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The Dark Horse Project

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by ginganinja, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. Lady Alex

    Lady Alex Mew is blue
    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    Aug 28, 2010
    I decided against Salamence because I usually end up needing mamoswine to do its job early game, and didn't want to risk a speed tie with opposing Scarf moxiemences, so I used Garchomp instead. I'm generally just unimpressed with Dragonite right now. Kyurem-B, on the other hand, does a whole lot of work and gives both rain and sun hell.
  2. Jayde

    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a defending World Cup of Pokemon champion

    Jul 20, 2011
    another alt change, sorry! was testing out a weird set and it didn't really work, so now testing a slightly less weird one and it's doing quite well
  3. toshimelonhead

    toshimelonhead Allergic to Losing
    is a Tiering Contributor

    Nov 24, 2009
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: toshiistesting
    Hall of Fame Standing: Bronze
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Heracross
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: brainstorming team/sets (may use 6 mons, but will for sure use Hera)
  4. Temp V1

    Temp V1 Movin' at the speed of life and I can't slow down

    Aug 18, 2012
    Alright, time to break the community contributor in under 100 posts :d Figure it might as well be on something fun :)

    Pokemon Showdown username: Hax LGI
    Standing: 1000
    Hall of Fame Standing: Bronze (Landorus-T)
    Dark Horse: Uxie


    EDIT: Done

    This run through made me sad, 2 off silver then the Hax which made me chose the alt reered its head, dropped 4 straight to crits/misses. Was a sad day. Still, finished in just over 2 hrs, my slowest yet :( Good fun as always :)

    Proof of Bronze (open)


    The Set

    Uxie @ Light Clay
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
    Timid Nature
    - Memento
    - Stealth Rock
    - Light Screen
    - Reflect

    Discussion (open)

    How did you choose your Dark Horse Pokemon for this project? What lead you to choose the Pokemon you did? Did you have regrets or were you happy with your selection?

    Well this was my second run through this month, and I didn't really feel like using Landorus-T again so I had to pick something different. My old team for last months DHP looked appealing, although Terrakion was on the team so I couldn't use that team. However that did allow me to get thinking again on how to make a new team that could be supported by Uxie, so I did, and here we are again.

    How did you go about building a team for your Dark Horse Pokemon? Which kinds of teammates did you consider? What factors contributed to the team you created?

    I used a team very similar to my last DHP team, however Terrakion was obviously changed out. Thankfully he did not play that much of an integral role on the team, so the transition was quite easy. For more on that find my discussion from last month :3

    Do you think it is more difficult or less difficult to ladder with a Dark Horse Pokemon? Why? Does the element of surprise play a factor in your battles? Is it easier to fight with a "highly used"" team or with Pokemon that are less common?

    Again probably something that can be found in my previous discussion response. I still don't know why more people don't use Uxie, granted it my be overlooked in the fast as fuck, highly powered meta, but its still as good as any utilitymon.

    (For Hall of Fame members only) How did you reach the Hall of Fame? Was it easy or difficult? Did having a Dark Horse Pokemon on your team benefit you? What advice would you give to those laddering with Dark Horse Pokemon?

    Winning. My team wins, simple as that, so it didn't take all that long. Sadly it did take me over 2 hours to achieve my peak, 2:14 to be exact, but I guess I nearly made silver, rather than just mid bronze, so I have to be happy with that :d Once again, wasn't really difficult at all. Hax happens, but you just push through it and grind it out. With a team like mine that isn't too difficult.

  5. ClubbingSealCub


    Jun 23, 2012
    Okay so after a lot (and I mean a lot) of Sleep Powder misses by Lilligant; I decided to drop it. Not worth the loss of hair, even if Liligant is an amazing pokémon.

    Started another run with SANDSLASH MAH BOI and got it to 1783 in around 2 hours, so I'll keep going on that.

    Pokemon Showdown! Username: ClubbingSealCub (It had a fresh rating this afternoon 'cuz I hadn't used this one in a long time)
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: EXCADRILL LITE MAH BOI
    Hall of Fame Standing: na
    Current Ladder Standing: 1813 ACRE / 1954 +- 100 Glicko2
  6. TROP

    TROP ur a faget
    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    Apr 6, 2011
    Because I ran out of ideas to justify using regular Kyurem instead of Kyurem-B, starting this again.

    Pokemon Showdown! Username: 343I sucks
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Xatu and Lando-T
    Hall of Fame Standing: n/a
    Current Ladder Standing: [​IMG]

    Sets used:
    Xatu (open)
    Boss from Mexico (Xatu) (M) @ Rocky Helmet
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 252 HP / 64 Spd / 192 Def
    Bold Nature
    - U-turn
    - Heat Wave
    - Roost
    - Thunder Wave

    Landorus-T (open)
    Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 64 Atk / 200 HP / 144 Def / 100 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge

    Speed is because I found getting killed by Tentacruel bad, so I decided to speed creep it.

    Too lazy to the answer the questions so making this short: I used these guys because they looked like decent partners for Kyurem-B, taking care of his biggest fears, give it really appreciated hazard support, and the most important reason, a safe switch in.

    I forgot that Landorus-T was also a Dark Horse, so I forgot to register it, but I used it every single game.
  7. PDC

    PDC this cruel thesis
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Team Rater Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a defending World Cup of Pokemon champion

    Mar 18, 2010
    Changing up my Dark Horse Pokemon to Umbreon.

    Nick : the pdc cancel
    Ranking : zero
  8. /B/utterfree


    Sep 3, 2010
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: /V/riska
    Hall of Fame Standing: N/A
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Dusknoir
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: n/a

    >implying this will be easy for someone of my lacking calibre
    >implying this will not enrage PKGaming
  9. Level 51

    Level 51 google sheets is my spirit animal
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Battle Server Moderator

    Dec 16, 2011
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Usage Level
    Hall of Fame Standing: N/A
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Tangrowth, Sandslash
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: 1604 (Current), 1613 (Suspect)
  10. ganj4lF

    ganj4lF Nobody is safe from the power of science!
    is a Team Rater Alumnus

    Jun 11, 2011
    So sad I have to give up again this project. Real life is not being kind with me, I'm very busy and build / test / ladder with a new team takes quite a bit of time, at least to me. I don't want to run my old team again just to complete this challenge, since it's already seen and won't spark new ideas; however I'd like to let a feedback on the poke I was trying to use anyway:

    Togekiss @ Leftovers | Serene Grace
    Calm | 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
    - Body Slam
    - Air Slash
    - Heal Bell
    - Roost

    This thing, coupled with a Magic Bounce user, makes a very valuable defensive pivot that can spread paralysis at will (except on Ghosts). Tornadus-T's Life Orb Hurricane deals 45% average, and, unlike SpD Rotom-W, Togekiss resists U-Turn and has reliable recovery. Choice Scarf Genesect is unable to 2HKO it (and may even fail to 3HKO it) without a SpA boost; LO versions are indeed more dangerous, but they are completely screwed by Body Slam anyway, so they won't stay in so easily. Its Flying type, also, avoid Arena Trap, which is good since we all know how commong Torn-T + Dugtrio (or Genesect) are. In addition, it does have an usable Defense and awesome Special Attack stats, so it's harder to set up on than, say, Blissey, and can actually dish out some real damage with Air Slash, abusing its paralysis (and synergizing (does this word even exist?) with other paralysis inducers into your team) Heal Bell is just the icing on the cake, making Togekiss harder to stall and providing huge team support. Of course, without a Magic Bounce user it's a pain to play around SR, since with 25% damage almost all the 3HKOs are 2HKOs, and Togekiss's speed is not really good. However, with the proper team support, this thing can be valuable even in today's meta, infested by powerful, fast attackers; pokes like Garchomp, Sub Terrakion and things like that LOVE paralysis, since they can completely wreck a team after a turn of set up, and they can fish for it thanks to Substitute. Even CB sets, or other things that are only stopped by so-so speed, can take advantage from this set.

    Good luck to everyone and to this awesome project; hopefully the next time I'll be a little less busy and can contribute better.
  11. jaredz99


    Dec 23, 2010
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: ComeGetSome
    Hall of Fame Standing: Got Bronze last time with Walrein.
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Abomasnow, Walrein, Zapdos
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: N/A
  12. ScraftyIsTheBest

    ScraftyIsTheBest It's Showtime! Are you ready?
    is a Contributor to Smogonis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Sep 5, 2012
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Let It Snow!
    Hall of Fame Standing: N/A
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Abomasnow, Mienshao
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: 1540
  13. MapleDoom


    Oct 4, 2012
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Kristen Stewart
    Hall of Fame Standing: 1000
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Smeargle
    Current Ladder Standing on Pokemon Showdown!: 1000
    Full Set:
  14. dwarfstar

    dwarfstar mindless philosopher

    Apr 7, 2011
    I'm glad I discovered this - it'll be interesting to see where it goes. I've been using three Dark Horses on this sun team for the duration of BW2, but the new "OU Current" being distinct from OU gives me a chance to join in.

    PS username: dwarfstar
    Hall of Fame standing: N/A
    Dark Horses: Landorus-T, Lilligant, Kingdra
    Current ladder standing: 1560

    SETS (open)

    Zeke (Landorus-T) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 SpA
    Naive Nature
    IVs: 30 Spe, 31 others
    -Stone Edge
    -Hidden Power [Ice]

    Sekot (Lilligant) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 60 Def, 196 Spe, 252 SpA
    Modest Nature
    IVs:31 HP, 31 Atk, 30 Def, 30 Spe, 31 SpA, 30 SpD
    -Leaf Storm
    -Healing Wish
    -Sleep Powder
    -Hidden Power [Rock]

    Krisse (Kingdra) @ Life Orb (might change to Lum Berry)
    Trait: Swift Swim
    EVs: 116 Atk, 232 Spe, 160 SpA
    Lonely Nature
    IVs: 31 HP, 31 Atk, 30 Def, 30 Spe, 30 SpA, 31 SpD
    -Dragon Dance
    -Hidden Power [Fire]
  15. Joel


    May 15, 2009
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: I Won't Win
    Hall of Fame Standing: Nope
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Rotom-Fan
    Current Ladder Standing: None
  16. mudkipmanxp5


    Aug 14, 2010
    Sorry, alt change. Lost a lot of games so i changed up my team a bit and started a new alt.
  17. MapleDoom


    Oct 4, 2012
    Changed name after losing a series of matches... :P
  18. jaredz99


    Dec 23, 2010
    Changing the username from ComeGetSome when I realized that I cheated because I already signed up with this alt for the DoT project - new alt is KCChief, same pokes (aboma, walrein, zapdos)
  19. gengarsnemisis


    Dec 2, 2011
    Honestly, Medhicham just plain sucks, I thought its huge attack could make it usable in ou but...don't even bother with it is my advice! Going to edit my op shortly with a new dark horse.
  20. TUO


    Jun 5, 2012
    No one used Volbeat yet? Im suprised
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Volbeat>Jumpluff
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Volbeat, Yanmega
    Screenshot of Top 100 Ladder Ranking: None yet lol
    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set: Its subject to change so i will not post
  21. dwarfstar

    dwarfstar mindless philosopher

    Apr 7, 2011
    So, Kingdra seems to have the role of "kill one thing and immediately die a horrible death". I originally picked her up because of her anti-rain potential (and the thought of the look on an opponent's face when he saw a Ferrothorn go down to Kingdra, of all things), but she actually seems to die faster against rain than other team types. I'm considering dropping her, honestly - do you have suggestions for a better Dragon, or should I keep going with Kingdra a little longer? (The remaining three team members are Ninetales, Heatran, and Starmie, if that helps.)
  22. Pocket

    Pocket Apo, the astronaut's best friend >:3
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    Dec 22, 2004
    The biggest problem for Kingdra is being Ferrothorn bait. Make sure your team has a safe switch-in for Ferro lest you want to suffer a slow spiky death D:

    I guess you can give Kingdra HP Fire to effectively lure and kill Ferro, but it's not even a guaranteed 3HKO in the rain.

    Outside of Ferrothorn, it's a solid mon. I've been using a slightly gimmicky set with DD - Outrage - Hydro Pump - Draco Meteor @ Dragon Fang with decent results. Max SpA, enough Speed to be faster than Jolly Breloom, rest in Attack; Mild / Rash Nature. Lure in physical walls that tries to stop DD Kingdra, only to punish them with Hydro Pump & Draco Meteor. People think that Kingdra is forced to switch out after the special drop from Draco Meteor, only to meet with a DD-boosted Outrage >:D. You can try Surf @ LO for a more accurate Water STAB and for a bit more bite on its Outrage and Draco Meteor than DFang's 20% boost.

    Other than the above set, you can't go wrong with Max SpA / Max Spe Timid LO Special Rain Dance Kingdra - Rain Dance / Hydro Pump / Ice Beam / Draco Meteor. You should have no problem being revenge-killed thanks to Swift Swim :)
  23. dwarfstar

    dwarfstar mindless philosopher

    Apr 7, 2011
    My Kingdra actually does have HP-Fire lol. She's EV'd to outspeed max Speed Timid Jolteon at +1 and OHKO Dragonite through Multiscale with Outrage unboosted (with Life Orb factored in), with the rest put in SpA to give Hidden Power a little more bite. I'm wary of switching to an all-special set because the only other physical attacker on my team is Landorus-T, and if he and Starmie are dead, then Blissey is a colossal pain (my Sleep Powders usually miss, and when they do hit, the opponent wakes up the turn after I switch in the next Pokemon). Ferrothorn isn't much of a problem as long as the weather isn't rain, since Ninetales and Heatran can both OHKO with Fire Blast even in neutral weather.
    I like that weird Dragon Dance set of yours - in general, I like weird sets - but the other one is a complete non-starter for me, since this is a sun team.
    Thanks for the feedback!
  24. TUO


    Jun 5, 2012
    Restarted as i joined 4 matches in a row where i lost since my internet DC'd and i lost to inactivity. Ill try again sooner or later once i get a better connection.
  25. MrCookie


    Mar 11, 2012
    Pokemon Showdown! Username: Theburgerking100
    Hall of Fame Standing: none
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: PorygonZ
    Current Ladder Standing: None
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