Maybe we could play a generation four match sometime :) The only place where I can find matches semi consistently is on PO beta server's ladder. But yes I am actually (in my subjective opinion) very good at DPP OU and UU although I didn't play until the very end of the generation. My best DPP UU team was stall and when Heracross came down to UU I had to improvise, I had to use HP Flying on my Weezing since Fire Blast wouldn't do enough to boosting variants or Sleep Talk variants. I have more than a 0 chance to beat teams with NP Togekiss, I have beat them before by being a smarter player; setting up Rocks quickly and forcing out Togekiss by way of Taunts and status and phazing. The last time I beat a team with NP Togekiss my opponent had it at just under 40% on my Arcanine and it desperately needed the Roost; I out speeded and KOd. This is all irrelevant, tournaments irrelevant, last generation teams are irrelevant. UU ladder is a whole different beast now and it is going to take brave new stall teams to have a chance of standing. If you have one, could you share a stall team that was creative in this generation in this UU with here? Obviously I would be wrong if you can show that. Creativity cannot exist in a stall team if you want to successfully ladder, I never said anything about tournaments because I am ignorant about tournaments and I never said anything about last generation because that is just not the same as what we have to deal with now. I have an insanely difficult time with NP Togekiss, no amount of creativity is going to help this. If you bring up Togekiss to say my team can be broken, fine, but I fail to see how that has anything to do with creativity. Let's say though for a moment I was insanely weak to Kabutops and Entei and Carrascosta and Crawdaunt (all of which I can actually only deal with decently). Is creativity using unexpected Pokemon, unexpected sets to deal with threats? If so, then using a Poliwrath would indeed be creative an excellent way to deal with all of these Pokemon. I use Poliwrath, for creativity demands it, Kabutops, Entei, Crawdaunt, Carrascosta all demand it! The ladder demands something else, the ladder demands a good team. Those threats are do not exist on the ladder to the point where I should prepare for them so fine, I will let them beat me on occasion. It is far better to let them trounce on me (which they really can't) than to lose to things Milotic counters for me like Yanmega or Chandelure. Creating a good team for the ladder means conforming to the ladder, conforming to the ladder means stamping out creativity.