So i was right then. Thanks for explaining my argument in detail, while making it seem like you were countering it. And i'm right-you'd never switch it into a plus 1 LO genesect in any case, so it's just the CB genesect, which fails to 2hitko. The argument's already been made for it being support, but yeah, that's also why you're wrong-no one ever expects ferrothorn to wall everything, just to set up stuff while not being uber setup bait. As for tabuu's argument... "Terrakion, Virizion, Lucario, Gensect, Salamence, Breloom, Celebi, Scizor, Mamoswine, Dragonite, Heatran, Hydreigon, Rotom-W, Rotom-H, Landorus, Thundurus, Tornadus, Keldeo". I shall first remove everything that can't take a STAB hit without taking SE damage. ", Virizion, Lucario, Gensect, Salamence, Breloom, Celebi, Scizor, , Dragonite, Heatran, Hydreigon, , Rotom-H, Landorus, Thundurus, Tornadus, " I'll follow it up with people who hate gyro ball/power whip. , Lucario, Gensect, , Breloom, Celebi, Scizor, , Dragonite, Heatran, , , Rotom-H, , Thundurus, And those who hate t-wave , , Breloom, Celebi, Scizor, ,, Heatran, ,Rotom-H, , Thundurus So that list is the real threat list. It can't wall all that stuff, but no one will EVER ask it to. It just lays hazards, using the threat of t-wave, Gyro ball, Power whip, and leech seed to keep enemies off its back.