the password for my registered alt, so instead of registering a new one and starting over right away, I'll probably chill for a week or two, then go for it.

    Oh, and congrats Texas. I <3 Sceptile, and I'm glad to see him enter the HoF.
  15. ToF

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    Pokemon Online Username: hi bye
    Hall Of Fame Standing: Gold
    Current Dark Horse Pokemon: Chansey, Sableye, Sharpedo
    Current Ladder Standing: 1334
  16. Pocket

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    Congrats Texas Cloverleaf for reaching HoF! LO Sceptile on a Rain team, eh? I could definitely see Rain help remove sand and hail, which could easily rack up residual damage on Sceptile.

    Interesting team, complete legitimacy :d You could easily run less Speed and maybe even SpA and invest more in its HP / SpD to absorb Rain hits a lot better. 248 HP / 100 SpA / 160 SpD, Modest Nature will give Rotom-W a good chance to even survive 2 Rain-boosted Hydro Pumps from LO Starmie after SR.
  17. Katakiri

    Katakiri Listen, Brendan...
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Cobalion, Virizion, & Terrakion
    Current Ladder Standing: 1200


    Terrakion isn't a Dark Horse, but it should be noted that I'm limiting myself to strictly using all 3 of the Musketeers on the same team like last time.
  18. NatGeo

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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working with: FERLAIGATR!
    Current Ladder Standing: 1218
  19. Mafeking

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    Katakiri; Terrakion currently has 14% usage in OU, meaning it doesn't count as a Dark Horse. Cobalion and Virizion do though! ^_^

    Updated through CuteGeo. <3
  20. Bad Ass

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    rawgharath so close to gold, but my team is tilting and i can't get back up! i used Raikou and Slowbro.



    here's my team:
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    Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Steadfast
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Close Combat
    - ExtremeSpeed
    - Crunch

    Raikou @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Volt Switch
    - Calm Mind
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Gyro Ball
    - Power Whip

    Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - U-turn
    - Rock Slide

    Jirachi @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Iron Head
    - Fire Punch
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Punch

    Slowbro (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunder Wave
    - Slack Off

    The main goal of the team was to use Nattorei to come in on all the bulky waters and lay hazards while Slowbro gave me a nice core and counter to SS teams. Jirachi broke down walls pretty easily. After spikes, nothing could really handle it -- even stuff like Jellicent got 2hko'd after SR and Spikes. Landorus was there to get scout damage with hazards and U-turn and handle dangerous speed boosting threats and form a VoltTurn core.

    Lucario and Raikou played cleanup -- Lucario moreso. I often used Raikou's bulk to handle bulky waters, Gengar, and more special attackers. He also tore down ran teams. I used Lucario over Terrakion so that I could get extra priority. Extremespeed gave me a really big advantage. After Jirachi does his thing (especially to opposing SpDef Jirachis, Gliscor, and Slowbro), Lucario can pretty much clean up most of the time.

    I went on a crazy winning streak with this team (31-1-1), and then kind of leveled off at 1440...but I got here! Sitting pretty low now, doubt i'll be able to get it back up.
  21. Ambicrow3

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    Current Ladder Standing:917

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    Shuckle@Leftovers
    Ability:Sturdy
    EVs: 252 hp/88 def/168 SpD
    IV's:0 Atk/ 0 SpA
    Moves
    -Power Split
    -Toxic
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk
  22. Pocket

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    Congrats, Bad Ass - you should be proud of that impressive ladder peak :D (so close to the next threshold, though!) Interesting Raikou set - somewhat reminiscent of SD Scizor with U-turn > Bug Bite :d And is that Slowbro really Calm Nature??

    I love the innovative sets that you guys create to succeed with these Dark Horse mons! Keep up the groovy work -O-
  23. Bad Ass

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    yeah, it's calm. it's my only fire resist so it was quite useful when taking fire blasts from heatran. with some hazards down it can score a 2hko on bold slowbro. just a little tweak special to my team.
  24. Lady Alex

    Lady Alex This game sucks. Ban everything and it might not.

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    Pokemon Online Username: Alexandria
    Hall of Fame Standing: Gold class
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Suicune
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000 -> 1331 -> 1371 -> 1399

    Alright! Made dark horse again for this month!

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    I feel kinda bad about how I did this time. With the team I originally made, I kept getting so close to top 80, but just couldn't quite make it, so I decided to drop the team and use a team I already had with suicune added on to it. My first team had so much trouble dealing with common threats that smart playing could only take me so far. Looking back on it, I guess I was just trying to use Suicune as an inferior Latias, which is something that disappoints me. I started out using roserade and deoxys-D for dark horse in addition to suicune, but roserade wasn't pulling her weight and deoxys-D's hazard support doesn't really help suicune in what it aims to do. I only stuck with suicune because it's always been one of my favorite pokemon and I wanted to get it into the hall of fame before dropping it. Maybe my problem lay in the fact that I should have used a set other than CroCune. If anyone has any suggestions to my original team, I'd love to hear them. I wouldn't mind trying to make suicune as viable as possible lol.

    Hall of fame team

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    Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Serene Grace
     EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Spd
      Timid Nature
     - Nasty Plot
     - Air Slash
     - Substitute
     - Baton Pass
      
    Espeon (M) @ Leftovers
     Trait: Magic Bounce
     EVs: 128 Def / 128 SAtk / 252 Spd
      Timid Nature
     - Calm Mind
     - Hidden Power [Fighting]
     - Stored Power
     - Baton Pass
      
    Ninjask (M) @ Focus Sash
     Trait: Speed Boost
     EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 128 Def / 128 Spd
      Impish Nature
     - Substitute
     - Protect
     - Baton Pass
     - X-Scissor
      
    Mew @ Leftovers
     Trait: Synchronize
     EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Spd
      Timid Nature
     - Taunt
     - Iron Defense
     - Baton Pass
     - Amnesia
      
    Suicune @ Chesto Berry
     Trait: Pressure
     EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
      Modest Nature
     - Scald
     - Ice Beam
     - Hidden Power [Grass]
     - Rest
      
    Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Water Absorb
     EVs: 12 HP / 212 Def / 240 SAtk / 44 Spd
     Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
     - Scald
     - Substitute
     - Acid Armor
     - Baton Pass
    
    


    This is just a baton pass team I made a loooong time ago, except I got rid of Celebi for Suicune. Suicune worked ok in this team. It's coverage helped frequently, but whatever.

    Original team (peaked at 1331, rank 128)

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    Politoed (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Drizzle
     EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
     Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
     - Scald
     - Toxic
     - Perish Song
     - Protect
      
     Suicune @ Leftovers
     Trait: Pressure
     EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
     Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
     - Scald
     - Calm Mind
     - Rest
     - Sleep Talk
    
      Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
     Trait: Poison Heal
     EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spd
     Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
     - Earthquake
     - Toxic
     - Protect
     - Substitute
    
      Tentacruel (M) @ Black Sludge
     Trait: Rain Dish
     EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Spd
     Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
     - Scald
     - Toxic Spikes
     - Rapid Spin
     - Protect
    
      Torunerosu (Tornadus) (M) @ Choice Specs
     Trait: Prankster
     EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
     Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
     - Hurricane
     - Taunt
     - Rain Dance
     - Focus Blast
      
     Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
     Trait: Iron Barbs
     EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
     Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
     - Stealth Rock
     - Leech Seed
     - Power Whip
     - Protect
    


    This is the same team I tried making dark horse project with the first month, but barely failed to do so, which caused me to switch to cress. Once again, I couldn't quite make it. There are occasions where Suicune saves me from utter defeat, but there are also occasions where it's dead weight. Toxicroak and breloom are nightmares for this team. The only thing on my team that threatens breloom is tornadus. SD toxicroak basically 6-0s me. Ferrothorn is terrible to deal with as well. I essentially have to rely on getting a burn or weakening it enough for tornadus to finish it off with a hurricane. Gliscor and tentacruel are probably my most negotiable slots (I would say suicune, but since the team is aimed at supporting suicune, I guess I'm not going to get rid of it). Tentacruel gives me redundant electric weakness and gliscor can do absolutely nothing to gengar and skarmory, only adding to the list of pokemon I can't touch.

    How did you choose your Dark Horse Pokemon for this project?
    I chose suicune simply because I utterly adore it. I've always found it to be one of the most beautiful pokemon ever since it was released and I wanted to get it into the hall of fame.

    How did you go about building a team for your Dark Horse Pokemon? Before I decided to use my rain team, I attempted to use a balanced non-weather team with suicune, roserade, and deoxys-d. The idea seemed really great on paper. Suicune and roserade have good defensive synergy, deoxys-d can easily set up hazards, allowing for me to clean up late game with scarfed haxorus. In the end, it didn't work very well. After that I dropped roserade and deoxys-d and decided to use a rain team that utilized toxic spike support to help suicune deal with water absorbers who normally wall it. The team focused heavily on accumulating damage on the opponent through stealth rock damage and toxic stall gliscor to open the way for suicune to sweep or for tornadus to clean up. In the end, I barely missed hall of fame with it, so I decided to use a different suicune set on a baton pass chain as a last ditch effort to win if the chain got broken.

    Do you think it is more difficult or less difficult to ladder with a Dark Horse Pokemon? Why? For my past 2 dark horse runs, I said easier, simply because everyone underestimates cress, despite the fact that she's an amazing wall, and dugtrio is already well-known for its utility. This time, however, I had a significantly harder time going up the ladder. My rating would constantly go up and down. As soon as I would get close to making hall of fame, I would end up losing several matches in a row, bringing me back down. Cress offered an amazing surprise factor, and I thought Suicune would do similarly, but it really didn't. I used CroCune, so it didn't bring much to the table as far as defensive or offensive surprise goes. Unlike Cress, Suicune intends to sweep the opponent late game. Where Cress gives the team defensive support in reflect and toxic/t-wave, Suicune requires extensive support from the entire team in order to have a chance at success.

    How did you reach the Hall of Fame? At the very end of my run this time, I decided to completely change teams and use a baton pass team. It worked, because I really needed the change of pace.

    What was the most challenging aspect of this project? Facilitating Suicune's sweep. There were just so many things I had to take into consideration before attempting to to set up Suicune. If my opponent had a water absorber, I had to be absolutely sure that it was badly poisoned before even attempting to calm mind. On top of that if my opponent had tentacruel on their team, I had to get rid of it as well, otherwise my t-spikes would be useless. Scarf rotom-w and scarf/specs latios were also hindrances in setting up with suicune. Not so much from their offensive presence, but from the constant threat of being tricked. I had ferrothorn who could safely switch in on both of them, and I always had to hope they would try to trick ferro, giving me an opportunity to set up with suicune later. The longer they held on to their choiced item, the worse position it would put me in if I couldn't nail them with a toxic from gliscor on the switch.

    Pokemon Online Username: Centennial Festival
    Hall of Fame Standing: 3 times ;D
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Mew, Deoxys-D
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000 -> 1374

    4th time!

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    Team Importable

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    Dragonite (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: Multiscale
     EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
     Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
     - Dragon Dance
     - ExtremeSpeed
     - Fire Punch
     - Outrage
      
    Gengar (M) @ Black Sludge
     Trait: Levitate
     EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
     Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
     - Substitute
     - Shadow Ball
     - Focus Blast
     - Disable
      
    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
     Trait: Swarm
     EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
     Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
     - U-turn
     - Bullet Punch
     - Superpower
     - Pursuit
      
    Deoxys-D @ Rocky Helmet
     Trait: Pressure
     EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
     Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
     - Stealth Rock
     - Spikes
     - Taunt
     - Magic Coat
      
    Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf
     Trait: Levitate
     EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
     Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
     - Volt Switch
     - Hydro Pump
     - Trick
     - Hidden Power [Ice]
      
    Mew @ Leftovers
     Trait: Synchronize
     EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
     Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
     - Aura Sphere
     - Nasty Plot
     - Fire Blast
     - Psychic
    


    yay, I made it with mew! Mew is another of my favorite pokemon, who, unlike my previous dark horse suicune, pulls its weight excellently. My team is a pretty standard offensive team that's similar to the ones you used to see in the deoxys-s era. Deoxys-d functions almost nearly as well and exactly the same as its faster counterpart, having almost guaranteed 2 layers of hazards. One thing that I like about deoxys-d over deoxys-s is that it isn't always relegated to the lead position if I think my opponent is going to start with an unfavorable matchup. I can't express how much I love magic coat on deoxys. It laughs at opposing deoxys-d and sableye, as well as giving me a shot at sleeping venusaur who tries to set up in the sun, which can be a hassle for my team to deal with. For mew, I was inspired to use nasty plot mew after having seen snunch's success with it in ST8, and I was not disappointed at all by its performance. Mew is a powerhouse once it gets to +2, and, with deoxys-d support, it has to worry a lot less about barely missing the 1hko like it normally does. I originally had shadow ball over fireblast, which helped against lati twins occasionally, but being able to beat jirachi 1 on 1 was way too important for me to forgo fireblast. This team's biggest problem is easily tentacruel. Gengar can't spinblock it and there isn't a lot I can do to prevent it from getting toxic spikes out.

    Replays:
    http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Centennial-Festival-vs-chokmi--2012-03-12
    http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Centennial-Festival-vs--TheWorld---2012-03-12
    http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Centennial-Festival-vs-Ciele--2012-03-12

    How did you choose your Dark Horse Pokemon for this project? I just really like mew, and wanted to try out the nasty plot variant, since I usually use stallbreaker. I chose deoxys-d because I knew that mew needed hazard support to land important 1hkos, and deoxys-d imo is the best pokemon for quickly getting hazards down

    How did you go about building a team for your Dark Horse Pokemon? It was really simple. I had mew and deoxys, so I used gengar to spinblock, rotom + scizor to build up hazard damage, and dragonite to simply tear holes in things. Dragonite turned out to be the weak link of the team. I found myself rarely using it for anything but extremespeeding to finish off pokemon who had gotten a dragon dance or chlorophyll sweepers.

    Do you think it is more difficult or less difficult to ladder with a Dark Horse Pokemon? Why? Using mew was a lot easier than using suicune since mew has much more offensive diversity and brings a lot more instant power to the table. Another thing I liked about mew is the fact that a lot of people fear the stallbreaker set, giving me a free set up opportunity.

    What was the most challenging aspect of this project? I found myself in more 50/50 situations than I usually experience. For example, if my opponent carried both celebi and mamoswine and I had rotom out, I wasn't able to reliably predict the switch. If I volt switch and hit mamoswine, I give it a free turn, but on the other hand, if I hydro pump celebi, I give it a free turn. Generally, the best I could do was to take the path to beat the pokemon that would give me a harder time. Mamoswine is a lot harder for my team to switch into, so I would usually hydro pump. If they went to celebi, Gengar is usually a safe switch in.





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