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The Dark Horse Project IV

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Birkal, Oct 2, 2012.

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  1. Jayde

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    dw, i'm probably doing more of victini first, but i'll still try to destroy you when the time comes(;

    i like your team, but i'd definitely want to fit rapid spin on tentacruel somewhere. most probably in place of toxic since toed has it, but substitute / protect also seems a little redundant, usually it's just one or the other imo.

    @ master of the six kings i don't really think either gene or terra really poses a threat to him. you'd be surprised at how well lapras takes unboosted t-bolts from genesect, and lando-t/defensive tentacruel deal with terra quite well; he just has to play smart with lando and keep it alive.
  2. FastFlygon

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    Genesect was dealt with primarily by forcing it to switch into moves (eg. Latias DM) and using that and rocks to wear it down. I'm actually not sure I saw any scarfers that weren't Genesect AND weren't weak to Ice Shard... the damn bug is so popular it's usurped the role on tons of teams - I only saw Scarf Mence, Landorus(-T), Rotom-W and Haxorus. The former two dislike Ice Shard intensely, and neither can break Landorus solo either, apart from a predictive HP Ice (I would generally use Toed for Landorus-I). Haxorus also loses to Landorus, although I would often prefer Landorus->Politoed so I could conserve the former's HP. Generally I would have to play around Rotom - Latias doesn't really care about its moves which is nice, so once I got a Scald burn or Toxic on it I could stall it out pretty easily. Having 2 Protects is very helpful for this, although I sometimes wished I had it on Landorus too haha.

    If I had fought a Scarf Terrakion, I would probably have relied on the combination of Landorus, Tentacruel, Latias and Politoed to beat it, depending on how much health they variously had left. Any other set is less threatening because Jolteon can easily revenge it provided rain is up. Genesect would probably have been a lot more dangerous to the team if I didn't have Jolteon - Latias isn't always enough to kill it and Ebelt coverage moves would shred through the rest of the team. I believe Lapras can tank a +1 Thunderbolt if Rocks are not up, although Waterfall does not OHKO. Tentacruel is probably in the same boat, although it is pretty rare for it to be at 100% because I make use of its resistances a lot. I definately agree with the sentiment that Landorus has to be played smartly, because losing intimidate before getting some solid damage on enemy sweepers is a big setback.

    The main threat to the team was Latios, in my experience. Without a Steel, I had to Poison/Burn it and then variously switch around absorbing Meteors with Tentacruel and to a lesser extent Lapras. It would end up doing a lot of damage (think 1-2 kills) every time I fought it, despite Jolteon being an excellent answer once it was down to about 65%. I think pretty much every game I lost was to either Latios or a team with both Hippowdon and Tyranitar - inclusing one incredibly frustrating game in which a Latios survived Signal Beam with 2% of its health and proceeded to, I kid you not, sweep me with CM Luster Purge :(.
  3. Huntofthelion

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  4. Groudon ex

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    Ok trying this again since Charizard was ass...

    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Warrior
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Sigilyph
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000
  5. col49

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    So if the ladder reset isn't a factor, I guess I just got Bronze rank lol. I'll post my thoughts later, though I question the legitimacy of achieving it this way .-.
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  6. ClubbingSealCub

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    Rank 5 with 1600 points?

    I guess giving the ladder some time to stabilize would be fair.

    Pocket EDIT: Sorry Clubbin, but grayed accounts on the leaderboard doesn't count for obvious reasons.
  7. ganj4lF

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    Lol, he's technically right since there's no hard deviation requirement (we're just required to be in the appropriate top XXX); however I agree that it's pointless to grant Bronze rank for a stint like that, just after a ladder reset, and I suggest adding a fixed deviation requirement in addition to the existing ones, to solve the problem.
  8. FastFlygon

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    There is a minimum 1950 Glicko2 rating though, which he fails to attain. it's probably only a couple of wins, but he's not HoF just yet :P.
  9. ganj4lF

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    Oh, yeah, I was still thinking to the old requirements. My point is still valid though :)
  10. Master of the Six Kings

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    The placement on the ladder really doesn't matter though, since Glicko determines rank. Even at number 5 he is no where near anyone else who has top 5'ed the ladder, which i think is an indication that the system is working as is.
  11. alkinesthetase

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    hmm that is definitely weird. due to the ladder reset, has the 80 dev requirement for top 100 on ladder lifted? if that's the case we should definitely implement a dev cutoff of our own, but for now i think we can just wait and let things stabilize a bit

    EDIT: ah, thanks for the clarification fastflygon
  12. FastFlygon

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    The deviation requirement applies only when there are enough plays to populate a full leaderboard. In tiers like Hackmons which see very few players, provisional alts still saw the leaderboard right before the reset. As soon as more people start laddering the provisional accounts will get pushed down and off to make way for those that are not provisional.

    TL;DR it's not a problem you just gotta wait a little guys!
  13. Lady Alex

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    Here's my screenshot for Deoxys-D.

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    Deoxys-D @ Tanga Berry Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 6 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Taunt
    - Magic Coat


    Deoxys is bullshit. It seriously needs to be banned. Genesect too. Free win basically. This metagame sucks. /rant
  14. alkinesthetase

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    i was waiting for someone to steal deoxys-D from eranu =P in terms of being "easy" to ladder with, it's probably one of the easiest dark horses available right now, so anyone could chase after it. good stuff, lady alex! now let's see if eranu will steal it back from you

    and guys lavos is still grandmaster, what is this shit
  15. ssbbm

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    charizard does not suck

    dh poke:char
    alt: fuckitshcarizdr
  16. Pocket

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    Man Lady Alex is a Dream Crusher, eliminating 2 HoFers ;o

    Also, greyed accounts on the leaderboard are not ineligible for HoF; one must lower their deviation to have their names show up in black. Specifically, you need a deviation of 80 to enter Dark Horse's Hall of Fame!
  17. Lady Alex

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    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Thief Queen
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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Zoroark
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: 20xx

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    Zoroark @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Illusion
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Dark Pulse
    - Flamethrower
    - Trick
    - Focus Blast


    Scarf Zoroark was a great way to get an early kill on genesect, which makes many teams lose a huge part of their offensive momentum.
  18. Adamant Zoroark

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    Well, I'd compete with Lady Alex with Zoroark laddering, but I was planning on laddering with something else, so...

    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Head Smashed
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    Head Smashed was a clean alt when I decided to use Stoutland, so I don't have to change alts right?
  19. Lady Alex

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    Updated my post.

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    Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Calm Nature
    - Substitute
    - Snatch
    - Baton Pass
    - Yawn


    Umbreon wasn't amazingly useful, but having yawn on a BP team was pretty convenient. Snatch also gives me a way to scare volcarona when I'm confident it will lead
  20. TROP

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    I was waiting for chomp for my 5th run.
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  21. Lady Alex

    Lady Alex I asked Mawile to not hurt me. I was betrayed.
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    I have the same question as lucaroarkz. Didn't realize one of my pokemon was a dark horse and will update my list if I'm allowed to do so.
  22. Pocket

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    If it's a fresh alt that you haven't started laddering, then yea, you can add it
  23. ssbbm

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    ok i gotta do another run since charizard is gay because i dont wanna run sun

    dh: honchkrow + staraptor + mantine + golurk + accelgor + gothitelle
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    gonna do that^ later
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    dh: porygon2+claydol + mantine + cofag + roserade + rotom-h
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  24. Lady Alex

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    Ugh, I'm going to think of something else later. Virizion is so mediocre.
  25. alkinesthetase

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    wow ssbm hardcore man, going for ANOTHER team of dark horses

    also, for fun, here are some stats: on the leaderboard of total HoFed alts, lady alex is in the lead with a whopping FIVE complete dark horse runs, followed by tropious with 4. molk and master of the six kings are tied behind at 3 alts each
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