I would disagree, sure TTar/Scizor can deal with him, but then we get into the argument that it is overcentralising and I would disagree that there are nough OU pokemon to handle him. As he does not have a counter (or even a situational counter) he can hit anything very hard with many of his varying sets (which make him even harder to counter) this usually means he can always (without much effort at all) kill one poke and cripple another so as to get KO'ed by the next poke. This is without even playing skillfully, if one was to play skillfully, Mence can decimate teams, tearing holes in the enemy team. Yes you may say he can be revenge killed, but that means nothing if he just switches out and a counter to the poke that was meant to kill him with Ice shard etc. dies. Sure Dnite is very similar, but the fact he is lacking in Speed and and offense, and makes up for it with Bulk is detrimental. Especially as Ice is a very common attacking move and usually can OHKO him or at least severely cripple him. Therefore he must always be played offensively to counter his ice weakness and can never take full advantage of his stats, something Mence can do. This is why Dnite will probably not be Suspect IMO. I have been playing Suspect 24/7 since it came out, till about a couple of days ago. I would disagree there is that much Stall, sure it is more than OU, but OU is offensive to the extreme. Besides, if you cannot break most stall you should go back to the drawing board as that shows a serious question about your skills. Also, within Suspect, most Dnites, tend to be CBNite, which is easily taken advantage. In fact, I would go ahead and say that ScarfGon is more of a dangerous threat in Suspect. If you cannot break stall, like players have done in previous generations with your current tactics and strategy, go remake your team and use old sets like CBTar and TyraniBoah for example, like we have done for a long time. These have proven effective in the past, and should remain so. IMHO, a metagame without Mence is far more balanced and fun to play and I would suggest many of you, who are commenting about Mence in here, to go try Suspect out and see for yourselves. However, I would advise you not to come back here whining that there is too much Stall, yes most dislike stall, but at least put in effort into breaking it. For me, Mence IS broken.