Okay its been 2 days and ive noticed that discussion dies down a bit here, so im going to make a few changes to the ranks, going back to the old proposed changes, here are the results! Note that some changes werent discussed at all and are therefore still in the proposed changes stage! Crustle STAYS B rank Drapion UP from A rank to S rank (lots of support on this guy, but there were a few people on irc who thought A was just fine, if you have the time, feel free to post your reasoning here!). Hitmonlee DOWN from A rank to C rank Jynx STAYS A rank (still a proposed change) Zangoose STAYS A rank (still a proposed change, though) Quagsire STAYS C rank (pretty much everyone agreed that its mostly outclassed by wrath, and i honestly havent ever seen a good team with quaggy when i wouldnt have wanted to use wrath) Emboar UP from C rank to B rank (emboar was discussed quite a bit on irc, and the general consensus was that emboar has some cool perks over the other fires like fighting STAB, a lack of a rocks weakness, and being a slightly more reliable switch into escavalier thanks to the 4x bug resist. I also used emboar a bit myself and was impressed). Durant STAYS A rank (still a proposed change i guess, NewBreed brings up a good point, also, i havent really played against enough durant to make a good judgement myself, d_c also suggested i stop moving cress and durant until we have official votes on them! Along with the new changes, here are a few new proposed changes! Dusknoir DOWN from D rank to E rank Aerodactyl UP from B rank to A rank Escavalier UP from A rank to S rank Mandibuzz UP from D rank to C rank Pineco UP from Untested Rank to D rank Basculin UP from Untested Rank to B rank Jynx DOWN from A rank to B rank Zangoose DOWN from A rank to B rank Added Kangaskhan to Untested Rank Two changes that werent discussed much, if it all are still being left as proposed changes, all the official changes that were made can be vetoed if enough people disagree! I have to go soon so im going to have to make this post a little shorter than some of my others, but i personally agree with esca moving up, and strongly disagree with zangoose moving down. Im a big troll pineco fan so im glad to see someone supporting that gimmick for something other than E! I have also heard good things about Basculin, but i have never tested it myself. I added Kangaskhan to the untested list as well! Kangaskhan has good overall stats and its banded double edge is a force to be reckoned with, Kangaskhan also comes along with the rare ability scrappy, meaning it can just charge through pokemon like spiritomb and rotom without much trouble. Kangaskhan is also bulky enough to take a few stray hits, worth at least C rank in RU imo =). One more thing i would like to mention! Im starting to think S rank is getting a little bit too crowded, usually S rank is just reserved for the best of the best, but its sort of hard to believe that every single one of the S rank pokemon is a cut above even the A rank mons. Someone mentioned rotom-C might be more fitting for A, thoughts?