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The New LC Usage-Based Threat List [PLEASE CONTRIBUTE]

Discussion in 'BW LC' started by Woodchuck, Jan 6, 2013.

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  1. dcae

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    Reserving Drifloon
  2. apt-get

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    I don't really like how this turned out :< c'mon guys, post pokémon for the threat list!

    Reserving Larvesta.
  3. Delver

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    Reserving Elgyem and Archen for when i get around to it.
  4. Superpowerdude

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    reserving foongus
  5. Rowan

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    I was gonna do foongus... although, it was like 2 months ago when i reserved it so you can have it :)

    Reserving Pawniard!
  6. dinodino56

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    Hope it wasn't too bad LOL
  7. Electrolyte

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    I can give a quick review because Larvesta <3

    This is a pretty nice explanation; you covered most major points well. Be sure to include that its unique typing gives it a resistance to Grass, Fighting, Bug, and Ice type attacks- letting it wall a significant amount of threats, such as Mienfoo or Snover.

    Also, U-turn is extremely important for Larvesta, as it forces a lot of switches and can hit switch ins for a lot of damage as well as pivot out for momentum. More emphasis on Morning Sun, too, as not even all reliable walls get better recovery than that, despite its weakened healing under weather.

    Is Choice Scarf Larvesta really a thing? I honestly have never seen even one. That's not really worth mentioning, in my opinion. Larvesta's main niche is bulky pivoting and burn support- taking its Evilite away takes away Larvesta's bulk and longevity as well as its only unique niche. (Scarf Darumaka > Scarf Larvesta anyway)


    I'll be reviewing more in the future, so be sure to get your paragraphs done, guys!
  8. Nozzle

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    Reserving pony >:3


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    Ponyta (open)

    Ponyta
    Type: Fire
    Base Stats: 50 HP/ 85 Atk / 55 Def / 65 SpA / 65 SpD / 90 Spe
    Abilities: Flash Fire / Flame Body
    Roles : Pivot / Physical Sweeper


    Having great Speed and Attack while having decent bulk makes Ponyta something to watch out for. It has good coverage between STAB Flare Blitz, Wild Charge and Return and it has access to Flame Charge; Add a Life Orb and a potential Flash Fire boost to that and you have something that is incredibly hard to wall. But due to Life Orb, Flare Blitz and Wild Charge recoil it will wear itself down pretty fast. However, Ponyta is known to be one of the greatest Pivots in LC due to it's great overall stats. With an Eviolite and it's access to Morning Sun it is quite hard to take out, while still hitting hard and having great speed. It also has Flame Body to burn unsuspecting physical attackers like Mienfoo. It can run a Sunny Day set to great success due to Flare Blitz hitting harder, healing more with Morning Sun, potentially ruining Sand teams, and hitting her usual checks (e.g. Chinchou, Ground types) with Solarbeam.




    Please point out if you see any mistakes or weird sentence orders. My grammar is horrid.
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  9. The Quasar

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    I see Riolu LC Hub Description has been done by Electrolyte. So I reserve Ferroseed, i can start it from July 15th.


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    Ferroseed
    Type: Steel / Grass
    Base Stats: 44 HP / 50 Atk / 91 Def / 24 SpA / 86 SpD / 10 Spe
    Abilities: Iron Barbs
    Roles : Bulky Wall / Entry Hazard


    Ferroseed with its particular typing and excellent defensive stats can be considered to be definitely a great defensive pokemon. First of all its ability: like its evolution Ferrothorn, Iron Barbs will deal damage to the opponent if Ferroseed is hit by a contact move. That's useful against opponent spinner and and U-turn too. Stealth Rock and Spikes, leads us to use it as a very good entry hazard; Leech Seed and Protect are a easy way to bypass dangerous attacks (like fire- or Fighting-type attacks) and recovery HP, the possible use of Thunder Wave to cripple the opponent is another string on its bow. Gyro Ball and Bulled Seed ensure enough STAB attack, despite the fairly low base Atk. If Ferroseed must be a strong deterrent to spinner Staryu (Impish Nature), else is very good Gyro Ball (Relaxed Nature and O Spe Ivs).

    Ferroseed can form a defensive core with Frillish (the opponent can't spin against it and both cover very well the other's weaknesses). For its own purposes, the greatest danger is obviously Taunt opponent. So Cottonee, Houndour, the same Frillish and above all Misdreavus and Murkrow are malicious for it.


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  10. Pen Ink

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    I added some other things like Meowth's weak movepool and tough time with steel types, but that could be taken out. I thought if these are to serve as an introduction to the tier, some cons should be listed, but that's my opinion.

    hope it's not too bad lol.
  11. Sage of the 6

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    I think I'll reserve dwebble
    Actually changing my mind to frillish. Dwebble is up for grabs. Should be done in 2 or 3 days.
  12. dcae

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    Just gonna say I had already done Dwebble, and I just remembered about this thread, going to try to get Drifloon done now.
  13. Sage of the 6

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    Sorry ill make sure not to do anything already done, I'm new to Internet forums. (Here is Cottonee as frillish was done already)

    Cottonee (insert picture here)

    Base stats: HP 40/Atk 27/Def 60/SpA 33/SpD 50/Spe 66
    Abilities: Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll(DW)
    Roles: Prankster abuser

    Cottonee is a unique pokemon that can play a key role in supporting your team. The first thing you'll see when looking at Cottonee are its horrific offenses. It won't do any damage a all with attacks. It's defenses are good when boosted with an eviolite, but they're not stellar. It looks to be a very mediocre pokemon, until its abilities are revealed. Prankster can turn the abomination of pokemon into a useful part of your team. Cottonee's movepool is tailored to abuse prankster, which gives all non attacking moves +1 priority. Leech seed is used on all Cottonees because it has no other form of recovery, and it can easily wear down opponents pokemon while gaining its health back. Stun spore is a staple on Cottonee due to it being able to cripple common sand sweepers that are otherwise immune to paralysis such as Drilbur and Sandshrew. Either protect or substitute is used on Cottonee to help gain leech seed recovery, but both have their different qualities. Protect will help Cottonee scout for its team against choiced attackers. Substitute however blocks status, which is the bane for Cottonee. The last move is very up to the user. Taunt can shut down hazards setters like Ferroseed, while encore stops dangerous set up sweepers like Scraggy or Axew cold. Memento, though rare, can bring in one of your sweepers for free. Though it seems like Cottonee is incredibly well protected, it can fall quite easily. Hazards are the first step to taking down Cottonee. They chip away at it so it can't heal fast enough. Toxic rips it apart, if you predict it on the switch. Foongus is the best switch in, being immune to leech seed, not caring about taunt, and having a super effective sludge bomb. To use Cottonee effectively, you need practice, prediction, and creativity. Once you have those down, the littl puff ball will make your opponent rip their hair out every time.

    Please edit, it's my first time doing something like this. Also not see if to put EVs or not.
  14. Electrolyte

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    Pawniard is mine

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    Pawniard
    Base stats: 45 HP / 85 Atk / 70 Def / 40 SpA / 40 SpDef / 60 Spe
    Abilities: Defiant / Inner Focus / Pressure
    Roles: Setup Sweeper, Bulky Attacker, Revenge Killer

    Steel-type Pokemon are known for their above average defenses and good slew of resistances, and Pawniard is no different. However, it is unique in the fact that it does not use its bulk and resistances to play the role of a wall- instead, it uses them to buy it opportunities to set up Swords Dances and then sweep. Its solid 45 / 70 / 40 defenses help it sponge many different common powerful attacks of the tier, including Brave Birds, Blizzards, and Shadow Balls, to name a few. Its natural bulk give it tons of opportunities to set up Swords Dance, as its resistances are many. Swords Dance turns Pawniard into a frightening sweeper- boosting its already beastly base 85 Atk to extreme levels and letting it at least 2HKO almost any Pokemon in the tier. Its moderate base 60 Speed may not seem like enough for it to beat some faster threats like Drilbur, but that's where its next most useful move comes into play- Sucker Punch. Sucker Punch lets Pawniard KO Pokemon that are faster than it, making it an almost unstoppable sweeper once its opponent's team is weakened. Sucker Punch also lets Pawniard fulfill a revenge killing role, as it hits fairly hard and can easily cleave off 30+% from opponents.

    Pawniard still has its flaws, however. Fighting-types are the bane of Pawniard, as most are bulky enough to take an unboosted hit / outspeed and OHKO with the proper STAB move. Pawniard's 4x Fighting-type weakness makes it difficult to safely set up and successfully sweep as nearly every single team carries a Fighting-type that can force it out. (Pawniard does have a Speed advantage over some (Scraggy / Mienfoo) and can actually defeat them once it achieves enough Swords Dance boosts to take them out with Iron Head.) Faster Pokemon with status moves such as WoW Misdreavus or Parafusion Murkrow can also give Pawniard trouble by bypassing the Sucker Punch and crippling it.
  15. Conzipe

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    I'll try reserving Porygon.
  16. Pen Ink

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    Porygon was already reserved, but that user posted in April and hasn't done it yet, so I guess it's fine.
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    Porygon
    Base Stats: 65 HP / 60 Atk / 70 Def / 85 SpA / 75 SpD / 40 Spe
    Abilities: Trace / Download / Analytic (DW, unavailable in LC)
    Roles: Bulky Attacker / Tank

    With great stats, a good movepool and access to recover and eviolite, Porygon holds it's place as one of the best bulky attackers in the tier.
    Depending on it's EV spread it can take hits from a big variety of common threats such as Murkrow, Misdreavus, Snover, Drifloon and Chinchou. Then it can proceed to either recover of the damage, cripple them with status or take chunks of their health with STAB Tri Attack or it's other common moves such as Ice Beam, Shadow Ball and Charge Beam/Thunderbolt.
    Trace is also a great asset for Porygon, making it able to gain access to abilities such as Regenerator, Prankster, Sand Rush, Natural Cure, Magic Guard and Volt Absorb, all of which are common in the LC metagame.
    Porygon can also be used more offensively with Life Orb and Agility or by using a Choice item and Trick. With a Choice Scarf and Trace Porygon gains an important niche in being able to outspeed and revenge kill Drilbur in sand, one of the most dangerous threats in LC.

    With a hate for toxic and a problem with common fighting-types (Mienfoo, Scraggy and Timburr), Porygon is prevented from letting it's epileptic colors shine even more. However if your team is in the need of something that can take strong physical or special attacks that isn't a powerful fighting move and dish out good damage in return, Porygon will rarely let you down.
  18. Hawkstar

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    I got Aipom
  19. The Quasar

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    I reserved Axew.

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    Axew
    Type: Dragon
    Base Stats: 46 HP / 87 Atk / 60 Def / 30 SpA / 40 SpD / 57 Spe
    Abilities: Rivalry/ Mold Breaker/ Unverve
    Roles: Physical Attacker, Sweeper

    Axew can be evaluate like a good choice about Dragon-type Pokemon in LC. It has a decent base 57 Speed and a sufficient 60 Defense; but is its shocking 86 Atk makes Axew a dangerous pokemon, enough to be considered lethal if you don’t pay close attention to it. A fairly good movepool can ensure a good coverage moves, to apply the best of his strength. Which becomes awesome after a single Dragon Dance (also increasing its speed, the primary goal about using alternative Choice Scarf), so that you can sweep several enemies. Also it has a good ability like Mold Breaker, able to overlook the frequent levitate.
    Despite this potential, there are many possible Axew’s counters, also related to the possible Outrage locked in. Steel-types as Magnemite and Bronzor don’t fear Axew attacks. As well as is not so easy to keep away Axew from anything with priority in LC. Riolu with Bullet Punch and Copycat, Timbur with Much Punch, Snover with Ice Shard are so (too much?) common.
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  20. The Quasar

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    About LC Usage-Based Threat List, I thought it could be useful to update list of what has already been done and what needs to be done to complete it, considering the current usage list (June 2013)

    You can find a summary here => http://pastebin.com/tJNWEmX8

    We can terminate Threat List, starting from the pokemon with highest rank, if you agree.
  21. cxinlee

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    Reserving munchlax
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  22. The Quasar

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    Reserved Dratini.

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    Dratini
    Type: Dragon
    Base Stats: 41 HP / 64 Atk / 45 Def / 50 SpA / 50 SpD / 50 Spe
    Abilities: Shed Skin, Marvel Scale (not released, DW)
    Roles: Physical Attacker, Sweeper

    Although with statistics unexceptional, Dratini is a possible choice for an offensive team. Its not negligible attack, with a combined access to Dragon Dance, it’s a good business card; it’s often preferred to Bagon for access to priority moves like Aqua Jet and ExtremeSpeed and also for its more substantial, Draco Meteor is a decent alternative for obvious strong but locking Outrage, Watefall and Aqua Tail are deadly weapons. Also Dratini has a varied movepool, although the bitter truth, its stats are sufficient to reduce a lot of the real options.

    It's possible to use the common eviolite, but also it's one of few LC pokemon with the right characteristics to recommend the use of Life Orb, boosting its already dangerous attack. Take advantage about Entry Hazard support, turns Dratini in a great sweeper; other strategy to employ is protect itself with a substitute (direct or with baton pass) avoiding direct attacks on opponent's switches.

    Unfortunately, There are few countermeasures that can be taken against it, because many opponent which can switch off its peculiarities. Physically bulky (like Bronzor or Munchlax) and well-strong or immune on ExtremeSpeed (like Misdreavus) manages to be a great Dratini counters. Hail is not surely a good battlefield for it, too.
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  23. The Quasar

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    I have refreshed 'mons list following the july statistics. You can find a summary here: http://pastebin.com/6zAg7Dkv
    There aren't so many pokemon missing, I hope we can finish that on august.
  24. The Quasar

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    I reserved Tirtouga.

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    Tirtouga
    Type: Water/Rock
    Base Stats: 54 HP / 78 Atk / 103 Def / 53 SpA / 45 SpD / 22 Spe
    Abilities: Solid Rock, Sturdy, Swift Swim
    Roles: Sweeper, Physical Attacker, Support

    Tirtouga is very versatile, with a high regard on LC. With a good physical defense, its abilities are all playable successfully, choosing that is the right answer, depending on team.Solid Rock allows you to better resist damage to enemies, Sturdy prevents KOed from full HP, Swift Swim give doubles speed during rain (rain teams are not so frequent, but can be an advantage for itself). Large selection, then. That combined with a decent movepool, starting from the use of Shell Smash, which increases your stats and makes it really deadly (with or without White Herb); together an investment of 212 Evs, Shell Smash boosts by one stage its already significant Atk, making powerful aqua tail/waterfall/aqua jet (with priority)/stone edge/rock slide STAB attacks. But with a good 103 base def, it's also a good support, with access to Stealth Rock. Even its ridiculous speed also encourages the use of Curse in a trick Room.
    Tirtouga’s counters are common as much as dangerous: Croagunk (with natural immunity to Water-type attack) and Ferroseed are surely deadly enemies, but also Lileep, Slowpoke and Chinchou may be too hard to argue with. A fair countermeasure against Croagunk could be Earthquake as well as Hidden Power Fire can be a good defense vs Ferroseed.
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  25. Kingler12345

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    I'm not sure which one of all these pokemon isn't reserved, but I would like to reserve one. I've tried to go through the lists but there are so many posts I can't tell which ones are done >.<
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