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The Level 1 Metagame

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by Arcticblast, May 26, 2013.

  1. Arcticblast

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    [PIMG]488[/PIMG][PIMG]304[/PIMG]The Level 1 Metagame[PIMG]647[/PIMG][PIMG]495[/PIMG]
    Credit to iliketrains11 for the idea

    The Level 1 Metagame, as you might have guessed, is played at level 1. All Pokemon's stats are very similar and movepools can be truncated on some of the best Pokemon, EVs are completely screwed up, and natures no longer make a difference on any Pokemon except Shuckle. In addition to the level requirement, all Pokemon must be obtainable at level 1 in this metagame. Surprisingly, thanks to wacky evolution methods and events, this includes such behemoths as Palkia, Heracross, Regigigas, and Porygon2, and all of these fully evolved Pokemon are perfectly legal! Fear not, however - because of the tiny differences in stats, Pokemon such as Shieldon and Tangela have risen to the challenge of fending off these beasts. In addition, Snover and Hippopotas are legal. Let's look at a few example Pokemon, shall we?

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    Accelgor
    Bug

    80/70/40/100/60/145
    Accelgor might look bad at first glance, but factoring in the low stats of all Pokemon, Accelgor makes for one of the most interesting Scarfers around. It Speed ties Exeggutor in the sun and any +1 Speed Pokemon, can hit from both sides of the spectrum, and can even use Yawn or Knock Off.

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    Manaphy
    Water

    100/100/100/100/100/100
    Manaphy is actually unaffected by EVs at level 1, but it gets Tail Glow at level 1, making it an incredibly fearsome sweeper.

    Banlist:
    - Drought
    - Sonicboom
    - Dragon Rage
    - Berry Juice

    List of eligible Pokemon (open)
    * - fully evolved
    + - level-up illegalities
    ----RBY----
    Bulbasaur
    Charmander
    Squirtle
    Caterpie
    Weedle
    Pidgey
    Rattata
    Spearow
    Ekans
    Pichu
    Sandshrew
    Nidoran-F
    Nidoran-M+
    Cleffa
    Vulpix
    Ninetales*
    Igglybuff
    Zubat
    Paras
    Venonat
    Diglett
    Meowth
    Psyduck
    Mankey
    Growlithe
    Arcanine*
    Poliwag
    Abra
    Machop
    Bellsprout
    Tentacool
    Geodude
    Ponyta
    Slowpoke
    Slowking*+
    Magnemite+
    Farfetch'd*
    Doduo
    Seel
    Grimer
    Shellder
    Cloyster*+
    Gastly
    Onix
    Steelix+
    Drowzee
    Krabby
    Voltorb+
    Electrode*+
    Exeggcute
    Exeggutor*+
    Cubone
    Tyrogue
    Lickitung
    Koffing
    Rhyhorn
    Happiny
    Chansey
    Tangela
    Kangaskhan*
    Horsea
    Goldeen
    Staryu+
    Starmie*+
    Mime Jr.
    Mr. Mime*
    Scyther
    Scizor*+
    Smoochum
    Elekid
    Magby
    Pinsir*
    Tauros*+
    Magikarp
    Gyarados*+
    Lapras*
    Ditto*
    Eevee
    Vaporeon*+
    Jolteon*+
    Flareon*+
    Porygon+
    Porygon2+
    Porygon-Z*+
    Omanyte
    Kabuto
    Aerodactyl*
    Munchlax
    Snorlax*
    Dratini
    ----GSC----
    Chikorita
    Cyndaquil
    Totodile
    Sentret
    Hoothoot
    Ledyba
    Spinarak
    Chinchou
    Togepi
    Natu
    Mareep
    Azurill
    Marill
    Bonsly
    Sudowoodo*
    Hoppip
    Aipom
    Sunkern
    Sunflora*+
    Yanma
    Wooper
    Murkrow
    Honchkrow*+
    Misdreavus
    Mismagius*+
    Unown*
    Wynaut
    Wobbuffet*
    Girafarig*
    Pineco
    Dunsparce*
    Gligar
    Snubbull
    Qwilfish*
    Shuckle*
    Heracross*
    Sneasel
    Teddiursa
    Slugma
    Swinub
    Corsola*
    Remoraid
    Delibird*
    Mantyke
    Mantine*
    Skarmory*
    Houndour
    Phanpy
    Stantler*
    Smeargle*
    Miltank*
    Larvitar
    ----ADV----
    Treecko
    Torchic
    Mudkip
    Poochyena
    Zigzagoon
    Wurmple
    Lotad
    Seedot
    Taillow
    Wingull
    Ralts
    Surskit
    Shroomish
    Slakoth
    Nincada
    Whismur
    Makuhita
    Nosepass
    Skitty
    Delcatty*
    Sableye*
    Mawile*
    Aron
    Meditite
    Electrike
    Plusle*
    Minun*
    Volbeat*+
    Illumise*+
    Budew
    Roselia
    Roserade*
    Gulpin
    Carvanha
    Wailmer
    Numel
    Torkoal*
    Spoink
    Spinda*
    Trapinch
    Cacnea
    Swablu
    Zangoose*
    Seviper*
    Lunatone*+
    Solrock*+
    Barboach
    Corphish
    Baltoy+
    Lileep
    Anorith
    Feebas
    Castform
    Kecleon*
    Shuppet
    Duskull
    Chingling
    Chimecho*
    Absol*
    Snorunt
    Froslass*+
    Spheal
    Clamperl
    Gorebyss*+
    Huntail*+
    Relicanth*
    Luvdisc*
    Bagon
    Beldum
    ----DPP----
    Turtwig
    Chimchar
    Piplup
    Starly
    Bidoof
    Kricketot
    Shinx
    Cranidos
    Shieldon
    Burmy
    Combee
    Pachirisu
    Buizel
    Cherubi
    Shellos
    Drifloon
    Buneary
    Glameow
    Stunky
    Bronzor+
    Chatot*
    Spiritomb*
    Gible
    Riolu
    Hippopotas
    Skorupi
    Croagunk
    Carnivine*
    Finneon
    Snover
    Rotom*+
    Dialga*+
    Palkia*+
    Regigigas*+
    Giratina*+
    Phione*+
    Manaphy*+
    ----BW2----
    Snivy
    Tepig
    Oshawott
    Patrat
    Lillipup
    Purrloin
    Pansage
    Simisage*
    Pansear
    Simisear*
    Panpour
    Simipour*
    Munna
    Musharna*
    Pidove
    Blitzle
    Roggenrola
    Woobat
    Drilbur
    Audino*
    Timburr
    Tympole*
    Throh*+
    Sawk*+
    Sewaddle
    Venipede
    Cottonee
    Whimsicott*+
    Petilil
    Lilligant*+
    Basculin*
    Sandile
    Darumaka
    Maractus*
    Dwebble
    Scraggy
    Sigilyph*
    Yamask
    Tirtouga
    Archen
    Trubbish
    Minccino
    Cinccino*
    Gothita
    Solosis
    Ducklett
    Vanillite
    Deerling
    Emolga*
    Karrablast
    Escavalier*+
    Foongus
    Frillish
    Alomomola*
    Joltik
    Ferroseed
    Klink+
    Tynamo
    Elgyem
    Litwick
    Axew
    Cubchoo
    Cryogonal*+
    Shelmet
    Accelgor*+
    Stunfisk*
    Mienfoo
    Druddigon*
    Golett+
    Pawniard
    Bouffalant
    Rufflet+
    Vullaby
    Heatmor*
    Durant*
    Deino
    Larvesta
    How to EV your Pokemon (open)
    Under construction

    Good sets (open)
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    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    Level: 1
    EVs: 220 Def / 236 SAtk
    Hardy Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split

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    Scizor @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    Level: 1
    EVs: 120 HP / 36 Atk / 196 SDef / 156 Spd
    Hardy Nature
    - U-turn
    - Bullet Punch
    - Superpower
    - Quick Attack

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    Natu @ Eviolite
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    Level: 1
    EVs: 116 SAtk / 116 Spd
    Docile Nature
    - Thunder Wave
    - U-turn
    - Roost
    - Psychic

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    Last edited: Aug 3, 2013
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  2. Doughboy

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    It is going to be pretty annoying trying to find what pokes have what moves :(

    I would just like to note that OU's best combo returns to the lvl 1 metagame: ScizorWash (yes all the moves checked out for legality)

    Rotom-W @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 220 Def / 236 SAtk
    Hardy Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split

    Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 120 HP / 36 Atk / 196 SDef / 156 Spd
    Hardy Nature
    - U-turn
    - Bullet Punch
    - Superpower
    - Quick Attack

    Now you might be thinking "Doughboy, wtf are you doing with those natures and EV spreads?" Well, upon experimenting I have found that it seems natures don't seem to "work", that is they do not boost a Pokemon stats anymore instead it only lowers one of them. This means that most of the time, you are better running one of the 5 neutral natures, such as Hardy, to get the highest stats. You also have to check to see if you can use EV's you save through minimum investment to add up enough to effect different stats. In the case of Rotom-W, none of them worked. In Scizor's case, however, it made a huge difference. With the current EV spread Scizor has 13 HP / 8 Atk / 7 SpD / 7 SpA OR 7 Spe. With just a plain 252 atk / 252 HP AND an Adamant Nature, you still only get 13 HP / 8 Atk. In other words, you missed out on the extra Special Defense and Speed.
    _______________________________________________________

    Right now we (and when I mean mean we, I mean mostly I) have a few unresolved questions:

    1. Are there circumstances where natures DO raise stats? So far I have not found any

    A. Only the might Shuckle can raise its stats, since it is the only Pokemon to have a non-HP stat above 200, in its case Shucke has 230 Defense and Special Defense. The stat raise is only by 1 point.

    2. How do offensive stats vs defensive stats compare? Does the metagame become bulkier or more offensive with the difference between maximum vs minimum stats being much less (the lowest being 4 and the highest being 8!!!!)? Or does it stay the same, i.e. is it all relative The 4 comes from the overall lowest a Pokemon stats can be outside of shedninja's 1 HP. Meanwhile the high, 8, comes from Palkia's / Dialga's special attack (the high base stat in the entire tier)(not counting HP since it conveys to a Pokemon slightly differently. 100 base HP = 13 HP stat).

    A. So while testing with Articblast I came to the conclusion that base stats do not really matter in the level 1 metagame. The range for stats is so small (minimum of 4, usual maximum of 8) that base stats don't really matter in differentiating Pokemon. Thus the most important thing in the level 1 metagame is a wide movepool, a good ability, and a fairly good typing (opposite of BH). That is why Smeargle, the legendaries, and certain evolutions will be top dogs in this metagame,

    3. Since Pokemon's attacking stats "only" differ by small amount, what kind of attack can they run? For example, Scizor's Attack is 8, but its SpA could also be 7. The ratio of its max SpA vs max Atk is hugely different than it is at level 100. For example, (7/8) = SpA is 87% as powerful as Atk, (decided not to use boosting nature) but at level 100 209/359 = SpA is only 58% as powerful as Attack!!!

    A. This was addressed above a little bit but the metagame is slightly more inclined to offense now because most Pokemon can actually utilize both attacking stats now. To put it into perspective, Scizor now can actually use Vacuum Wave as a priority move. Yeah. Generally if you can get a Poke to both 8 and 7 on their attacking stats, you got a mixed attacker on your hands. Movepool is what matters, which is what makes Dialga, Palkia, and Arcanine so fearsome to face.



    All good questions I would love answers to. Got Them!
  3. Bent1ey

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    Do you intend to consider the egg glitch that can fetch you level 1 evolved pokemon that wou cannot normally get in Emerald?
  4. Arcticblast

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    Pokemon can't be level 1 in Emerald.

    Anyway, after extensive testing with ThePillsburyDoughBoy, I have decided that Drought is ridiculously broken and needs to be banned. Specs Ninetales 2HKOs even the bulkiest walls (sans immune ones), Specs Vulpix comes pretty damn close, and Lilligant is easily capable of 6-0ing teams with a Growth set.
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  5. Doughboy

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    This will be a metagame that will involve no glitching, just natural 1 vs 1 pokemon.
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  6. The Reptile

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    Things to note:

    • The highest stat for the offenses that is possible is 8 (assuming no EVs). The minimum attack needed to reach this is a base attack of 135. The same rules apply to Special Attack, so I'm going to assume it applies to all stats outside of HP. (I think a table of stats benchmarks would be nice). Meanwhile, the lowest is 5 (this applies to defenses as well). The highest for defensive stats is 9, however, only Shuckle can reach this to my knowledge.
    • As probably expected, the closer a stat is to reaching the next benchmark (i.e. base 134 being incredibly close to 135) requires less EVs to reach this. (i.e. Breloom needs 36 EVs to have an attack stat of 8, while Dragonite only needs 4).
    • Most NFE / low stat pokemon end up with an average stat total of 6/6/6/6/6/6 and 12 HP (uninvested). Meanwhile, FE pokemon usually follow the same trend, except they have 2-3 stats that reach 7 and sometimes one that reaches 8. HP stats also vary for the FE pokemon, but they are usually between the 12-14 range. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule.
    • Pillsburry is right, all natures do is lower stats as far as I can see. For this reason, the neutral natures are the best for all.
    • Speed ties, speed ties everywhere.

    Anyways, onto pokemon.

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    Escavalier (M) @ Life Orb / Choice Band
    Trait: Swarm
    Level: 1
    EVs: 116 HP / 240 Def / 116 Spd
    Serious Nature
    - Megahorn
    - Iron Head
    - Swords Dance / Return
    - Pursuit

    Before I continue, I want to say that investing in attack does nothing, so there is no point. Escav has great attack and good bulk (13/8/7), not to mention decent speed (6). You can either SD and boost, or go hit-and-run with a CB set. Movepool is still shallow, so yeah. There really isn't much else to do here to be honest, other than I guess move the defense EVs to spdef. The main thing Escav has over Scizor is Megahorn, which is much stronger than Bug Bite and U-Turn.


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    Ferroseed @ Eviolite
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    Level: 1
    EVs: 84 SAtk / 200 Spd
    Serious Nature
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Iron Head / Spikes
    - Stealth Rock

    Ferroseed is pretty neat. Special Attack and Speed are the only stats affected by EVs. It's SpAtk and Attack are the same after the EVs, and since it doesn't get Power Whip, Giga Drain is the main STAB of choice. HP Ground hits Fire-types SE, although you have no business staying in on them. It also hits Steels SE, and has pretty good coverage. Alternatively, Iron Head is an option for another STAB move. It is chosen over Flash Cannon for mixed attacking. Iron Head is your secondary STAB move. However, if you feel that you don't need it, Spikes can be used instead. Stealth Rock, while not the best move in the game this time, is still a decent choice.

    Also, I slightly disagree with DoughBoy. While it is true that pokemon can now go mixed offensive, they can also go mixed defenses. There is also the fact that Eviolite is a thing, boosting the already good defenses of most pokemon to even better levels.

    Also, stats are important - as long as you are a Fully Evolved pokemon. This is because, again, they cannot boost their defenses like NFE's can. Luckily, they have better stats by nature, making some of them much better for offense. Also, just like in LC, I don't think Leftovers are a good idea in this meta. I'd use ChestoResto over Lefties and Pain Split on that Rotom-W set.
  7. qtrx

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    @The Reptile: Rapin Spin on Staryu is only obtainable through the use of the Pomeg Glitch, since it's genderless and can't have egg moves. I expect said glitch to be allowed (like in LC) though.

    Lots of mons suddenly become TR viable since they only need to run a -Spd nature to out-slow a majority of the metagame.

    Leftovers seems good on paper, since it heals 1/12 - 1/14 of your mon's HP now as opposed to 1/16 (which is different from the situation in LC), and LO is great too, while hazards (esp. Spikes) are not as good as they are in OU, both due to similar reasons.

    EDIT: Flame Orb Guts is great too, while Leech Seed is severely weakened. So many percentage-based mechanics are screwed lol. And Smeargle can now actually make use of its enormous movepool to run some attacking sets. Marill and Meditite definitely have potential too. Chansey returns as the bulkiest of all mons (probably even without Evio this time) as with a 236 Def / 236 Spd spread she boasts beastly 16/5/6/6/8/6 stats.

    @Arcticblast: You'll surely want to ban SonicBoom, Dragon Rage, Oran Berry, Berry Juice, etc. right?
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    I can see Oran Berry sticking around. Berry Juice gives 20 back, which only a focus sash Blissey would really need, but whatever.

    And ya, sonic boom and dragon rage are OHKOs on everything.
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    I suspect these will be banned, just like LC
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    Is Oran Berry banned though?
  11. Arcticblast

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    The Pomeg Glitch yields Pokemon at level 5 and is thus irrelevant to this metagame.

    Thanks for reminding me. I'll leave Oran Berry unbanned for further testing, but the other things are out.
  12. The Reptile

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    Whoops, overlooked the fact that Staryu was genderless. Well, that sucks. :( That would also mean Recover is out of the question as well, right?

    I'd still imagine that Leftovers aren't that great, since Lefties would only recover 1 HP per turn most of the time I think. Life Orb is pretty good though, for the same reasons why Leftovers aren't that great imo. Hazards could still be useful, since they let you break random sashes and give some minor residual damage, although I will admit that Spikes needs 2 layers in order to do anything significant, and you need to be weak to SR for it to do anything as well. I definitely agree that they are not as good as in OU though, but they can still see some use imo.

    Flame Orb Guts looks pretty good, as you're usually taking just as much damage as a LO user (only I guess constantly) but getting more power. Also, I will admit that Leech Seed also doesn't seem that great, all things considered.

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    Heracross (M) @ Flame Orb
    Trait: Guts
    Level: 1
    EVs: 76 Atk / 76 Def / 36 HP
    Serious Nature
    - Megahorn
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - Swords Dance / Facade

    Heracross is cool, since it gets STAB Megahorn and Close Combat. 13/7/7 bulk is pretty decent, and Guts Boosted 8 attack CCs and Megahorns are going to hurt. Stone Edge hits the flying pokemon that resists your STAB combo, and SD is for setting up. Alternatively, Facade is pretty strong if you think setting up isn't worth it.
  13. Edricky

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    Awesome. I actually had an idea like this a while back (didn't say anything because I thought it would be frowned upon, lol), so that's cool(the difference I had was that it made only lvlup moves as able, but I think this would work really cool.

    I had my eyes on a few different 'Mons, but idk which ones are the best. I can tell you right now, though, that stat-boosting abilities, items and moves are gonna be big... Also, the BP of moves is prob gonna be important, although its pure speculation at this point.

    I'd battle someone in this if they wanted to, too.

    Edit: Ooh, Marill looks good... 116 HP/116 Atk and your stats are 13/6/6/5/6/6; double Attack and it becomes 13/12/6/5/6/6. CB, and its 13/18/6/5/6/6. With STAB Priority. Yeah, sounds appealing...

    Double Edit: I will actually except match requests in this, I got a team now. Very ragtag.
  14. Harbinger of Peace

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    This is a very interesting metagame. Stall seems legit in this puny pokemon meta.
  15. iliketrains11

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    probably the most powerful pokemon in the entire metagame...
    Clamperl
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    item: deepseatooth
    Shell smash
    scald
    ice beam
    hidden power fire/ground

    also, thanks for making an actually good version of the level 1 thread
  16. Edricky

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    Why did no one notice this earlier lol?!

    Before an SS, it's stats are (With a EV spread of 88 SpAtk / 236 SpDef / 24 Spd, though you can put 168 in Atk and give up something else if you want to but I don't suggest that) : 12/6/7/7/7/6; DeepSeaTooth makes it 12/6/7/14/7/6, and SS makes it a ridiculous 12/12/6/26/6/12 (I think); That's abso-freaking-OMG-lutely ridiculous. (And I thought Marill would be great lol) Now we must see about stuff like Cubone, etc... (Lol this'll be fun.)

    I'll edit this post with some findings unless someone else posts in which case I will simply respond.

    Not the edit you wanted: I noticed there is a few errors in the eligibility list, like the fact that you cannot have Electrode or Ditto at Lvl one. I'll comb through it but only post it if someone wants to hear it.

    ALSO, The edit you do want to hear, is that Marill and Clamperl are really the only of that sort (Ability and Item) that really would do good through theorymon (I want to battle someone in this so bad lol, Theorymonning is dangerous.); Meditite has no good stat except Attack, and it's only Priority is Bullet Punch and Fake Out. And Cubone is too slow, has bad movepool and the Attack is not really good enough IMO to use it. Really fully evolved mons are looking the best right now lol. ALSO, Regigigas looks actually OK lol, IDK what Slow Start will do to it's capabilities but it has the exact same tools it would use in any other tier at its disposal (Return/Fire Punch/Sub/T-Wave) and it could do well. (Also, Gigas' Attack reaches 9 after Slow Start so it's got the highest stat in the tier, sorry DoughBoy, Lol)
  17. iliketrains11

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    this one might sound like a joke, but i'm 100% serious.
    Extreme Killer Smeargle.
    item: oran berry
    ability: technician
    moves:
    belly drum
    extremespeed
    mach punch/spore/aqua jet
    shadow sneak/spore/sucker punch/aqua jet
    after belly drum, smeargle has 24 attack, spam whatever priority move makes the most sense, and win.
    for the choice of sucker punch or shadow sneak, sucker punch is stronger but riskier, but shadow sneak is a safer move
    spore is optional if you want a safer time setting up belly drum, but it's not required since smeargle doesn't die to everything like it does in "standard" battling.
    edit: sucker punch
  18. Agent Gibbs

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    Magnemite with an Oran Berry seems like a pretty interesting Pokemon in this metagame. It's got the typing to switch into a wide variety of attacks and heal up with its Oran Berry if it needs to. The cool thing about Magnemite, however, is the fact that it can get down to 11 HP. This means that once Sturdy has been activated, Magnemite can eat its Oran Berry and recycle Sturdy. It even learns Recycle so that it can recycle is Oran Berry which in turn recycles the recycling of Sturdy, only to be recycled again by Recycle.
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  19. Heroes and Cons

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    Druddigon seems like it would be pretty powerful. Stats barely different from that of Palkia (slower though), and it gets Sucker Punch in addition to Glare, Outrage and Superpower.

    And I second the above post by iliketrains11, Extremekiller Smeargle sounds pretty devastating actually.
  20. iliketrains11

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    i kind of feel like drought shouldn't be banned, it's not like any chlorophyll pokemon are really overpowered with it
  21. Gerard

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    It's not really one mon but the combination of all of them, they only need one to sweep through your team and Ninetales is a lot better in here than in OU being the only FE weather starter
  22. simsims2800

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    Wat.
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  23. Edricky

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    I like this.

    Also, is there a place where this is actually being played and I'm just unknowing? 'Cause I want to play this.
  24. iliketrains11

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    i don't think oddish, bellsprout are going to be sweeping entire teams any time soon. dialga 4x resists grass, and is immune to poison so they won't really be going anywhere because of that...
  25. Edricky

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    List of Pokemon with Chlorphyll available at lv 1(might have missed some):

    Bellsprout
    Cherubi
    Deerling
    Exeggcute
    Hoppip
    Lilligant
    Maractus
    Oddish
    Petilil
    Seedot
    Sunflora
    Sunkern
    Tangela
    Tropius
    Bulbasaur
    Cottonee
    Whimsicott

    Hmm. And that's not counting the Fire-Types, Solar Power-ers, and anything else that benefits from permanent 50% power boost to fire, one-turn Solarbeam and 50% weakened water. Among other things. It's not necessarily broken-at-first-sight, but with a wee bit of searching you see some of the powerhouses like Lilligant, Whimsicott, idk Sunflora, Tropius, Deerling maybe, idk but it would be overcentralizing even if it were able to be contained. 'The only reason to run water moves is if you run another weather' yeah there's sand and hail but sun is so much more powerful right off the bat (Blizzspam/Drilbur+Sandshrew core versus Ninetales and six Chlorophylls...)

    I'm fine with it in case no one else noticed lol.

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