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The (Past) Dark Horse Project — Volume 1

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Birkal, Jan 2, 2012.

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  1. ssbbm

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    CAW CAW CAW

    Dark Horse Pokemon:
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    Dugtrio (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Sucker Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Reversal

    Honchkrow (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Brave Bird
    - Sucker Punch
    - Roost

    Staraptor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Reckless
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Close Combat
    - U-turn
    - Double-Edge


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    Dugtrio (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Sucker Punch
    - Earthquake
    - Reversal

    Politoed (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Perish Song
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf

    Starmie @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Thunder
    - Rapid Spin
    - Ice Beam

    Magnezone @ Leftovers
    Trait: Magnet Pull
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Substitute
    - Thunder
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Flash Cannon

    Honchkrow (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Brave Bird
    - Sucker Punch
    - Roost

    Staraptor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Reckless
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Close Combat
    - U-turn
    - Double-Edge
  2. 2sly4u

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    I completely changed my team except for my Dark Horse candidate, but I'm doing better now!

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    Pokemon Online Username: 2sly4u2
    Hall of Fame Standing: Lol
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Wobbuffet
    Current Ladder Standing: not even close...

    Other Teammates:

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  3. Vemane

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    Ohgod I absolutely despise that damned xatu of yours @_@ for some odd reason that is the single battle that I can remeber from beyond yesterday :p
  4. Birkal

    Birkal CAW
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    Wow, wonderful job, ssbbm! You've successfully brought THREE Dark Horse Pokemon into the Hall of Fame and taken the top spot. Congrats! I'm sure many users would like to hear some words of wisdom on how you've created such a successful team.

    For everyone else, this means that Deoxys-D, Mienshao, Metagross, Bronzong, Dugtrio, Honchkrow, and Staraptor are all unavailable to gain entry into the Hall of Fame this month. If you have picked one of those Pokemon before, I've updated the Registered Users list by removing such mentions. Keep on laddering; I'm sure we'll see some more names pop up in the following days.
  5. FrostFire

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    Wow, this sounds really awesome... Definitely gonna give this a go.

    Pokemon Online Username: Dark [Water] Horse
    Hall of Fame Standing: Not yet lol :p
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Suicune
    Current Ladder Standing: 1225

    I'm thinking of running a standard CroCune set, maybe alongside Celebi and Heatran for some good type synergy. I'll update once I've given more thought as to how I'm gonna do this.
  6. Matthew

    Matthew I love weather; Sun for days
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    I don't know if I'd suggest CroCune over offensive Suicune this generation. Sleep has been nerfed and buffed completely this generation. Sleep moves are now more powerful and moves like Rest are now somewhat of a hindrance. If you're forced out and you've used Rest you'll have your sleep counter reset, which is pretty annoying, especially for something who is supposed to: sleep, wake up, stat up, sleep, wake up, stat up. Offensive Suicune is really awesome though. Calm Mind, Surf, Ice Beam, HP Grass or Electric (depending on your team, mostly) really can fuck this metagame up. I also prefer Life Orb on my Suicune, but no matter to that. I'd say go for offensive cune (252 Spe / 4 SpDef / 252 SpA Timid) over Cro.
  7. Charge

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    Pokemon Online Username: iAmElectric
    Hall of Fame Standing: -NIL-
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: SD Feraligatr.
    Current Ladder Standing: 1632.

    Feraligatr (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Aqua Jet
    - Crunch
    - Superpower


    Pokemon Online Username: iAmElectric
    Hall of Fame Standing: -NIL-
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Froslass
    Current Ladder Standing: 12275(dropped a bit due to major testing >_>)

    Froslass (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Spikes
    - Taunt
    - Destiny Bond
    - Thunder Wave
  8. fairytale

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    Pokemon Online Username: NQfairytale
    Hall of Fame Standing: none
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Nidoqueen
    Current Ladder Standing: none :3
  9. Cherub Agent

    Cherub Agent Yeah, well. The Dude abides
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    updated my Registration form with new name and new Dark Horse
  10. DDRMaster

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    Well I've done pretty well so far. While Porygon2 and Reuniclus are usually the stars of the team, Bulk Up Scrafty has been owning in the past two days. It can come in and start setting up against weak attackers like Ferrothorn, Jirachi, and bulky Waters and ShedRest takes care of any Paralysis and Burn.

    Due to Trick Room, it can either get a boosted attack off against whatever comes in or use another Bulk Up to make it more or less immune to neutral physical attacks. Bulky Phazers and Fighting-types like Skarmory, Vaporeon, and Conkledurr are the only true counters for it. The former two are worn down by Drain Punch and are usually forced out by the rest of my team and the latter can be taken care of by Reuniclus.

    After Trick Room goes down, it become much easier to check as most Fighting moves will put a huge dent in it, but it's usually at least worn its counters down by that point.
  11. Vix

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    I may have to try this with bayleef later...
  12. Pearl.

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    Pokemon Online Username: Sakura Card Captor.
    Hall of Fame Standing: 2nd.
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Froslass.
    Current Ladder Standing: 1455.

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  13. Molk

    Molk tfw zoroark
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    if one of these pokemon is on your team, but is not your dark horse, is that okay?
  14. afterburn

    afterburn Villain of some untold story
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    Updated Registration form with new Dark Horse. Weavile has good uses, but it's a bit tough to build around :/
  15. Texas Cloverleaf

    Texas Cloverleaf meh
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    Of course, they aren't the pokemon you registered with so there is no outlaw against them.

    As for my own team I've recently recreated my team with Choice Band Aggron and its completely raped everything. Having had previous misadventures with Sand I knew I wanted to avoid using weather if possible. I also had seen Pocket's previous post supporting Life Orb Heatran. A natural connection and a method of dealing with weather later and boom, Sunny Day Heatran was ressurected. After discussion with several users a core was quickly created of Heatran, Celebi ad Jellicent, who combined are able to deal with Sun and Rain fairly handily. However I was still lacking a strong answer to Landorus and Terakion in particular and so Skarmory joined the team as a Sand check, as well as my second hazard setter along with Celebi. Incidentally, the combination of Celebi and Skarmory effectively immunized my team against Volt-Turn, particularly with the presence of HP Fire in Celebi's moveset.

    After playtesting, this core handled most threats pretty much on their own, leaving Aggron free to do as he pleased and leaving the sixth slot open to checking that which needed to be checked. Aggron became notable for being able to come in after a death in a lot of cases and completely smash something with its Choice Band Head Smash. Notably, it can take any Choiced Tyranitar attack bar Superpower with ease giving it free rein to fire off Head Smashes, as well as being a secondary Dragon check, covering things like Choice Band Dragonite, ParaShuffler Dragonite and Hidden Power Fire Latias in Sun. The final team slot was eventually selected to be a Scarfed Hydreigon, being able to come in reasonably often due to its passable bulk and decent resistances and covering a number of speedier threats against the team.

    Two threats I've noticed so far, one greater and one lesser, have been Nidoking and Special Defensive Heatran. The former is able to break through every Pokemon on my team with the possible exception of a full health Jellicent and is only able to be revenged by Hydreigon. In the one battle I played one, the third time I brought Hydreigon in on a prediction he was Ice Beamed in the face leading to a loss as everything else was easily KOd.

    The more notable threat to my team is Specially defensive heatran, being able to wall and force out both Skarmory and Celebi, being able to take Hydreigon's Focus Blasts easily-especially with Protect-outspeeding Aggron, and being unthreatened by Jellicent due to my running Night Shade, leaving the only member of my team capable of beating it to be Sunny Day Heatran, who is often walled or forced out by some members of the opposing team.

    At any rate the team has served me well so far, I am at present within striking distance of the top 100, being roughly 100 points out, and any thoughts on the team or others experiences are welcome.
  16. Pocket

    Pocket Bringing the Afro to Space
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    Yea, Sunny Day Heatran seems like a very cool partner, Texas :d I don't know the fourth move on your Celebi, but you could either try Baton Pass, Thunder Wave, Leech Seed, or Earth Power. With Baton Pass, you can wear down Heatran with SR + Spikes as you switch into Nidoking. Leech Seed wears down Heatran just the same, usually forcing it out. Thunder Wave makes Protect fail 25% of the time, and your Aggron is faster now. With Earth Power, you should be able to 2HKO non-Protect Heatran. Earth Power is probably the least useful option, though, since it has little utility outside of taking out Heatran and some other mons, and it makes Celebi pretty one-dimensional / easy to deal with.

    PS: I was thinking over Recover :p
  17. Texas Cloverleaf

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    Celebi is Leaf Storm/HP Fire/Recover/Rocks. I would use T-Wave but SR on Celebi was the most natural fit.
  18. toshimelonhead

    toshimelonhead Raising Whitney's Miltank

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    Hall of Fame Standing: in? maybe? please?
    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Venusaur
    Current Ladder Standing: 95th

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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Sawsbuck
    Current Ladder Standing: 95th
  19. Pearl.

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    The Dark White Horse:
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    Froslass -
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    Trait - Snow Cloak
    EVs - 132 HP | 120 SpA | 4 SpD | 252 Spe
    Timid Nature (+ Spe, - Atk)
    • Taunt
    • Spikes
    • Ice Beam
    • Destiny Bond

    I made a custom spread instead of going for 252/252 in order to look smarter make sure Froslass could take a Crunch from the typical Choice Scarf Tyranitar after Stealth Rock and Sandstorm damage, so it could at least set up a layer of Spikes, which was needed for Gliscor. I kind of took the idea from Gen 4 Azelf, but without Explosion and U-turn. Destiny Bond was pretty cool too.


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    (Froslass) (F) @ Colbur Berry
    Trait: Snow Cloak
    EVs: 132 HP / 120 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Taunt
    - Spikes
    - Ice Beam
    - Destiny Bond

    (Gliscor) (F) @ Flight Gem
    Trait: Sand Veil
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Swords Dance
    - Acrobatics
    - Earthquake

    (Heatran) (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 248 HP / 232 SDef / 28 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Lava Plume
    - Stealth Rock
    - Toxic
    - Roar

    (Tyranitar) (F) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Pursuit
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge
    - Superpower

    (Slowbro) (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Slack Off
    - Toxic
    - Scald
    - Fire Blast

    (Breloom) (F) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 240 HP / 204 SDef / 64 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Bulk Up
    - Seed Bomb
    - Drain Punch
    - Spore


    To be honest, the challenge wasn't hard at all, probably because my team looked like a recycled HO team from the Deoxys-S metagame, and also because if I wanted a real challenge I'd just use something like three Dark Horses at once, but it was still funny. I wanted to check out how good HO that relied on Spikes was in a metagame without Deoxys-S, but ended with a Bulky Offensive team that relies on the same Spikes to win games, instead of stuff such as Volt Switch and U-turn. I guess that works too, and even though it has some glaring weaknesses, it handles pretty much everything else in the metagame. Between Heatran, Tyranitar, Heatran, Slowbro and Breloom all forms of weather are covered, and the later easily handles Scizor - Rotom-W - Landorus combos and stuff like that as well. I also like it because it's unique, since, according to this list, I was the only person who chose Froslass as a Dark Horse and unlike other people, the team wasn't based around her, since she's meant to be used as a supporter, as you all know.

    By the way: I'm sorry I didn't update at all, but there wasn't really anything to say. Besides that, it took me so little to climb on the ladder and everytime I was going to update I just felt like laddering a little more.

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    EDIT - DAMN, I forgot Slowbro could be used as a Dark Horse too. I could've registered it as well on the Hall Of Fame ;_;. Whatever, I guess it's too late now.
  20. VaporeonIce

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    Nice job, Pearl.! That offensive Gliscor should be a Dark Horse on its own...
  21. Soulous

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    Dark Horse Pokemon Currently Working With: Crawdaunt
    Current Ladder Standing:1269
  22. Birkal

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    I've updated the Hall of Fame with our newest entrant. Very unique use of Froslass. I know I personally would have gone for Snow Cloak abuse, but your method worked well. Kudos, Pearl.! You currently hold the top spot. But we'll have to see if one of our other three Hall of Famers can dethrone you. Or perhaps a new Dark Horse Pokemon will arise from the depths to claim the lead. Keep it up, DST!
  23. Fizz

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    Edit: Lol that team didn't work at all.
  24. Pearl.

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    Decided to take the initiative and be the first person to break the 1400 milestone on the Dark Horse Project. The result? See below:

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    And since this update needs something relevant, here's my last battle before reaching my current ranking.

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    EDIT - Updated my first post in the thread with my most recent ladder ranking. I'm done with laddering for now.
  25. Charge

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    Updated my registration form with new Dark Horse Pokemon and new laddering name.

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    Hey, Pocket. Can you suggest something that can improve my team? Because it's hovering on 1100~ and I keep on losing matches because I don't have the defense to tank damages and that sucks. I'm really not sure what am I having trouble with but yeah, I'm pretty much losing matches every now and then. This is a team built around SD Gatr.


    EDIT: Forgot to put in my team lol

    Team (open)
    Politoed (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Toxic
    - Perish Song
    - Ice Beam
    Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Spikes
    - Gyro Ball
    - Power Whip
    Feraligatr (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Aqua Jet
    - Crunch
    - Superpower
    Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang
    - Taunt
    Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - U-turn
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit
    Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Hidden Power [Grass]
    - Trick
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