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The Next Best Thing v2 - Latios

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Joeyboy, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. Joeyboy

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    The Next Best Thing...
    credit to fatty & Novaray for most of the op and the idea
    approved by Harsha


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    Artwork by Bummer.

    What is this?:

    I for one, along with many others I'm sure, feel as though there is some untapped power within the OU environment. There is substantial evidence for this idea in the form of one commonality for most tiers, OU included: there always seems to be one or more new-fangled, hyped up sets that weren't originally main-stay or seen as "viable" by the community, but somehow has taken the metagame by storm. This can be seen in DPP OU (with Special Lucario transitioning to SD Lucario, Heatran eventually running items other than Choice Scarf, and the influx of ChestoRest Kingdra) in ADV (with the vaunted TyraniBoah now becoming almost an urban myth in comparison to Special and DD Tyranitar, and the increasing popularity of SupeRachi) and in BW OU (with the advent of SubSalac Terrakion, SubDisable Gengar, and ChestoRest Volcarona). Yes, some of these sets may have been found early on with respect to the creation of the tier or fairly recently, the point is, though, that there seems to be an endless supply of effective and potent sets out there yet to be discovered, especially factoring in metagame swings and the possible tier shifts. The purpose of this project will be to systematically subject each and every OU Pokemon to a collective body of research in an attempt to uncover these "hidden gems", so to speak, and hopefully spark some creativity throughout the OU community.

    The Process:

    Each week, I will choose a different OU Pokemon, sometimes chosen by random, sometimes chosen by curiousity, of which participants will try to personally create a new set for that is not already on-site or in the process of being put on-site. Participants will be given 3 days to create their set, with discussion about the particular sets being promoted throughout, and on the 4th and 5th day, a vote will be held to choose which user's set represented the most creative and simultaneously competitively viable set to utilize in the current OU metagame. Once the votes are tallied and a winner is crowned, the set will be archived in the OP and the process will start all over again for the next Pokemon specimen.

    What are we looking for?:

    Specifically, I want to stress the importance of the balance between creativity and viability when picking a set to post for the Pokemon in question. There's a very fine line between a "creative" set and a "gimmick", and this project is not meant to produce gimmicks, rather emphasize the ability to think outside the box when using a specific Pokemon in order to maximize it's potential. Having said that, I would also like to deviate from simple one move / item changes. For example, using Steel Gem over Choice Band on Scizor does nothing to show any untapped potential Scizor has because we already have a basic understanding of what Scizor does. The same goes for using Draco Meteor over Fire Blast on DD Salamence, it doesn't yield productive discussion or results for the project. I am looking for sets that test what we think we know about checks or counters, so-called standards, and what it means to be viable. Maybe a particular option for a Pokemon looks inferior at first glance for that particular Pokemon, but dig deeper and try and find what it might mean in the big picture, for the entire team.

    If the Pokemon you nominate has an onsite analysis, or I deem it to closely resemble an onsite analysis I reserve the right to not include your Pokemon.

    The next test subject is...

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    Latios!

    Some things to consider:
    • What is thought to "counter" this pokemon?
    • Is there anyway to bypass this pokemon's so-called "counters?
    • What moves are seldom used on this pokemon, but have the most upside?
    • What niches can this pokemon potentially fill in the current metagame?
    • What opposing pokemon does this pokemon do well against?
    • How can this pokemon benefit it's teammates?
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  2. Joeyboy

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    Archived Sets

    (set name - creator)


    v1 Archive (open)
    Gliscor - Superpowerdude
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    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    EV's: 252 HP / 184 Atk / 72 Spe
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk -SpA) /
    Trait: Poison Heal
    -Earthquake
    -U-turn
    -Toxic
    -Taunt
    Mew - Joeyboy
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    Mew @ Life Orb / Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Jolly Nature
    - Reflect Type
    - Swords Dance
    - Drain Punch
    - Sucker Punch
    Infernape - Joeyboy
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    Infernape @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
    Trait: Blaze
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk
    Hasty Nature
    - Sunny Day
    - SolarBeam
    - Fire Blast
    - Close Combat
    Espeon - youngjake93
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    Espeon @ Life Orb
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Def
    Modest Nature
    - Grass Knot
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Psychic
    - Shadow Ball
    Celebi - Neliel
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    Celebi @ Life Orb
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Seed Bomb
    - Sucker Punch
    - Baton Pass
    Jirachi - Shurtugal
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    Jirachi @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Serene Grace
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SDef
    - Doom Desire
    - Psyshock
    - Thunder / Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice] / Grass Knot / U-turn / Healing Wish
    Hydreigon - Cherub Agent
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    Hydreigon @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 64 HP / 252 SpA / 194 Spe
    Mild / Modest Nature
    - Tailwind
    - Draco Meteor
    - Flamethrower
    - Superpower / Roost
    Tyranitar - DarkBlazeR
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    Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 120 Atk / 136 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature
    - Crunch
    - Superpower
    - Flamethrower
    - Ice Beam
    Metagross - Joeyboy
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    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Substitute
    - Toxic
    - Meteor Mash / Zen Headbutt
    - Earthquake / Hammer Arm
    Vaporeon - Alexander.
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    Vaporeon (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Hydration
    EVs: 212 HP / 252 SAtk / 44 Spd
    Modest Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Rest


    v2 Archive (open)
    Volcarona - Lavos Spawn
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    Volcarona @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 16 Spd / 240 Def
    Timid Nature
    - U-turn
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Giga Drain
    - Roost

    Alakazam - ThunderBlunder
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    Alakazam @Life Orb
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Timid
    -Charge Beam
    -Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Ice
    -Psyshock
    -Focus Blast


    Conkeldurr - Lavos Spawn
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    Conkeldurr @ Life Orb
    Ability: Sheer Force
    EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Drain Punch
    - Ice Punch
    - ThunderPunch / Rock Slide
    - Mach Punch

    Kyurem-B - DarkBlazeR
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    Kyurem-Black @ Life Orb
    Trait: Teravolt
    EVs: 32 HP / 232 SAtk / 244 Spd
    Mild Nature
    - Ice Beam / Blizzard
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Earth Power
    - Roost

    Garchomp - Kidogo
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    Garchomp @ Life Orb
    EVs: 8 HP / 248 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Aqua Tail

    Gastrodon - Dice
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    Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald / Earthquake
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Toxic / Counter

    Cloyster - Kidogo
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    Cloyster @ King's Rock
    Trait: Skill Link
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
    - Shell Smash
    - Icicle Spear
    - Rock Blast
    - Ice Shard



    Era of Alexander. Archive

    Abomasnow - Vertex

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    Abomasnow @ Leftovers
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect
    - Blizzard
    - Giga Drain

    Gengar - Nova

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    Gengar @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Destiny Bond
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Thunder

    Latias - Spinda

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    Latias (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 72 HP / 252 Spd / 184 SAtk
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Healing Wish

    Standard LO Tank with Healing Wish over recover, it works wonders on offensive teams ( as Latias is the most offensive healing wish user ) because recovering often loses you momentum anyway, it performs as a normal LO tank but it has the opportunity to surprise your opponent and revive a statused, weakened pokemon in a pinch, which often helps A LOT in winning the weather war or preparing a lategame sweep, as people play a lot more careless with their counters to your pokemon when they assume it's practically dead.
    Healing wish is also the best move for Latias to do to when it's about to get pursuit trapped anyway :]
    This beautiful Latias has turned games around for me plenty of times.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2013
  3. Joeyboy

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    Voting is now closed and the winner is Alexander.'s Life Orb Vaporeon set. This set will be added in the v1 archive featured in the second post of the thread.

    The next subject is the Sun Pokemon, Volcarona!
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  4. George Eliot

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    Volcarona @ Choice Specs
    4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe, Mild / Hasty
    - Fire Blast
    - Bug Buzz
    - U-turn
    - Giga Drain / HP Rock / HP Ground / Hurricane

    Tbh Volcarona doesn't seem to have a whole lot of room for creativity, but short of trying a gimmicky Will-o-wisp spreader the Specs set is the best I can come up with. Choice Specs boosts the moths special attack to absolutely ridiculous levels, and combined with a reasonably powerful STAB U-turn it can do some serious damage. Giga Drain is the primary slash because of its superior threat coverage and ability to cushion passive damage, but as always HP Rock (for Dragon/Flyings and Gyarados) or HP Ground (Tran) are valid options. Hurricane is another good option if this set is being used on a Rain team to handle Grass types. Mild is preferable in my opinion, giving maximum attacking power on both spectrums while still outpacing Timid 252 Rotom-A, but Hasty is an option to speedtie other base 100's and beat some other uncommon threats.

    Stealth Rock is even more of a threat than usual to this Volcarona, since it lacks recovery and will tend to come in and out of play more regularly. Therefore a spinner or Magic Bounce user is a must etc etc etc
  5. Cinco Diablo

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    So, here's a set I've found very interesting.

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    Volcarona @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Sunny Day
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fire Blast
    - Roost / Morning Sun

    While most Volcarona are aimed toward ripping holes in the opponents team, this set makes Volcarona a mixed wall, and even a supporter of sorts, as it takes the pressure off of Ninetales with Sunny Day, setting up in the face of most of the bulky water types in the current metagame, while Politoed fails to rain on Volcarona's parade. Sunny Day, the first move in this set allows Volcarona to change the weather in a snap. Quiver Dance allows Volcarona to bolster it's offenses to sky high levels. Firw Blast is the only attacking move in this set, and is an excellent STAB move that provides solid neutral coverage. Finally, Roost provides the recovery move in this set, and Morning Sun allows Volcarona to gain more HP due to Sunny Day. i've had some phenomenal success with this set, and I'd give it a try.​
  6. D i a b l o

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    Volcarona @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature
    - Fiery Dance
    - U-Turn
    - Bug Buzz
    - Giga Drain / HP Ice / HP Ground / Hurricane

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    What I proposing you now, is a set very special for the moth, because with this you can make the surprise-kill that can help the team a lot and with his speed, it goes to speed-tie with pokémon like Jirachi and Salamence.
    Moreover, thanks to the powerful U-Turn (oh yes), it can perform even better its role as revengekiller.
    Its main STAB combined with its very good statistics make it a great pokémon penalized only by the SR-weak.
    Fiery Dance allows him, again, to be able to do a great damage because the move acts as pseudomoxie that it hits more strong the opponent.
    Another thing is that it, like Celebi and many others, has the famous "4 moveslot syndrome", infact Giga Drain allows him to hit Pokemon like Terrakion, Keldeo and Politoed; HP Ice allows him to hit well Dragonite and Salamence while HP Ground hits well Tentacruel and Heatran, also if you want to use in a RainTeam, Hurricane is an option very valid.

    Hope you like it and I recommend you try it because it really makes a lot of surprise-kill.​
  7. Neliel

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    Volcarona (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 248 HP / 76 Def / 68 SAtk / 116 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Roost
    - Quiver Dance
    - Bug Buzz

    This set sacrifice volca's coverage in order to stay alive longer. Do you know the sub roost dragonite set? it basically does the same thing. Find a pokemon where you can sub and start quiver dancing until you can even destroy bug resistor. The evs in the defense lets it setup on jirachi ebcause body slam never breaks sub. It also comes in handy if you have to setup on Breloom or ferrothorn, where you can sub while they leech seed you/attack you. I personally use this set under rain and with the tentacruel support it works very good. Basically this set can troll a lot of defensive check for volca (basically any) while you lose easier against Terrakion and dragonite. Even heatran that lacks roar cant win against this set, as well as jellicent and tentacruel most of the time.
  8. Captain Awesome

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    In this case I would rather use Giga Drain than Roost, you can't afford the loss in coverage in only having one attacking move. It works for Dragonite because Dragon is resisted by one type, Bug is resisted by not one, not two, but SIX.
  9. Vemane

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    Edit: Oops misread. In either case, giga drain recovers so little that one might as well just use fire blast instead

    The only problem I have with the set itself is the purpose (and thereby execution). Dragonite's sub dd set works because not only does it get great 1 move coverage, but multiscale makes abusing subroost quite deadly. volc on the other hand has neither of these, to be frank, and cannot perform nearly as admirably.


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    Volcarona @ Chesto Berry
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 248 HP / 76 Def / 68 SAtk / 116 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Rest
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fire Blast
    - Bug Buzz

    Here's a fun set that makes volcarona's original defensive counters quake in fear. Let's say you are quiver dancing against a jellicent and believing it is safe it decides to stay in and toxic+scald to death, essentially limiting volc to jellicent+maybe one poke before death. However, at the brink of death when volc is at +3/+3 or greater, it rests, relieving it of status, damage, et al. and can proceed to sweep.

    With the huge amounts of celebi+cent+etc, this volc has a much easier time than many of the others setting up
  10. relaunched

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    You know, Captain Awesome was not suggesting Giga Drain over Bug Buzz, but rather over Roost. That being said, I have to say that Roost seems like the better option, as it makes a very potent combo with Substitute and good defenses. If you don't have Roost, you won't be able to get a ton of boosts and kill stuff with Bug Buzz, and you'll only be able to make a few Substitutes because Giga Drain won't usually recover enough. As Neliel said, the point of the set is to boost up so much that you don't even care about resists. No matter what move you choose though, you need to watch out for quad-resists and resistant phazers. If you choose Bug Buzz you need something to take out Skarmory, if you choose a Fire move Heatran walls you so you have to remove it. Hurricane is the hardest move to wall but using it also means that you'll need a rain team that is very, very good at winning the weather war. Also, this set has a big advantage over Dragonite in that, while lacking Multiscale, its boosting move also boosts Special Defense.
  11. Curtains

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    Volcarona @ Life Orb
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 144 HP / 112 Spd
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Tailwind
    - Fire Blast
    - Bug Buzz
    - Giga Drain

    The object of this set is to basically come in on something that can't hurt you much and either take or hit or force a switch. Then you simply use tailwind to support your team or put some huge holes in the opponents team. This set works best with a team that focuses on momentum and residual damage. Common u-turners like landorus and rotom-w make good partners. This set plays best against most sand teams. You can come in on something like a celebi or scare away a landorus-t and get the tailwind up. Ev's are pretty straight forward. I have the bulk of the ev's in special attack and HP so that it can come in and set up straight away. You could make the evs to your liking based on your team needs.

    here are some calcs to demonstrate the power of modest LO volcarona.

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    252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 344-407 (107.83 - 127.58%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 52 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem: 316-372 (78.21 - 92.07%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

    252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Giga Drain vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Keldeo: 265-312 (81.79 - 96.29%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Spikes

    252+ SpA Life Orb Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 346-408 (95.05 - 112.08%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
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    Volcarona @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 144 SDef / 112 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fiery Dance
    - Bug Buzz

    This set allows you to sub on defensive threats as well as a few Offensive ones and begin to boost at plus one Tentacruel and Jellicent fail to break your sub unless under Rain. Max special attack give you immediate power, aslo letting you beat SDef Heatran one vs. one, as well as hitting the many counters and checks harder. Fiery dance is the fire move of choice for obvious boosting capabilities. Speed evs are set to outpace most relevant things.(Jolly Breloom, Defensive Celebi etc)
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    Volcarona @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 16 Spd / 240 Def
    Timid Nature
    - U-turn
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Giga Drain
    - Roost

    utility volc really doesn't care about your general volcarona switch-ins. tyranitar, terrakion, garchomp, whatever...get burned and you're useless. with the evs i've used, volc can take hefty physical hits and dish damage right back, a characteristic that most physical walls lack. the speed lets you outrun any positive-nature base 70 or below, meaning politoed, breloom, and skarmory, among others. the combination of roost, for instant recovery, and giga drain, for coverage plus recovery, make volcarona extremely difficult to take down. add that to the fact that it can u-turn out of any potential threat, and you have yourself quite the threatening "offensive tank". it's unconventional, i know, and rocks can be an issue, but u-turn along with a magic bouncer is really quite a nice way to deal with the problem, and rocks aren't too difficult to prevent anyways.
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    Volcarona @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fire Blast
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power Ice

    This is a play off the completely offensive Volcarona set, however this one offers several different things. First of all, Focus Sash is used here, because this set is oftentimes used as a lead pokemon, and Sash allows it a favorable matchup against every lead. It can Quiver Dance up on bulky Politoed, while Sash allows it to take a Specs or Scarf Hydro Pump while Quiver Dancing, then KOing with Giga Drain. This brings us to the next change: Giga Drain over Bug Buzz. This choice targets bulky waters, namely Jellicent, and provides vital recovery. Forgoing the STAB move can seem bizarre, but pays off in spades on this set. The Hidden Power of choice is Ice, to knock all the common Dragons and Ground/Flying Pokémon omnipresent in the meta, although HP Rock is a viable option as well.
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    Volcarona @ Passho Berry
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 240 HP / 112 SAtk / 48 SDef / 108 Spd
    Calm Nature
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fire Blast
    - Bug Buzz
    - Giga Drain / Hurricane


    The idea of this set is nails mostly waters such Politoed, Keldeo or Starmie with Passho Berry and getting setupp more easily while keep a good bulk to check another common threats on the meta like Jirachi, Scizor or Breloom or just being a good utility trying to burn the opponent with Flame Body. Quiver Dance is a move obligatory along Bug Buzz, Fire Blast for steel stuff and another STAB move, finally Giga Drain is useful for Keldeo, Terrakion and another waters / ground types like the weird Gastrodon which can wall this set pretty well w/o Giga Drain, also recover health which is very useful because this Volcarona lacks of Leftovers and Roost / Morning Sun / Rest. Finally, Hurricane is a cool option mainly on a rain team to hit better some things and 30% to confusion is sexy. This set can run a twist with Hidden Power such Hidden Power Ground to nails Heatran and Tentacruel, if the loss of coverage doenst worry.

    Ev spread -> EVs: 240 HP / 160 SDef / 108 Spd this is better, with Modest nature
  16. DarkBlazeR

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    Some general comments on all of the sets posted here so far.

    George Eliot (open)
    Specs Volcarona is something I've actually used for quite some time, and it's always been surprisingly effective. No one expects that kind of power right off the bat, and can really surprise some players who just switch into stuff like Keldeo/Tentacruel/Politoed immediately as Volcarona enters the battle. It's a better Specs user than Heatran anyway due to its superior coverage. I'm not sure why you need max Speed though; 286 is probably a good enough benchmark, though you could run 296 as well to outspeed Modest Hydreigon. You can then put more EVs into Attack to power up U-turn.

    Dr. Ciel (open)
    It doesn't really help sun teams to deal with their mutual weaknesses, but conceptually I love this set. I'd need to see it in action before I can make any true judgments on it though.

    Dead Whiz (open)
    The surprise value of this set is cool, and I could definitely see it working thanks to U-turn, though I think other Fire types such as Victini and Darmanitan outclass Volcarona as a scarfer for the most part.

    Neliel (open)
    I have always been sceptical of SubQDRoost's effectiveness. It could be potentially devastating for some defensive teams, though it pretty much falls flat against most offensive teams, as they put too much pressure on it to sweep with only one attack. I'd need to see some replays of this set if you're going to win me over.

    Vermane (open)
    This set has existed for quite some time, so I don't really know what's so "new" about it - it is listed as a set on Volcarona's analysis page. Nonetheless, I do like the set a lot - it almost has the longevity of the QDRoost set without sacrificing any attacking power. I even used it in an RMT once way back in 2011 :P

    Curtains (open)
    Tailwind is a fascinating option - not only does it provide team support, it's not totally outclassed by Quiver Dance as a boosting move either - it lets you outurn things like Scarf Keldeo/Terrakion/Lati@s/Landorus/Garchomp after one boost. The power from Life Orb almost matches that of a +1 Volcarona without a Life Orb, which is cool. Although QD sets are probably more dangerous most of the time, Tailwind may get to see some use on dedicated offensive teams. One nitpick though - if you're actually going to outrun all of the things I mentioned above, you're going to need at least 108 EVs in Speed. The loss of bulk isn't too significant, but the gain in Speed will give this Volcarona set an edge over the normal QD sets.

    Issues (open)
    SubVolc is cool. It is still bothered by some offensive teams, albeit less so than the mono-attacking version. Substitute does have its merits as status is an excellent answer to Volcarona, though a few of things you mentioned (Tentacruel, Heatran) can be dealt with simply by running HP [Ground].

    Lavos Spawn (open)
    The premise of this set is very interesting; Volcarona's defensive capabilities are definitely underrated. However, having only Giga Drain as an attack is quite unusual (U-turn doesn't really count). I understand the utility it provides outside of simply extra recovery - it hurts Terrakion, Keldeo and other Water types, making this set even more annoying for Volcarona's normal checks. However, I feel as if this set may be a little too passive without some kind of strong STAB move. Feel free to prove me wrong.

    Dcae (open)
    SashVolc looks like fun - a definite change of pace from the usual sets, and the surprise value could really work in your favour.

    Hot N Cold (open)
    Funnily enough I've actually started tinkering with Passho Berry lately due to how common Scarf Keldeo is - it's been pretty damn effective, especially when you consider how many offensive teams rely on it to check Volcarona.
  17. Groudon ex

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    Volcarona @ Leftovers / Charti Berry
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 96 SAtk / 16 SDef / 16 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Quiver Dance
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Fire Blast
    - Bug Buzz

    this set may look like a total gimmick to you, but trust me it works really well in this metagame. the majority of volcarona's offensive checks - bar heatran and keldeo - are utterly crippled by will-o-wisp. i'm talking shit like dragonite, salamence, terrakion, landorus, gyarados, garchomp etc. hell, even keldeo doesn't really appreciate getting burned. the idea behind this set is to first spam will-o-wisp and fuck around with your opponent's team, weakening them. once their checks have been crippled, you can come back later and sweep with qd as they're totally helpless against you. obviously heatran still walls this set to the high heavens, but i run this on a sun team which has a dugtrio. i prefer fire blast on this set it HURTS when used in sun, making up for the loss of power due to the bulk investment. of course those of you feeling less manly can opt for the safer fiery dance. although lefties recovery has the most utility overall as this set lacks roost, charti berry can be used to allow you to survive even burned terrakion's stone edge if need be.

    oh and shiny volcarona because i can
  18. Neliel

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    just asking what is giga drain for? flametrower seems a better option, even more if you are using it on sun teams.. giga drain should be only usefull for keldeo i guess but still you will lose to it if there is rain and you win if there is sun
  19. youngjake93

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    Volcarona @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Spd / 8 Satt
    Timid Nature
    - Substitute
    - Roost
    - Toxic/U-Turn
    - Fire Blast/Flamethrower

    Basically taking a set normally run by Moltres or Heatran, but Volcarona has its perks over them as a toxic subroost staller.
    First, the higher speed lets it reliably subroost on a much larger portion of the meta than Moltres. It has the high special attack to threaten steels and poison types. It also has the surprise factor as Volcarona is almost never a stall set.
    U-Turn is if you have Toxic Spike support. Flamethrower is if you want more reliability.
    In case you don't know about how these sets are run, basically you come in on a grass, bug or fire type and start poisoning stuff and stalling stuff slower than you that thinks it can switch in or surprising fast switch ins with Fire Blast.
  20. vyomov

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    Volcarona@Salac Berry
    Trait: Swarm
    EVs: 150+Spd/252 Def/106 HP
    Timid Nature
    -Quiver Dance
    -Bug Buzz
    -Fiery Dance
    -Psychic

    This is a Salac set for Volcarona, the idea being to take advantage of Swarm and hit hard with Bug Buzz(roasting all unresisted). Psychic, usually not seen on Volcarona is a simple counter to the numerous fighting types present in the tier and ensures Toxicroak does not set up on Volcarona
    After a Quiver Dance and with Salac, Volcarona outspeeds most threats in the tier and can OHKO with Swarm-boosted Bug Buzz
  21. mcdanger

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    Volcarona @ Life Orb/Leftovers/Lum Berry
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 60 HP / 252 SAtk / 196 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Flamethrower/ Fire Blast
    - Quiver Dance
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Giga Drain

    Not the most creative set but w/e.
    Basically the opposite of neliel`s set, this set focuses on volcarona`s coverage by sacrificing his longetivity. Like curtains, modest and a LO to maximize damage, but this is ment to sweep late game. Evs are straight forward, ment to maximize its power, and outpace pokemon with positive nature base speed of 80. With modest and a LO, volcarona only needs 1 quiver dance to OHKO most OU threats, and 2 to outpace all scarfers at 570 speed. Moves give him coverage equal to genesect, with the LO at +1 volcarona can OHKO all dragonites, bar extremly bulky, through multiscales, while still being able to OHKO the lati twins. Checks are the same, however under sun, fire blast takes huge chunks out of chansey and blissey as well as heatran, scarfed terrakion and keldeo.
    Obviously this set is best in sun, but can be successful in clear skies and sand, tho it needs leftovers for sand. Lum berry is another viable item so he can take on threats like jellicent, or if he comes in against body slam jirachi.
  22. D i a b l o

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    Very cool set, dude but in my opinion, to work better, this needs to substitute over psychic, because it is useless on Volcarona while Substitute with Salac Barry is a good combo (especially with the ability).
  23. Lavos Spawn

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    giga drain is useful for essentially any water-type, most people will see the first three moves and make the same assumption you did, that it's carrying flamethrower or bug buzz or something, but in reality giga drain's the much better option for both surprise value and excellent coverage (all the stuff you're not u-turning out of gets nailed pretty hard by it, plus it catches poll, keldeo, jelli, etc. off guard and gets some extra hp).
  24. Groudon ex

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    sorry to burst your bubble, but swarm is volcarona's dream world ability, which has not been released yet. hence, this set is illegal in ou with swarm.
  25. Archbishop

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    [​IMG] @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Flame Body
    Evs: 76 Hp / 180 Spa / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Sleep Talk
    - Bug Buzz
    - Fire Blast
    - Whirlwind / Giga Drain

    Checks Loom that think they can set up after Volc is put to sleep, in addition to a lot of other sleepers in the meta (Amoongus, Venusaur who drop Sludge Bomb for Sleep Powder, etc.) and has general utility as a scarfer. Fire Blast and Bug Buzz are STAB, which is needed on a scarf set without a positive nature. Sleep Talk lets Volc roast Loom and others who think they've gained the upper hand by Sporing / Powdering, and Whirlwind with Scarf Sleep Talk is trolly on a team with hazards. Giga Drain can also be used to check Water types, but it's weak. This set works well as a lead, send it out to get a surprise kill on say Latios early, then use it to tank Sleep and check threats later. Pair it with a Magic Bouncer or a spinner to remove hazards and something that likes Loom dead, such as Terrakion. It's a set that while niche, works well in the current meta

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