I was actually under the impression that BL pokemon got more play on a level playing ground for them than the occasional lone sighting in "one BL allowed" UU tournaments. So when Dragontamer informed me that his suggestion, in the "BL/UU Tier Discussion thread" that Walrein seems ready for OU play, I naturally assumed, given his track record of being stubborn and rebelliously outspoken on such pokemon matters, that he was just trying to stir things up again. But when he PMed me, it became apparent that the logic behind his posts stemmed from the no-man's-land nature that is the BL "tier". Besides NU, about which nobody really cares, every other tier has its corresponding metagame, with an open-level of sorts that only restricts pokemon in the tier or tiers above. Ubers is a free-for-all, since there is no higher tier than ubers. OU is "standard" and it allows everything but ubers. But then we leapfrog straight to UU, which only allows UU and NU pokemon, with the occasional aforementioned lone BL. Lastly there is NU, for which there is no metagame really, but again, who cares. So where does that leave the pokemon in the BL tier? In a forgotten limbo (that's contradictorily a cruel high jump for the sake of this imagery, bear with me) where the bar is set too high for them to feature without a push from some OU support. Why? Is it really the case that, if there were a BL metagame, which would obviously include only BL, UU and NU pokemon, that it would be so broken and unbalanced that it wouldn't be an endeavor worth taking? When I brought this up in #insidescoop, Lords took this thinking to the next, tangible level, suggesting Specs Roserade as a pokemon that would likely unbalanced a hypothetical BL metagame. This obviously begs the scrutiny of the very tier we're trying to iron out now, so I'll paste it here for our benefit. BL Abomasnow Alakazam Ambipom Arcanine Articuno Blaziken Charizard Claydol Cloyster Drapion Empoleon Entei Espeon Exeggutor Floatzel Flygon Gallade Gardevoir Hariyama Honchkrow Houndoom Jolteon Jynx Kingdra Leafeon Lickilicky Ludicolo Magmortar Marowak Medicham Mesprit Milotic Miltank Mismagius Moltres Ninjask Porygon2 Raikou Ramparados Regice Regigigas Regirock Registeel Roserade Sceptile Scizor Slaking Shaymin Shedinja Smeargle Snorlax Spiritomb Staraptor Steelix Tauros Torterra Umbreon Uxie Venusaur Zangoose I would think that an Arcanine/Probopass (the latter is UU and we don't have a UU list yet but whatever) contingent could handle Specs Roserade much the same way a Salamence/Steelix one handled CB Heracross, a similarly "uncounterable" threat in Advance. Raikou is another trouble pokemon, potentially, but Snorlax would be able to handle it as it did in Advance. Medicham could be handled by Uxie...etc. This is where you guys come in. First, do you think there is absolutely no need for a BL metagame, given the fact that we'll have its tier largely finalized (as finalized as a tier can be) rather soon? If so, do you think it will be more balanced or less balanced than OU is currently? If not, why do you feel that a BL metagame is unnecessary? I would also appreciate some further theorycraft along the lines of what's featured in the paragraph above this, as, while I realize that the stability and usefulness of such a metagame would need to be tested extensively in battle, you've got to start somewhere, right?