Im going to make two official changes and add some proposed changes to the proposed change list now!
these are the new official changes:
Cresselia UP from Untested Rank to S rank
Durant UP from Untested rank to A rank
I agree with spuds4ever about durant moving up one more stage to S rank, but ill put that in proposed changes for now. I dont think anyone will disagree on moving Cress straight to S, because well, its cress lol. My reasoning for Durant moving up to S rank is its near complete lack of a hard counter, previous BL2 status, incredible speed tier, good typing to take priority, and the highest immediate attack stat in the game, simple as that. Tbh, the only flaws durant has as a pokemon are missing and its mediocre special defense, its an incredible, maybe even overpowering sweeper, and now that it can break through its old counters and checks cress, i think S is appropriate.
Im also adding the new proposed changes to the discussion, with the old proposed changes still up for discussion, this is the list!
Crustle UP from B rank to A rank
Drapion UP from A rank to S rank
Hitmonlee DOWN from A rank to either B rank or C rank
Jynx DOWN from A rank to B rank
Zangoose DOWN from A rank to B rank
Quagsire UP from C rank to B rank
Emboar UP from C rank to B rank
Durant UP from A rank to S rank (my own proposed change).
I actually disagree with two of these new proposed changes, namely the ones on Quagsire and Zangoose. Honko hit the nail on the head on quagsire, but ill repeat what he said because i can. Quagsire is almost completely outclassed by poliwrath, only really having recover over it thanks to Poliwrath's circle throw making sure nothing can set up on it. I really dont understand why Quagsire is Ru tbh, i have never seen a good RU team using it when Poliwrath wouldnt be better, and if you mention curse, i will say that it is a shitty as fuck set that is STILL outclassed by poliwrath thanks to bulk up, lol. Quagsire is also much easier to switch in on than poliwrath, because with prediction wrath can circle throw its checks as they come in, building up residual damage, and softening up the opponents team for a late game sweep with one of your other teammates.
Zangoose has been a complete and total badass every time ive tried him out, and i really dont think he needs to set up at all to do some major damage. In fact, my favorite set is just a little 4 attacks set featuring quick attack as a countermeasure to some faster pokemon and Absol's sucker punch. Sure zangoose can set up swords dance and be a complete monster afterwards, but it doesnt need to set up to do its job. There are many other pokemon in A rank or even S rank that suffer from a weakness to residual damage. Take Entei, for example, its weak to Stealth Rock, and its best STAB move does quite a lot of recoil, if your using Life Orb Entei the residual damage just worsens, and you have a reasonably bulky pokemon dying within 3 turns or so thanks to that ;_;. Things like Magmortar, Moltres (Lol, like every fire type), and Swellow encounter similar problems, so if those are still staying A/S rank, i dont see why zangoose cant, in fact, even with my previous success with him, i would rather move Swellow down to B rank than zangoose thanks to its coverage issues.
Anyways, discuss!