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The (Past) Dark Horse Project — Volume 1

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Birkal, Jan 2, 2012.

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  1. Pearl.

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    i'm preparing a very special update for this project, even though i'm most likely done with laddering. it should be done by tuesday or late monday in the best case scenario.

    by the way, could you update my ranking on the hall of fame post (check this for reference) and put my name in bold on the registered users list?
  2. NixHex

    NixHex No excuses
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    I fail to see the problem here. No one said we can't use standard sets. The goal is to show that lower used Pokemon can still be effective in today's metagame. If it takes standard sets to be effective, then let him be - sets are standard for a reason.
  3. Soulous

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    Oh i updated my dark horse to crawdaunt a while ago (edited the orignal post), forgot to make a new post about it though.
  4. Skore

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    I'm finding that my team is very Scizor/Terakkion weak - which is half the metagame these days. Anyone got a suggestion for getting around it?

    Here's the team.
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    Gallade The Dark Horse(M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Steadfast
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Drain Punch
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Fire Punch


    Abomasnow (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain
    - Leech Seed
    - Blizzard
    - Substitute

    Kyurem @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Hardy Nature
    - Blizzard
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psychic
    - Focus Blast

    Golurk @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Fist
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge
    - Shadow Punch
    - Substitute

    Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Thunder Wave
    - Air Slash
    - Aura Sphere
    - Roost

    Tentacruel (F) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Liquid Ooze
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
    Hardy Nature
    - Rapid Spin
    - Blizzard
    - Scald
    - Toxic Spikes


    Any suggestions are welcome as long as you don't diss my Dark Horse Gallade :D
  5. alphatron

    alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair!

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    I wouldn't dream of insulting the greatest dark horse Pokemon of all time.

    I do question your Gallade set, as it looks like you're trying to run a bulky swords dance set on a Pokemon with terrible defense. That, and if a boosted fire punch can't save dragonite from skarmory, then it won't save Gallade either.

    Either way, without forcing you to change your members of your team too much, you might want to go with a bulky go lurk rather than an adamant one (my secret second dark horse has been revealed!). Bulky golurk is the perfect switch in to a terrakion of any kind. Golurk doesn't do much to scizor, but by running a bold tentacruel in place of a hardy one, you'll be able to defend yourself against him for a bit better. You might want to mess with his ev spread, as his hp isn't good enough to avoid investing Evs in.
  6. Stif247

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    changing dark horse to mew, because i suck too much to use archeops. I think i finally have a good team and will begin to ladder again tomorrow.

    Mew @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 108 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Taunt
    - Psychic
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Softboiled
  7. Byrn Dragonstone

    Byrn Dragonstone

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    Gonna change my Dark horse pokemon around, hail is getting its butt kicked with Terrakion/scizor everywhere.

    Anyways here are the pokemon I'm using.
    Pokemon Online Username: Dragonstone[DK]
    Hall of Fame Standing: -
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Whimsicott
    Current Ladder Standing: 1000


    This is the set I am using to troll people with:
    Erufuun (Whimsicott) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Encore
    - Leech Seed
    - Substitute
    - Stun Spore
  8. AccidentalGreed

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    Adding on to Alpha's suggestions, I would also note that:

    • NOT using a bulky Togekiss for the paralysis role is completely counter-productive (especially since you're maximizing its Speed). By not investing in bulk, you're effectively leaving Togekiss vulnerable to Volt Switch and a bunch of random attacks that Togekiss SHOULD tank off. Togekiss isn't beating anything by a landslide, so make it specially defensive, perhaps with another option besides Aura Sphere. Flamethrower is an option since this team is so weak to Scizor.
    • I'm guessing the Hardy natures are mistakes, so please fix them immediately.
    • I'm iffy about the use of Psychic in Kyurem's moveset. If anything, Dragon Pulseis a better option over it for a secondary Dragon-type move (these things are common on Pokemon such as Latios and Hydreigon).
    • What role does Gallade serve on a Hail-oriented team?
  9. fairytale

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    [​IMG]

    Pokemon Online Username: DHfairytale
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Quagsire
    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set:
    Quagsire (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Unaware
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Scald
    - Earthquake
    - Toxic
    - Recover

    I made it !

    Heres the team... but don't expect anything exciting.

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    Tyranitar (M) @ Chople Berry
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Crunch
    - Fire Blast
    - Rock Slide


    Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin
    - Volt Switch


    Quagsire (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Unaware
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Scald
    - Earthquake
    - Toxic
    - Recover


    Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Softboiled
    - Flamethrower
    - Heal Bell
    - Toxic


    Reuniclus (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Magic Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Focus Blast
    - Psychic
    - Recover


    Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Disable
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast


    I know... lazy as fuck EV spreads and it's not at all original, but it works!

    Keep in mind I haven't actively played OU since before Thundurus was banned, so I don't understand the meta well enough to be very innovative... I just thought this was a fun idea and I wanted to get involved. I really love the way these mons play together though, and having a sturdy unaware poke like Quag opens up a ton of options in battle.

    oh and heres a replay... I was using seismic toss on Blissey at the time I believe lol, I actually just changed it, so I don't have any logs of my team exactly as it is.

    http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-DHfairytale-vs-Darkoness21--2012-01-08
  10. AccidentalGreed

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    Hey you. Yeah you. Don't even think about it. You're not getting Togekiss.

    PO Username: AGTesting
    Hall of Fame standing: Currently none
    Dark Horse: Togekiss
    Current Ladder standing: 1377

    This is the Pokemon I've been working with, and am highly comfortable with, despite its status in UU:

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    Togekiss @ Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace
    EVs: 220 HP / 36 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Nasty Plot
    - Roost
    - Heal Bell
    - Air Slash

    I shall post with details in the near future as I ladder. Let me just say this though: Togekiss is an acquired taste.

    Sorry man, I only have so much time away from PO.
  11. ssbbm

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    lol ag lets race to top 100 im bored
  12. ginganinja

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    I did it...

    Frizy, this one is for you

    WARNING FUCKING BIG COS I SUCK AT PAINT AND STUFF (open)
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    Pokemon Online Username: Kate
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Virizion (Frizy)
    Screenshot of Top 100 Ladder Ranking (above): 1363 (84th so far)
    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set:

    Frizy (Virizion) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Close Combat
    - Leaf Blade
    - Swords Dance
    - Stone Edge

    ill post a RMT but im posting a RMT with Frizy in it anyway for my 2K so w/e ill post the team once my 2K is out of the way. Also I have logs and stuff too so yeah ill post those soon as well

    and to finish

    FRIZY SUCKS

    EDIT: peaked at 1375 (72nd) before getting royally fucked by hax
  13. Darkdiglett

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    Pokemon Online Username: Lightning Siax
    Hall of Fame Standing: None as of yet!
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Houndoom
    Current Ladder Standing: 1202

    Team im using atm
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    Houndoom (M) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Nasty Plot
    - Flamethrower
    - Dark Pulse
    - Hidden Power [Ground]

    Dragonite (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Multiscale
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - ExtremeSpeed
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Punch

    Ninetales (M) @ Wide Lens
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Fire Blast
    - Energy Ball
    - Toxic

    Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 164 HP / 92 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Stealth Rock
    - Seismic Toss

    Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Sucker Punch
    - Aerial Ace

    Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Growth
    - SolarBeam
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
  14. spuds4ever

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    Pokemon online username: Death by Frog
    Hall of Fame Standing: N/A
    Dark Horse Pokemon currently working with: Toxicroak
    Current ladder standing: 1093 (only just started).

    Toxicroak @Black sludge
    EVs: 252 atk, 252 spd Jolly
    Sucker punch
    Substitute
    Drain punch
    Swords dance
  15. erisia

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    Oooh, looks like fun.

    Pokemon Online Username: erisiachamp
    Hall of Fame Standing: Little Mac's on his way...
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Machamp
    Current Ladder Standing: 1239

    Machamp (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: No Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
    - Substitute
    - DynamicPunch
    - Stone Edge
    - Payback

    RETURN OF THE CHAMP.
  16. AasTmO

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    Well, there goes Virizion... Just Snorlax for me, then.
  17. fairytale

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    Edited my registration post, gonna try this with Nidoqueen now.

    Also, on the list of registered users, it still has me with Snorlax and it isn't bolded. I'm not trying to rush you to change it, just making sure you're aware of it. :3
  18. ala

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    Pokemon Online Username: dunkaroo
    Hall of Fame Standing: Will be there shortly :)
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Kingdra/Toxicroak
    Current Ladder Standing: 1252

    Kingdra (F) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Sniper
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Outrage
    - Hydro Pump

    Toxicroak (F) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Dry Skin
    EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Bulk Up
    - Drain Punch
    - Sucker Punch
  19. Birkal

    Birkal We have the technology.
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    Hey guys! I've updated the Registered Users list and the Hall of Fame. Remember, the Registered Participants list is the ONLY place that I check for updates in Dark Horse Pokemon and PO usernames. If something is amiss, please PM or VM me! While it's great that you update throughout the topic to let other users know your progress, know that your Registration Form is the official source that I go to. I typically make a round for updating once a day (by clicking on every name and checking every team), so your patience is appreciated.

    Also, congratulations to fairytale and ginganinja! The two of you have been successfully added to the Hall of Fame. It's great to see that Quagsire and its fantastic ability can thrive and survive in OU; Lum Virizion is also an excellent addition to the Hall of Fame. Who knows who will show up next? Keep on laddering!


    Although this is a competition, the Dark Horse Project is first and foremost a project. As such, I'll be swinging by later to ask some questions for all participants to give us a good scope of how Dark Horse Pokemon as a whole are doing in OU. If you have any questions that you'd like presented to the group, feel free to post them here or PM them to me if you'd like to remain anonymous. See you on the flip side!
  20. toshimelonhead

    toshimelonhead Raising Whitney's Miltank

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    Pokemon Online Username: melonhead
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Venusaur
    Screenshot of Top 100 Ladder Ranking: Link for proof
    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set:

    Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 96 SDef / 12 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Sleep Powder
    - Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Leech Seed

    Pokemon Online Username: melonhead
    Dark Horse Pokemon: Sawsbuck
    Screenshot of Top 100 Ladder Ranking: Link for proof
    Dark Horse Pokemon Complete Set:

    Sawsbuck (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Frustration
    - Nature Power
    - Horn Leech

    RMT might be coming soon. Stay tuned :)
  21. jessifer

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    Hall of Fame Standing: N/A
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Lilligant
    Current Ladder Standing: 1015/17361

    Team:

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    Ninetales (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 HP / 100 SDef / 136 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Flamethrower
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Substitute
    - Protect


    Lilligant (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Quiver Dance
    - Sleep Powder
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power [Ice]


    Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Protect
    - Earthquake
    - Toxic


    Wobbuffet (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 28 HP / 252 Def / 228 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Encore
    - Mirror Coat
    - Counter
    - Safeguard


    Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Roar
    - Protect
    - Lava Plume


    Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Protect
    - Toxic
    - Seismic Toss
  22. Master of the Six Kings

    Master of the Six Kings

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    Dark Horse: Nidoking/Azelf
    Current ladder: 1183
  23. FrostFire

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    OK, so it's been a little while, and it's update time. The dark horse pokemon I chose was Suicune; and so far, I'm going relatively well. I'm still climbing the ladder at a steady rate, but I feel like I need a little bit more something if I want to actually break the top 100 (currently I'm at 502nd, so I have quite a ways to go yet).

    Anyway, this is the team that I've been using so far, and I'd really appreciate some advice.

    Landorus @Choice Scarf
    Sand Force
    Jolly - 4 HP /252 Atk. /252 Spe
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge
    -Hidden Power [Ice]
    -U-Turn

    Suicune @Leftovers
    Pressure
    Bold - 252 HP/ 252 Def. /4 Sp. Def
    -Calm Mind
    -Scald
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk

    Celebi @Life Orb
    Natural Cure
    Modest - 232 HP/ 240 Sp. Atk/ 36 Spe
    -Thunder Wave/ Heal Bell
    -Leaf Storm
    -Hidden Power [Fire]
    -Recover

    Heatran @Life Orb
    Flash Fire
    Modest - 252 Sp. Atk/ 4 Sp. Def/ 252 Spe
    -Fire Blast
    -Earth Power
    -Hidden Power [Ice]
    -Stealth Rock

    Skarmory @Leftovers
    Sturdy
    Impish - 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
    -Brave Bird
    -Spikes
    -Whirlwind
    -Roost

    Blissey @Leftovers
    Natural Cure
    Bold - 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Sp. Def
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Toxic
    -Seismic Toss

    Just as a side-note, I've actually been running two different Suicune sets, thanks to some advice I had.

    Suicune @Life Orb
    Pressure
    Timid - 4 HP/ 252 Sp. Atk/ 252 Spe
    -Calm Mind
    -Hydro Pump
    -Ice Beam
    -Hidden Power [Grass]

    Both sets have been working out fairly well; when I use Offensive Suicune, I tend to use Thunder Wave on Celebi, and when I use Crocune, I sometimes opt for Heal Bell, in case I need to switch out while Suicune's resting. Any more advice on which set is better/ how I can support it would be really helpful :)

    On to the team in general, once I decided that I was going to use Suicune, I started looking at the threats I had to cover. The first that immediately popped to mind was Rotom-W, which I knew I had to be able to thoroughly counter. So, who better than Celebi? The Tinkerbell set can simultaneously support my team with T-Wave (or Heal Bell) while being a diabolical offensive threat with 240 Sp. Atk EVs/ Modest - Life Orb Leaf Storm.
    Then I thought, well, I have a water and a grass type - why not throw in a fire type for some basic, but good defensive synergy? That's where Heatran came in, as it partners fantastically with Celebi, can set up SR, take fire attacks aimed at Celebi, and then proceed to terrorise with it's powerful Life Orb'd Fire Blast.

    This is where things get dicey. I ended up throwing together the SkarmBliss combo for several reasons: firstly, with so many Life Orbs on my team (3, if using Offensive Cune), wish support is really be appreciated. Secondly, Suicune doesn't hit so hard, and would probably appreciate some more hazards on the field to nab KO's (and I've found that there tends to be a lot of switching with this team, so Spikes + SR is useful anyway). Thirdly, I suck at really offensive playstyles, and I need a defensive core that won't compound weaknesses with Celebi/ Tran/ Cune (read: Celebi/ Heatran are offensive, and can't take too much of a beating). So, Skarmory and Blissey seem to fit nicely as members 4 and 5 of my team.

    Lastly, while Landorus may seem a bit of an after-thought, it's actually quite important. My entire team is actually quite slow, and I need something with a bit of pace, that can revenge stuff while still keeping momentum up.

    Eh, I don't know. This has become a bit tl;dr, and it was only supposed to be a quick update @_@
    Anywho, comments would be greatly, greatly appreciated. I'm determined to see Suicune break into the Hall of Fame ;)
  24. Stif247

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    Is there anyway to make it so i gain more points everytime on win a battle on PO? Its getting so old gaining 17 for every victory. Also frostfire your team looks pretty good but i recommend giga drain over leaf storm so that you can sweep and gain some of your life orb damage back.
  25. Matthew

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    Not sure if you want any advice but I think that DD Rest Outrage Waterfall Kingdra is a lot better than the current version you have. Sure, Outrage confusion can kinda be a bitch, but rain boosted Waterfall (or even something as simple as +2 Waterfall) can cause massive trouble for anything that doesn't resist it. The idea would simply be get rid of the opponents Ferrothorn then set up to the best of your ability. It was a great set last generation -- so I'm kind of interested to see how it does this generation.

    But maybe I'm just spit ballin' here!
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