I went ahead and quoted the parts of the posts that argued against against Ninetales in S-tier and bolded the parts that were relevant. Whether or not Ninetales by itself is outclassed by Politoed is utterly irrelevant. It has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it should be S tier. IN FACT, the only relevance that might have is that Politoed should possibly be in a higher tier (no, I'm not actually suggesting that). Ninetales, in comparison to Terrakion, Genesect, and Landorus-I, supports a team just as much if not more than each of these three do their work offensively. You have to remember that battle long support like Stealth Rock (arguably the strongest move in Gen 4) and Weather are FAR BIGGER deals than what pokemon can do individually defensively or offensively. When alexwolf says "while Ninetales offers godlike team support" (note the term godlike), when Dark Fallen Angel says "Drought support is one of the best supports that a Pokémon can have." (note the term best), when Lavos Spawn says "even though its respective weather is arguably better than Politoed's Rain" (note he says sun is arguably better than rain), you are directly stating that Ninetales deserves to be S-tier. Battle long support that supports multiple Pokemon / strategies is far more significant than individual pokemon offensive / defensive capacities, and PKGaming specifically said in the OP that this list applies to all of offense, defense, and support. The only things statements like "Ninetales is outclassed by Politoed" say is that Politoed is amazingly amazing, not that Ninetales is not S-tier amazing. You also can't say "if not for Drought Ninetales would suck" as a serious argument (saying it as a talking point is fine), because Ninetales does have Drought...and, from what we're witnessing in BW1 AND BW2, Drought itself is S-tier support (vulpix was banned from UU lol). Apply logic here guys; you have multiple Pokemon in S-class...they are not equally good. There is a best S-class pokemon (probably politoed) that outclasses all of the others in what it does best compared to what they do best. That doesn't mean they don't all deserve to be S-tier.