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Gen 5 The RU Viability Ranking Thread

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Molk, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. Molk

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    Yeah i'm going to agree with Texas here, i've been thinking the untested list is starting to get a bit overcrowded (a lot of that is my fault :s). I'd really like to focus on the Pokemon that are already on the list for now, especially now that queen leaving has shifted the metagame a bit and might make previously placed Pokemon more or less viable. Even after we get all those mons placed in appropriate ranks, i'd like to focus on the untested mons we already have now, trying to place as many as possible before we move on to new possible undiscovered threats. If you think something not listed here has potential in RU, feel welcome to post it either in the np thread or in the the undiscovered threats discussion. New underrated threats are cool and all, but i'd like to focus on the top/mid/low for existing ranks for now :>.

    Btw, after i make my next update, i'll be allowing discussion on the top/mid/low placements of C rank!
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    • [​IMG] Bouffalant Top B-Rank Bouffalant is definetly one underrated threat. Bouflant has an amazing base 110 attack , which can be further boosted with swords dance, and decent 95/95/95 defense, meaning that its pretty bulky. Sap sipper is an amazing trait since it not only gives it a grass immunity, but a free attack boost. While his base 55 speed and a weakness to fighting often hold him back, with proper support, boufflant's flaws can be remedied.
    • [​IMG] Swellow Low B-Rank Swellow has many thing going for it. It has two powerful STAB moves in facade and bravebird, the ability to scout with U-Turn, guts and an amazing base 125 speed. However, it has many thchings against it as well. Limited coverage options and low defenses means that its going to fall to every steel and rock type in the tier. Swellow absolutely needs a fighting type to dispose the pokemon. Rhydon in particular can setup rock polishes as swellow switches out and sweep the foes team. Swellow needs too much support to be mid-top B-rank.
    BTW, I feel that magneton is too good for C-Rank and think that it deserves low B-rank. Specially defensive magneton is good at checking hail teams, while substitute magneton is good at setting up charge beams against klinklang.
    EDIT: Since munchlax is NU, it and the E-Rank should be removed entirely.
  3. Molk

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    k, going to make some updates today :>.

    So here are the changes i've made this time around, if you disagree with a recently made change be sure to post an argument on why i misplaced the Pokemon and where it should be moved instead!

    As i mentioned before i wont be moving any Pokemon in untested until we're a bit more finished placing the Pokemon that are currently ranked, but in my opinion Throh and Sawk are going to end up somewhere around Mid/Low C rank and/or D rank. They really arent terrible Pokemon in and of themselves but they recieve a lot of competition from the Fighting-types already in the tier such as Gallade, Poliwrath, Primeape, etc, making them not as good in the long run. Out of the two i'm actually the most interested in throh, because even though it doesnt share Poliwrath's great typing, the difference between throh's bulk and wrath's bulk is pretty significant: 90/95/90 is nothing compared to 120/85/85. But even with that, I'd still place throh somewhere in like mid to low C rank at most :/.

    EDIT: By the way, I'm now allowing discussion on the top/mid/low placement of C rank as well, so if you have any thoughts on that feel free to post!
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    I would like to propose galvantula to move up to top B or EVEN low A!

    Galvantula used to be able to sweep very well, but, with the amount of teams nidoqueen was on, it's sweep would get stopped pretty reliably thanks to nidoqueen resisting and being immune to it's two STABs, and it's main coverage move. People would have to spare a slot for hidden power water just to cover the nasty queen, which, using a popular specs set (which imo is the best, lo doesn't help to its overall frailty as is) would require it to switch.

    However now nidoqueen has (finally) gone over to UU, letting galvantula able to shoot out both of its two STABs with much less worry as there are so few less pokemon in the tier that could stop a sweep now, and the ones that can are so less used, I think that galvantula should be able to go up a tier or two.
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    What about moving magneton up to low B-Rank and removing munchlax because it is NU? Magneton has become much better with the lose of queen, as he is now a good counter to hail teams (watch out for HP ground) and certain steel types like klinklang. his STAB aren't too shabby either as they land a solid hit on ice types and water types. All in all, magneton is a decent pokemon and should be low B-rank IMO.
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    So Nidoqueen moving up definitely helped Camerupt as that's one less threat to worry about, and most Electric-types and Bug-types have more freedom in spamming their STAB moves...or so they think. Still proving to be a good stop to offensive threats such as Mow-tom, Manectric, Magmortar, Accelgor, Liligant (Quiver Dances can be undone with Roar, provided Sleep Clause is activated), Galvantula, Eelektross, Magneton, Typhlosion, special Sceptile and Durant (both to an extent)....while holding its own against a number of defensive threats such as Steelix, Uxie, Tangrowth, Escavalier, Cryogonal, Amoonguss, Ferroseed, any Rotom, SubRoost Moltres, Spiritomb or most Hail teams....all with a simple moveset of the helpful Stealth Rock, Roar, and Lava Plume for support and Earth Power for extra coverage.

    Its sheer vulnerability to virtually any Water-type cannot place it any higher than C in my opinion, but as Camerupt faces little competition in its role as a special sponge able to stop the aforementioned threats, low-B is probably the best I'd give it (and that's being generous).
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    I got an opinion on only a few of the C-Rankers. I may post more, I may not...

    [​IMG] Archeops I think should be Top C. This may seem strange because it is weak to Stealth Rock and has a really bad ability, but the sheer power of Acrobatics is astounding. This, combined with a high speed, makes the initial hit very difficult to switch into, because Flying is not commonly resisted and it outspeeds most of the metagame as well. It also has a pretty good movepool, with moves such as Stone Edge, Earth Power (screw Steelix), and even Head Smash to be a nuke. Requires some support and can be hit-or-miss at times but it is a solid Top C-Rank Pokemon.
    [​IMG] Quagsire I think should be Top C as well. It is a pretty cool Pokemon thanks to Unaware, Scald, its typing, and instant Recovery. That's really about it, to be honest, its a fairly simple Pokemon and it performs alright against set-up sweepers. There are some things which run HP Grass mainly to take it (and Rhydon) out, so in general, I think it is a decent bulky water in RU, and it isn't destroyed by Pokemon that may randomly run stuff like Swords Dance to get past their counters. Seems alright in Top C to me.
    [​IMG] Electivire seems Mid C to me. Its often berated, and for a good reason, but there are so many moves that this thing can learn to hit you with - you aren't exactly safe no matter what you have because of all that coverage. It is prone to being worn down fairly quickly, but it can break common cores with some entry hazards, although opponents switching also kinda ruins its chances a bit. It can get walled fairly easily by things such as Uxie, but it is good at cleaning up teams after a Motor Drive boost or breaking down walls with the right prediction (though that prediction can be tough)
    [​IMG] Primeape is fairly iffy but seems Mid C. Vital Spirit and its Speed are the only true advantages of Primeape, the former of which is important but not all that great on Primeape, and the Speed thing is also eh because between Medicham and Primeape, there isn't much. Good momentum grabber with U-Turn, and it still hits hrd enough with Close Combat, however, which I guess makes it alright for Mid C, although Low wouldn't be unrealistic.
    [​IMG] Whimsicott feels Low C to me. It has a several interesting niches, but it lacks the offensive force needed to actually scare anything. Priority Stun Spore is nice, and it can do a bit to help out with momentum, but there are a lot of things running around that really don't care about it. It can support teams in a lot of ways thanks to Prankster, but alone it is not really doing much to anything. Every time I face one it tends to be a slight annoyance or something that boosts the rest of the team a sight bit, but it lacks the needed offense and, more importantly, defense.
    [​IMG] Skuntank seems Low C to me. Spiritomb, Absol, and Drapion give it a ton of competition, enough to make me question why you would use it. As for trapping Ghosts, it faces a lot of competition and there is also a lot of need not to bother with it because using Rapid Spin is so easy in RU with Kabutops and Cryogonal being the beasts they are. I guess it has Drapion's Typing with Sucker Punch and... Explosion and Fire Blast? No boosting moves, being somewhat frail, makes it seem outclassed.

    EDIT: Would it be unrealistic to think that all the unranked B-Rank Poemon deserve Low B? A lot of them were hurt by Nidoqueen leaving, and the other two Spikers are OK but not great.
  8. Molk

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    I'm not so sure on moving magneton to low B rank yet, even though its undeniably a cool Pokemon in this metagame, i think its still sorta niche, being mainly limited to trapping eliminating certain Steel-types for its teammates (although i'm aware that Magneton can use Analytic effecively as well, which is one of the reasons i've considered bumping it up to low B rank to go along with your proposal). but its something i'm considering doing next time i update the ranks for sure, at this point even if i decide against moving Magneton up to low B rank, its pretty much guarenteed a spot in top C rank regardless, imo.

    Also i'm probably going to wait a little bit on Munchlax just in case its usage rises up next month, but if its usage doesn't rise then i'll remove him and the E rank asap (unless Dusknoir ends up in E rank).

    @Swamp-Rocket, it was kinda both, i seriously think there are some silly gimmicks that might be good enough to deserve D rank such as level 1 pineco and solosis in the hail, but i added them mainly as jokes anyway, i'll remove them
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    Hey, I'll discuss then for some Top, Mid, and Low C-Rankers!

    Top:

    Archeops, Charizard, Haunter, Quagsire, Vanilluxe

    [​IMG] Archeops is extremely deadly, as Flying Gem 140 Attack Acrobatics is extremely brutal. Stone Edge and EQ with that high Attack are absurd, and its solid 112 Special Attack allow it to pummel Steelix with Heat Wave or Rhydon with Earth Power. It is very frail and high maintenance, but otherwise has the potential to be a deadly Pokemon.

    [​IMG] Charizard is a powerful sun sweeper, as STAB Fire Blast boosted by Sun and Solar Power is a pain and extremely hard to endure if your name isn't Slowking. Charizard can destroy whole teams with relative ease if given the chance, and also has an admirable Speed tier to complement his prowess. 4x weakness to SR sucks and he's really, really easy to wear down, but Charizard is still a lethal Pokemon.

    [​IMG] Haunter is actually pretty good, with a good Speed tier (faster than any Ghost-type viable for use in RU, for the record), and has a solid 115 Special Attack to use some pretty strong attacks with. Haunter is really frail though so High C it is.

    [​IMG] Quagsire is actually pretty good in RU tbh. Unaware is a great ability and allows it to deal with SD Absol and Gallade, as well as HC Durant and friends. His typing is pretty damn good to check Entei as well, so that's a plus. Nonetheless, Quagsire is a good asset to teams if you do happen to use him, but he's outclassed by Poliwrath so thus a Top C-Ranker.

    [​IMG] Vanilluxe is pretty lethal with STAB Blizzard to abuse in hail, and it has some perks, such as a solid Speed tier to get at Absol while it has Autotomize to be really fast and spam mighty Blizzards. Faces really stiff competition from Glaceon and Rotom-F though and has lacking coverage, but it's good enough for Top C.

    Mid:

    Altaria, Drifblim, Electivire, Hariyama, Linoone, Primeape, Swoobat, Victreebel, Volbeat, Whimsicott

    [​IMG] Altaria is a pretty good asset to defensive teams, and it has a solid Special Defense to be an okay check to Moltres and Sceptile (and I guess Slowking as well). Altaria is a decent special wall who also is a good cleric, and SpecsTaria is unique and can hit decently hard (Fuck Druddigon). Nonetheless, I think Altaria is a good asset to defensive teams as well as a decent Specs user and should be at least Mid C-Rank.

    [​IMG] Drifblim is a solid Acrobatics user and can do decently well; and supports decently with D-Bond and can be an alright weather supporter. Drifblim can also use CM decently, although CMprit is better, Blim is pretty decent to use Shadow Ball and HP Fighting and can use Unburden to be a fast and powerful sweeper. That's about all there is to Drifblim.

    [​IMG] Electivire gets a bad rap. It really does. Ever since his inception in DPP OU, this thing has always been mocked for one thing: He hits 13 of the 17 types super effectively, but despite that, he always misses out on KO's. That said, Electivire has a solid niche in RU as one of few viable mixed attackers in the tier. Its missing out on KO's can be patched up by layers of Spikes, and we have no shortage of Spikers either: we have many ranging from the speedy Scolipede to the bulky Roselia, so Electivire is always free to be paired with any Spiker. With Spikes support, a simple set of Wild Charge, Flamethrower, EQ, and HP Grass or Ice Punch can break down common cores like TanKing, SteelKing, or even EscavKing, (damn so many cores involve Slowking). Motor Drive is pretty cool so if you come in on a T-Wave from Slowking / Uxie, you're pretty much up for a sweeping condition. Nonetheless, while Electivire isn't that good, he's decent with the proper support (which he needs a lot of, perfect for C-Rank), so Mid C it is.

    [​IMG] Hariyama is brutal, especially in Trick Room, as Guts CC is nothing to be trifled with. Priority Bullet Punch and Stone Edge make it pretty deadly as well, so this thing can punch some pretty big holes in teams. Hariyama is also a decent special wall with Force Palm, Whirlwind, and RestTalk, but eh. Anyways, solid Mid C imo.

    [​IMG] Linoone is pretty deadly, with Belly Drum E-Speed wrecking shop. Linoone has enough coverage to just destroy everything, and Shadow Claw shits on Rotom and Golurk while Seed Bomb handles Quagsire, Poliwrath, and Rhydon. It's really frail though so it needs Memento support, but either way it's a mid C because it wrecks shop.

    [​IMG] Primeape is an okay Pokemon, with a usable Speed tier and U-turn allowing it to be of enough use in RU. It has a decently strong Close Combat while Punishment can deal with random CMprits and SD Gallades, and that's about it. Outside of that, Primeape is pretty meh, though it's an okay Pokemon who can work.

    [​IMG] Swoobat is pretty devastating with its pseudo Nasty Plot and Stored Power making it a force to be reckoned with, as nothing can really survive and some special attackers may struggle to get past it afterwards. It's really powerful after a boost and it can really devastate teams with ease. It's really frail though and it's rather weak before a boost, so it needs some support to work well.

    [​IMG] Victreebel is an amazing sun sweeper, as Growth boosted Leaf Blade and Sludge Bomb really wreck the fuck outta everything. It can shit on TanKing and some other cores and nothing can really survive its onslaught. Weather Ball is really nice too. Victreebel is also resistant to common priority such as Mach Punch and Aqua jet, so despite its fraility it can live weaker moves. Outside of sun though it's pretty worthless and frail, so it needs sun support to be the devastating sweeper it is.

    Low:

    Gabite, Golem, Sandslash, Skuntank

    [​IMG] Gabite has nice STAB coverage, and its decent enough to work in RU if Druddigon isn't your cup of tea. He has a nice CB set and Outrage+EQ is fine coverage making Gabite hard to wall. That said, it's got a lot of competition from Fraxure and Druddigon, making it a lower C-Ranker.

    [​IMG] Golem is okay, as it is an effective lead who can reliably set up Stealth Rock, and guarantees that thans to Sturdy, unless it is Cinccino who is ready to ruin your day. It has fine STAB coverage too and priority in Sucker Punch, so it can work. Outclassed by Rhydon though.

    [​IMG] Sandslash, a Pokemon who I previously attempted to nominate for E-Rank, is a decent spinner. SD+Lum Sandslash is a fine spinner who can beat Spiritomb and Rotom, while it has enough physical bulk to pull off a spin. Sandslash can also kill some opponents here and there such as Drapion and Electivire. it's not that good, but it can work as a spinner if you really need it.

    [​IMG] Skuntank can definitely work in RU, but Absol, Drapion, and Spiritomb are simply better. Skuntank has Sucker Punch, Aftermath, and Fire Blast, but that's about it.

    Those are just my initial thoughts on some of the C-Rankers.

    Anyways, I think these are appropriate for the remaining B-Rankers:

    Top:
    [​IMG] Mesprit is really versatile and has a nice balance of stats to make good use out of her amazing movepool. She's a case of a Pokemon that you don't know what she's gonna do 'til it's too late. She does fucking everything, from Offensive CM to Support to CB. Healing Wish is good too and makes her a good asset to teams that need it. Nonetheless, Mesprit does her jobs extremely well and is pretty unpredictable.

    Mid:
    [​IMG] Gardevoir is pretty strong and makes for a fine special attacker. Its 125 SpA and solid movepool are pretty good, and Trace allows it to check a lot of things like Lanturn, Magneton, and a lot of others. LO Gard is strong and works really well. Also, it's a decent cleric / Wish supporter. That's about all there is to Gardy.

    [​IMG] Roselia is one of the best bulky Spikers around, with her only competition being Qwilfish. While the spiky puffer shines on teams in need of a check to things like Escavalier, Entei, and Emboar, Roselia excels on those in need of an answer to threats such as Sceptile, Galvantula, and Omastar. Roselia is a great special wall who can take on the aforementioned threats, and she sets up Spikes very reliably. Roselia is no sitting duck either; a solid 100 Special Attack with good STAB's in Giga Drain and Sludge Bomb make her even better to take on those threats. Roselia has some other support options as well, so she can always be a good team supporter if needed. While she does have some flaws such as low Defense and a rival in Amoonguss, her perks more than outshine that, making her suitable for Mid B.

    [​IMG] Scolipede is soooo good in this metagame, the fact that it dropped to NU is a joke and a traversity. Scolipede is an amazing Spiker, he has an awesome Speed tier that not many can match, and he can set up Spikes very reliably for offensive teams. If he gets to Sash level, a Swarm powered Megahorn is amazing an can wreck. He even gets QuakeSlide coverage, making him incredibly difficult to wall. With SD and 90 Attack, he can use that incredible coverage and be a vicious sweeper as well if you're not using him as a Spiker; he can wreck whole teams to pieces using his power, coverage, and speed. He's got a bit of competition, but Scolipede has enough perks and he's so damn solid he is good in Mid B.

    [​IMG] Seismitoad is an excellent rain sweeper, and he has enough power to leave his mark. While he doesn't have Ice Beam, Sludge Wave and Earth Power provide solid coverage to get at a lot of things. He has an immunity to Electric, so he makes a great asset to rain teams to patch up the Electric weakness they often have. He's also a usable defensive pivot with Water Absorb, and is a decent user of SR, so that's a plus. Pretty solid Mid B imo.

    Low:
    [​IMG] I think Magneton is good enough for a low B imo. He's a solid Steel trapper and SpecsMagneton is a solid hard hitter who not only reliably traps Steels, but also checks Absol, Kabutops, Feraligatr, and more. He has a great defensive typing so he can take a couple of hits, and ANALYTIC is a cool niche as well. SpD Magneton is cool as well, as is Scarf, but overall I think Magneton is good enough to get into Low B imo.

    Please move Dusknoir to E-Rank; it can't even do its job well and it has no reason to be used over any Ghost-type available in the tier.
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    In my opinion Duosion might deserve either Low C rank or maybe D rank. With Hail Support, it can do a fun entrails set which gets rid of common bulky bastions like Uxie, Escavalier and maybe sometimes even Clefable, Miltank, Slowking and Sigilyph if the opponent runs sets without healing or mistimes healing.

    It can also function outside Hail, with the ability to clean up after stuff like Escavalier is gone. Combining both functions works pretty well too n_n

    I would write more but I have no time oops >_>
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    Altaria-I think that Altaria is a solid High C. With specs, Altaria's dmeteor hits like a truck, smashing through almost everything bar the strongest special walls, and hammering even resists hard(such as durant and aggron-both 2HKO'd by specs dmeteor). With just fire blast and draco meteor alone, altaria gets neutral coverage on everything in the tier. Altaria even has pretty good bulk and a good defensive typing, allowing it to check pokes such as Magmortar and Sceptile without HP Ice. However, Altaria does have issues-it is sr weak, relatively slow and has to rely on specs and a move that decreases its special attack by two stages if it want to hit hard. High C rank sounds good for altaria therefore IMO.

    Haunter-Haunter is another poke that I think deserves high C rank. Despite having the defences of tissue paper, Haunter has three excellent immunities to fighting, normal and ground, all of which are very common types in RU. Haunter also 4x resists bug, which is a relatively common type as well. This means that although haunter does have terrible defences, it can still check a large number of pokemon in the tier thanks to its typing, and it is able to set-up a Substitute on lots of pokes in the tier. Haunter also has a great special attack stat, as well as relatively good coverage to back it up-you get neutral coverage on everything in the tier with shadow ball / sludge bomb / HP ground iirc. 95 speed is also pretty good in RU, outspeeding moltres, rotom, lilligant and others. Although haunter faces quite a lot of competition with rotom, due to their similar typings and rotom's better bulk, and haunter's general fragility, Haunter's high special attack, great set of immunities and good speed tier put it as a solid High C for me.
  12. Molk

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    update time!

    so these are the changes i've made since the last time i updated this thread


    Remember, these changes arent permanent, so if you strongly disagree with a change i made feel free to voice your opinion on the matter and we'll discuss it in the thread!


    Anyways, Regirock easily deserves top C rank, in my opinion. Its an excellent defensive pivot and reliable Stealth Rock setter for stall and balanced teams and one of the single best checks to Fire-types in the tier, even hard checking the mighty Moltres with ease. Regirock can also provide team support other than Stealth Rock in the form of Thunder Wave, which it has no trouble spreading around thanks to its massive bulk and cool resistances to Fire- and Normal-type Attacks. Nidoqueen has also moved up to UU recently, taking a ton of pressure off of Regirock as Nidoqueen gave it some trouble. Lastly, Regirock's a good bulky sun setter, being able to set up sun for its teammates with ease thanks to its good bulk and having the capability to get something such as Victreebel in for free by sacrificing itself with Explosion when needed. All in all, i think Regirock's totally deserving of top C rank, but if you disagree, once again, feel free to voice your opinion here!
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    I'm a bit confused on why scolipede is low B-Rank. It is faster than most of the metagame, has a powerful offensive move in megahorn, which can be further increased with swords dance, and has baton pass. It deserves mid-B Rank IMO.
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    23:25 Texas why is altaria top C
    23:25 Texas altaria is crap
    23:25 spambitches lovesync: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fuck -- erasing the bias to mental summons is lagging it's weird crap ass )
    23:26 --- Texas has banned *!*@synIRC-99C63522.hsd1.co.comcast.net
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    23:27 Texas molk
    23:27 Texas hitmonchan to C
    23:27 Texas vanilluxe to D
    23:27 Texas golem to D
    23:27 Texas Linoone to D
    23:27 Molk hitmonchan to C sounds reasonable
    23:27 Molk dunno anything about golem
    23:28 Molk luxe and linoone probably still deserve C
    23:28 Molk and tbh i really like altaria
    23:28 Texas Exeggutor and Basculin to D
    23:28 Texas Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the RU metagame, but are decent enough to justify their use on some teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that.
    23:28 Texas vanilluxe to a T
    23:28 Texas the first part is also linoone imo
    23:28 Molk dittocrow would have a fit if i moved basculin lol
    23:28 Texas linoone doesnt satisfy C imo
    23:28 *** Redew left #rarelyused
    23:28 Texas Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the RU metagame
    23:28 Texas i disagree for noone
    23:29 Texas the others are definitely not C though
    23:29 Texas and that needs to be more balanced between D and C
    23:29 Molk the definitions really need to be updated
    23:29 Molk js
    23:29 Texas altaria should be low C imo
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    23:30 Molk and tbh i really think exeggutor deserves C
    23:31 Texas Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the RU metagame, but are decent enough to justify their use on some teams
    23:31 Texas eggy right thur
    23:31 Molk but
    23:31 Texas Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the RU metagame
    23:31 Texas not eggy right thur
    23:31 Molk exeggutor isnt medicore

    good discussion imo
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    Yeah, I think Hitmonchan should be C rank - I know I've been saying its Rapid Spin sets suck in the past (and they still do) but I've always overlooked its offensive sets, which are actually pretty decent. It has strong coverage moves, a strong priority move, and it still hits hard with its STAB moves.

    Linoone I haven't seen in ages, but it seems hard to set up, and yet disappointingly easy to stop. There are too many bulky pokemon, hard hitting Pokemon, and Pokemon that do both for Linoone to do anything anymore, and it seems D-Rank to me to an extent. Kinda shameful for a Pokemon that was at one point close to being RU, but Linoone doesn't cut it anymore.

    idk about the others but Basculin looks really niche compared to other Water-types that can actually set up, Golem is extremely niche with Rhydon (and Crustle) running around, Vanilluxe has a small niche with Glaceon giving it loads of competition, but Exeggutor seems to be able to actually do a lot of stuff. Maybe it doesn't do its roles excellently but Low or Mid C seems better for Eggy than D-Rank because it can be a pain at times, and it hits like a truck or walls for a while (which by definition is better than D-Rank). I don't find it to be mediocre, although it isn't that good.
  16. Texas Cloverleaf

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    Yeah Eggy is fine in C in retrospect, all other changes though i stand behind
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    As i mentioned in the irc discussion i can go along with Hitmonchan being moved up to C rank, its really been the odd one out in D rank for a while imo, and while it recieves some competition from the other Fighting-types and Rapid Spinners (to the point where idk why i'd use Rapid Spin Hitmonchan). Its perks such as Iron Fist Mach Punch and Drain Punch, the ability to hit Slowking hard with a powerful Life Orb boosted Iron Fist Thunderpunch, and possibly even the ability to use agility (Silentverse likes this). Make putting it in C rank pretty justified, i'm not sure where i'd put Hitmonchan in C rank, but unless someone else opposes to promoting it with a solid argument i'm putting it in C for sure.

    As for the other Pokemon, i'm going to agree with swamp-rocket that Exeggutor shouldnt be anywhere near D rank, its a pretty powerful and versatile Pokemon in RU, capable of running multiple sets such as Sunny Day, Offensive Trick Room, Choice Specs, and Lumrest with ease, unlike other special attacking Grass-types, Exeggutor doesnt have any trouble with Amoonguss or Roselia at all, just blowing past them with a STAB psychic coming off of a base 125 Special Attack stat (one of the highest special attack stats in RU actually). Not to mention Sleep Powder's an excellent move to have, giving Exeggutor a reliable way to at least temporarily dispose of one Pokemon per match even if it doesnt accomplish anything else, i dont see any reason to demote Exeggutor at the moment.

    As for Pokemon such as Linoone, Ice Cream etc. i could see moving some of them down to D rank, but i dont think all of them really deserve to be demoted, some of them such as Vanilluxe and Basculin fit better in Low C imo, but we'll see.
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    I would like to Move druddigon up to top S-Rank. Druddigon is amazing in the current RU metagame. Thanks to his massive attack, he can destroy the entire tier with physical attacks. Mixed druddigon is very good at luring walls, as all of the physical walls get 2HKO'd by flamethrower bar quilfish. Druddigon also has SR and dragon tail, meaning that a defensive set isn't out of the question.

    I also would like to demote cinncino to top B-Rank. Cinncino is by no means bad, but the matagame became unkind to it with the loss of nidoqueen. Nidoqueen often checked almost every steel type and steel types have improved drastically with her departure, meaning that escalavier and steelix can switch in for free. Cinccino also is screwed over by ghost types, who can will-o-wisp her, leaving her crippled for the rest of the match.
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    I completely bsvk Druddigon for top S rank. It is an amazing pokemon, sporting great bulk, 120 atk, and a top notch movepool. It can run a variety of sets, like the scary CB set that smashes everything, the support set that has access to Rocks, Dragon Tail, and a paralysis move. It can also run a RestTalk set, and all of these share an amazing bulkiness, and great typing that resists Grass, Water, etc. Two great abilities further help this dragon, with Rough Skin to deal passive damage and Mold Breaker to bypass irritating abilities. This is easily a top S rank poke, and should be promoted.
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    I know that cbt is going to shout at me on irc for this, but would quagsire going up to low, possibly mid B be unreasonable?

    Quagsire has such good defensive typing for RU it's not funny, and the defense and HP stats it possesses are just amazing. It takes out a LOT of physical threats in RU, minus, like, gallade. Couple it with a special wall and you have a great core right there. The amount of physical attackers in RU really help quagsire, since if you manage to dispatch the 2 special attackers on your opponent's team (and gallade if he has it) then quagsire can just stand there with his derpy face walling the opponents.
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    Hi, I'm proposing moving Jynx upwards, to what tier I'm not sure, but it is definitely more qualified for a higher ranking. Jynx, the queen of hail, is fairly dangerous with a 120 base power stab move under it's belt (blizzard), which has 100% accuracy under hail. Jynx 2HKOs everything notable in the tier (with stealth rock) except THE MIGHTY METANG and Escavalier (if you're not using HP Fire)​
    Jynx, unlike it's fellow Hail comrades, can function well enough outside of hail, using Ice Beam over Blizzard. Despite this, it's a lot better on hail (which is already great in RU.) It also gets the lovely (lol) Lovely Kiss, which is a (as reliable as you're gonna get) sleep move, which makes it even more dangerous than before. You could run Nasty Plot as a nice boosting move but I've found it's not necessary as Jynx already 2HKO's most of the tier. Absorbing water moves such as Aqua Jet is a plus, making her an amazing check to Kabutops, non DD Gatr, and Omastar.​
    Jynx is also the fastest Blizzspammer, outside of scarfers such as Rotom-F and the Mighty Walrein, but isn't held down by being locked to blizzard, which would lose to Escavalier and other mons.​

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    Sandslash

    I nominate Sandslash for A-tier.

    It's a really solid spinner that has been getting a lot of use now that people realize how good it is.

    Versatile, being able to run either a defensive or offensive set and getting it's spinning job done. And even on a defensive set, if it runs SD, it can still pretty easily 2HKO most anti-spinner, without much issue.

    It's defensive set walls a lot of common Physical pokemon, such as Aero, Druddigon, Absol, Drapion, Evire, Aggron, and Durant, and threaten to kill almost all of them with a Stone Edge or Earthquake, or widdle down with Toxic.

    It's offensive set is usually still bulky, and I believe the more preferred of the two sets. With Mixed EVs in HP, ATK, and DEF, it can wall things almost just as well. Coming in a physical wall and SDing with a Lum berry, it can take a burn or a sleep and still deal good damage to whatever was trying to status him.

    Overall he's a very good pokemon for RU, and I'd even go as far to say as the second best spinner behind Kabutops, but even then there's reasons to pick Slash over him on teams.
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    Sandslash in A is wrong. Sandslash is pretty bad in this metagame.

    Anyways I would like to propose Articuno be placed into the D Rank. Articuno simply has nothing going for it. Slowking either roasts it with fire blast, tricks it specs, or thunder waves it. While articuno... uses ice beam. How does it do against other top pokemon? Uxie sets up stealth rock for it to switch in on. Escavalier rocks it with an iron head. Durant actually sets up on defensive articuno. Moltres roasts is with fire blast and sceptile nails it with HP rock, if some prior damage is taken. As an ice type it is totally outclassed by everything, like freaking regice. The horrible typing, 4X rock weakness, unimpressive SpA do not warrant it any usage. Any steel type switching in for free and any fire type beating it just don't make it good at all.
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    Added this to the rules: Only nominate viable Pokemon. We are not going to put every legal Pokemon in RU on the list. There is no reason to put stuff that no one will ever use, such as Banette or something. So if you think there is absolutely no reason to use something because it is terrible or completely outclassed, don't post it!

    Also @Zygon: Sandslash is not a good spinner at all. It loses to almost all of the common spinblockers and the Pokemon you listed aren't that important to wall. Druddigon and Durant deal massive damage to it while Sandslash can't do much back, and Aerodactyl, Drapion, and Electivire are all uncommon. I guess it can check stuff like Absol and Aggron but there are better Pokemon for that like Poliwrath. Sandslash does not do very well in RU and is definitely not a solid spinner.
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    Sandslash is really, really bad. It should not go any higher than C-Rank, and I'd argue even E-Rank for it and here's why:

    1. It can't spin reliably whatsoever. Sandslash is hard pressed to ever find a chance to spin. Most spinblockers will hardblock him and most hazard setters themselves have ways to beat him. Qwilfish, Scolipede, and Roselia can spam Waterfall, Megahorn, and Giga Drain to beat him one on one, then just set up their Spikes again. Mesprit herself can crush Sandslash with Psychic or Ice Beam. Golurk prevents Sandslash from spinning and he can wear him down with repeated Earthquakes.
    2. It's typing is not very good defensively. I guess it resists Stealth Rock, but it makes it beaten shit on by a lot of common threats in the tier. Sceptile, Omastar, Glaceon (yeah Hail makes Sandslash an even greater liability), Slowking, and well, do I need to go down the whole list?
    3. It's not even that bulky. A vast majority of strong physical attackers still 2HKO it. Absol's SD boosted Night Slash is a 2HKO. Aggron scores a clean 2HKO with Heavy Slam / Aqua Tail as well. Just about anything can 2HKO Sandslash. I think you should get it now.
    4. It's frail on the special side. This is a pain. Sandslash is unable to take most neutral special attacks in the tier, and special attackers are big and plentiful, so Sandslash will usually be a hindrance to the team.

    When it comes to spinning, I'd rather go for Cryogonal, Kabutops, or the Hitmons, all of who have overall better utility, and have actual bulk / attacking prowess. They all have their flaws but I'd say Sandslash is the worst of the lot. Sandslash is perfectly fine in the C-Rank, and is Low C overall.

    You're looking at Articuno's bad set. It's C-Rank not for its shitty defensive set, but rather its offensive set. Two solid STAB moves in Ice Beam and Hurricane, along with reliable recovery in Roost, make it a solid offensive threat in RU. Articuno can put some real hurt on the opposition with Ice Beam and Hurricane off of a decent 95 Special Attack. It can hit rather hard and can put some holes in teams. Articuno has flaws in massive SR weakness and rival in Moltres, but thanks to its solid power and bulk to stand out, it's a pretty solid C-Rank, and a High C-Rank too.

    Anyways...

    Dusknoir needs to be dropped into E-Rank. The fact that it shows up in Team Preview is an immediate sign of a bad player and it does not do its job very well at all. Not to mention there's absolutely zero reason to use Noir over any Ghost-type available.

    And one last thing...

    This is from the OP. You may want to fix this.

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