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The Next Best Thing

Discussion in 'BW RU' started by scorpdestroyer, Jul 23, 2013.

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  1. scorpdestroyer

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    OP stolen from Silvershadow234 who stole it from Fatty. Banner stolen from Silvershadow234 who stole it from skylight.
    Taking over from SS234, hence the new thread


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    What is this?:

    I for one, along with many others I'm sure, feel as though there is some untapped power within the RU environment. There is substantial evidence for this idea in the form of one commonality for most tiers, RU included: there always seems to be one or more new-fangled, hyped up sets that weren't originally main-stay or seen as "viable" by the community, but somehow has taken the metagame by storm. This can be seen in DPP OU (with Special Lucario transitioning to SD Lucario, Heatran eventually running items other than Choice Scarf, and the influx of ChestoRest Kingdra) in ADV (with the vaunted TyraniBoah now becoming almost an urban myth in comparison to Special and DD Tyranitar, and the increasing popularity of SupeRachi) and in BW OU (with the advent of SubSalac Terrakion, SubDisable Gengar, and ChestoRest Volcarona). Yes, some of these sets may have been found early on with respect to the creation of the tier or fairly recently, the point is, though, that there seems to be an endless supply of effective and potent sets out there yet to be discovered, especially factoring in metagame swings and the possible tier shifts. The purpose of this project will be to systematically subject each and every RU pokemon to a collective body of research in an attempt to uncover these "hidden gems", so to speak, and hopefully spark some creativity throughout the RU community.

    The Process:

    Each week, I will choose a different RU Pokemon, sometimes chosen by random, sometimes chosen by curiousity, of which participants will try to personally create a new set for that is not already on-site or in the process of being put on-site. Participants will be given around 3 days (depending on activity in the thread) to create their set with discussion about the particular sets being promoted throughout, and a vote will be held over 2 days to choose which user's set represented the most creative and simultaneously competivitely viable set to utilize in the current RU metagame. Once the votes are tallied and a winner is crowned, the set will be archived in the OP and the process will start all over again for the next Pokemon specimen. If there happens to be a tie, I will serve as the tiebreaker.

    NEW RULE: Reserving sets is strongly discouraged because this is a community project, and reservations will only hold back discussion. If for whatever reason you have to reserve a set, you must write up your set within one hour of reserving it, or it will be reopened.

    What are we looking for?:

    Specifically, I want to stress the importance of the balance between creativity and viability when picking a set to post for the Pokemon in question. There's a very fine line between a "creative" set and a "gimmick", and this project is not meant to produce gimmicks, rather emphasize the ability to think outside the box when using a specific Pokemon in order to maximize it's potential. Having said that, I would also like to deviate from simple one move / item changes. For example, using Lum Berry over Life Orb on an SD Absol does nothing to show any untapped potential Absol has because we already have a basic understanding of what SD Absol is and does, it's just now better at dealing with status and has less power. The same goes for using Return over Pursuit on CB Escavalier, it doesn't yield productive discussion or results for the project. I am looking for sets that test what we think we know about checks or counters, so-called standards, and what it means to be viable. Maybe a particular option for a Pokemon looks inferior at first glance for that particular pokemon, but dig deeper and try and find what it might mean in the big picture, for the entire team.

    Some things to consider:
    • What is thought to "counter" this pokemon?
    • Is there anyway to bypass this pokemon's so-called "counters?
    • What moves are seldom used on this pokemon, but have the most upside?
    • What niches can this pokemon potentially fill in the current metagame?
    • What opposing pokemon does this pokemon do well against?
    • How can this pokemon benefit its teammates?
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  2. scorpdestroyer

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  3. Lasagne

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    Gallade @ Leftovers
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Trick Room
    - Swords Dance
    - Drain Punch / Close Combat
    - Psycho Cut / Zen Headbutt / Night Slash

    A sort of OTR Gallade, if you will. Functions the same way as any other OTR set. Set up a Trick Room, boost your attack and win. This is the set that effectively sent Cofagrigus to UU, and it works well on Gallade as well. Gallade's speed is fairly lackluster, and the Trick Room can enable you to outspeed the threats you usually wouldn't. The choice of Drain Punch or Close Combat is simply whether you want the recovery, and therefore longevity, or the sheer power provided by CC. The move you use in the last slot is dependant on which STAB you want: The accurate one or the powerful one. You can also choose Night Slash, or even something like Leaf Blade, as otherwise you are completely stopped cold by Spiritomb.

    This is a good set use it jajajajajajajajaja
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    Gallade (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Steadfast (just found out justified is illegal)
    EVs: 8 SDef / 248 HP / 252 Atk
    Adamant Nature
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Substitute
    - Focus Punch
    - Night Slash

    Pretty self-explanatory, WoW to cover gallade's horrible defensive stat and to catch physical attackers coming in to take it out. Once the opponent is burnt, sub become far easier to get up so powerful focus punches can be handed out. Night slash is the coverage move of choice so that ghosts and psychics don't wall it completely.
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    Gallade @ Choice Scarf
    Trait Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    -Close Combat
    -Trick
    -Night Slash
    -Zen Headbutt

    Gallade is often seen as some sort of set up sweeper, or even as a special wall, meaning that the best way to kill Gallade is to outspeed him/revenge kill him. This set, however, aims to surprise the opponent as its fully invested base 80 speed with a choice scarf and a positive nature is actually extremely good, outspeeding every unboosted threat in RU bar timid Accelgor and (lol) Ninjask. At first glance, this set may seem outclassed by Medicham who has higher attack, however, thanks to Night Slash and defenses that aren't destroyed by a light breeze, Gallade can actually beat ghosts on his own and screw over defensive teams with trick, without dying immediately afterwards. Gallade also has quite a few more opportunities to switch in. Even without a boost or a band, his moves still hit extremely hard due to his base 125 attack.
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    Gallade (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 200 HP / 56 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Drain Punch
    - Zen Headbutt / Night Slash / Shadow Sneak
    - Will-O-Wisp

    This is the standard Bulky SD Gallade, but instead of a coverage move, Will-O-Wisp is used. Will-O-Wisp is cool since it cripples stuff like spirotomb and Scyther, while also allowing easier setup against foes like Druddigon. The first two moves are self-explanatory, while the Third move is up to personal preference. If you want a priority move, use Shadow Sneak. If you want to hit psychic types hard, use Night Slash. If you want a secondary STAB move, use Zen Headbutt.
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    Burned Lefties Druddigon still 2HKOes with Outrage and Spiritomb beats Gallade when burned as well. I think a coverage move might be better unless there are some better things that Will-O-Wisp is used for. Otherwise I would just use a SpDef Gallade with Will-O-Wisp to lure in and cripple stuff like Spiritomb and Escavalier.
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    Gallade (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Atk
    Careful Nature
    - Wish
    - Knock Off
    - Toxic/Protect
    - Drain Punch
    Say hello to special pivot Gallade.
    While his wish passing leaves a lot to be desired, wish and drain punch make for a great combo for keeping his HP up high. Knock off is very helpful in RU, it can cripple all kinds of things, and sine the majority of scarfers in this tier are specially based, Gallade can remove the scarf from your opponent's team for a fast sweeper of your own to come in later and wreck. Toxic is also there for general utility, but you can use Protect to receive wishes safely.
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    Gallade (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Substitute
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge/Psycho-Cut

    a better Will-o-Wisp Gallade, Gallade can cause many switches, and this can be taken advantage with Substitute, And you can burn Spiritomb, Qwilfish and Other Gallade and Kill Moltres and Entei with Stone edge, psychic types can be a problem but this can be solved with a dark type like Spiritomb, its a soo useful set
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    My turn to chime in. I think this set fits pretty well considering Gallade has always been a fairly straightforward offensive Pokemon:

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    Gallade (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Drain Punch
    - Stone Edge
    - Psycho Cut / Night Slash / Leaf Blade

    Straightforward Sub + 3 Attacks set. Sub shields Gallade from status and revenge killers and it's easy to get one in on the switches Gallade will force. Drain Punch is the chosen STAB move; it works a lot like Giga Drain does for Sub Sceptile. It's a solid STAB move with good power and the healing side effect lets Gallade run Life Orb. Stone Edge crushes Moltres and Sigilyph, which are two pretty common switch-ins to Gallade. Psycho Cut lets Gallade handle Qwilfish, Amoonguss, and fellow Fighting-types with much greater ease. Night Slash is there if you want coverage on bulky Psychic-types such as Uxie, Mesprit, and Slowking. Also allows Gallade to destroys Golurk as well. About the only reason Leaf Blade is an option is if your team really hates Alomomola. I guess it's also cool to insta-kill Quagsire and lay the hurt even more on Rhydon. Perhaps the only reason Close Combat is not used on this set is so Gallade can run a Life Orb with greater ease to boost the power of its other moves. The fact it can run Life Orb helps to make up for the power loss with Drain Punch.
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    Gallade (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Brave Nature
    IVs: 0 Spd
    - Trick Room
    - Close Combat
    - Zen Headbutt / Psycho Cut
    - Leaf Blade

    This is rather similar the OTR Gallade Tagliatelle21 posted above me, but instead of using Swords Dance, this Gallade gives up the ability to boost its attack for access to a third coverage move (in this case Leaf Blade) to hit Pokemon such as Slowking harder (and also to make sure Gallade isn't 100% walled by Spiritomb). Gallade is a really threatening offensive Pokemon, and often tears slower teams to shreds with its power, but faster pokemon can easily revenge kill it because of its only decent Speed stat and lack of access to a decent priority move (lol Unstabbed Shadow Sneak). Trick Room lets gallade turn the tables on opponents that rely on faster opponents to revenge kill Gallade, allowing it to go before things such as Sceptile and Scarf Emboar and simply Close Combat them to death before they can put an end to Gallade's reign of terror. Furthermore, this Gallade can support other slow members of its team with its own Trick Room, giving things like Slowking, Aggron, Escavalier, and Druddigon a big buff even if Gallade can't sweep at that moment and time, and because of Gallade's decent special bulk, it should be able to set up at least one Trick Room per match. Because this Gallade set doesn't have Swords Dance like the previous OTR Gallade, i decided to add a Life Orb as the main item to boost Gallade's unboosted Close Combat as much as possible and to make up for the lack of a boosting move.

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    Celever, Wish is illegal with Justified because it is a gen 3 event move while Justified is a Dream World ability. Just a heads up, I'm gonna start voting in about 1-2 hours so please change it ASAP!
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    Sorry for double post.

    You may begin voting now!

    You have seven different sets to choose from. Unfortunately, Celever's set is disqualified from voting due to legality issues (yeah I can be mean at times). Remember to check for legalities when posting your sets!
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    I want to vote for lasagne, but his set gets wrecked by Spiritomb :/ so I vote for molk
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