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The Trial of the King Killers [Anti-Metagame Defensive "Tier List"] Update: T11 Done!

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Katakiri, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. scwizard


    Nov 4, 2007
    I wouldn't consider Amoonguss a volt turn counter, because of the reasons you mention concerning Scizor.

    Defensive Salamence makes me wince. I'm not comfortable with the idea of it, but I will admit you make a point.

    Zapdos is only the only perfectly hard volt turn counter in my opinion, and I think the specially defensive set is worth looking into for OU.

    Yeah when I read "salamence" at first I didn't think of a defensive set, which threw me off.

    It's because personally I run a hyper offensive moxie Salamence. Scizor won't stop that thing from sweeping usually, but I guess in a way I can't switch it into anything.
  2. Tetrinity


    May 9, 2010
    Yeah, Salamence is surprisingly versatile. The lack of power in WishMence compared to other sets can be a bummer at times, but he makes up for it by being an extremely reliable defensive pivot and team supporter. Dragon Tail makes for some nice shenanigans against Volt-Turn too.
  3. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!
    is a Smogon Social Media Contributor Alumnus

    Jul 24, 2010
    Yeah thing is most Dragonite aren't CB, and the nice thing about that situation you just put forward is that Slowbro has Regenerator, so if it turns out to be a CB set you can always just switch right out, recover at least half the health you lost, and go to a steel type to absorb the rest of the attack. Nothing else is going to do that damage, so even with CB nite you're still kind of screwed against Slowbro.

    Of course this isn't taking into account the much less common Mixed sets which can obliterate slowbro with Draco Meteor and Thunder, but no one uses those outside of rain except me anyway for some reason, and Thunder/Hurricane Nite has a completely different set of counters anyway.

    Well it wasn't considering a specific set persay, so much as its coverage options. It can run stuff like Power Whip, Fire Blast, Ice Beam, etc. that you usually wouldn't see on a conventional Lickilicky set. I'm not sure how feasible it would be to actually run a utitlity counter set on Lickilicky, but it might be worth a shot after seeing these calculations.
  4. Cipher Admin Lovrina

    Cipher Admin Lovrina

    Jun 10, 2008
    Haze Milotic has its uses, too. Remember, always Recover on Volt-Turn!
  5. Garganator


    Jul 27, 2008
    Actually A ranking for Hitmontop is something nice to see. Taking into account how valuable Rapid Spinners are (still there are not that many of them) and how full stall teams are less common because of the lack of truly effective spin blockers in this meta (and when I use Jellicent most of time as a ghost type in stall/semi-stall teams I feel it's lacking for me especially against Starmie), I think that Intimidate Hitmontop (I assume this ranking counts Intimidate in ?) is something worth to consider as those calcs prove that he can do something else then 'counter TTar' too and actually he can spin easier then in the past.

    And honestly I'm surprised to see... Shelgon so high. Yes, even if counting Eviolite I never ever expected to see it at B ranking. I think I need to run calcs (unless someone is bored enough to do it now ?) and see how it looks as honestly I love to see and use usable gimmicks, which actually can work. And about Poliwrath - I used it in the past in OU, so I'm happy to see it get some good attention.

    Oh... how could I miss that LickyLicky ? So high, but when you look at his natural bulk it's not THAT surprising though.
  6. Katakiri

    Katakiri Listen, Brendan...
    is a Pokemon Researcher

    Jun 11, 2010
    This thread is set for a massive overhaul or a completely new version once the BW2 meta settles in and the new BW2 sets get put on-site but until that happens this project has been halted.
  7. Skore


    Apr 24, 2011
    People need to use Yawn more on Slowbro. A good yawn can take care of all your dragon problems.
  8. WinstonShnozwick


    Jul 13, 2011
    Fucking awesome. I love this. My two faves;

    Milotic. One of my fave pokemon, this thing is amazing. My set is resttalk + dragonbreath/scald. Great coverage, status, and bulk/recovery with marvel scale. It's a true nightmare to stop. Get's around 340 for both defensive stats when marvel scale is asleep.

    Empoleon hell yeah. Used him as the special wall on my OU team months ago before I quit OU, and he was amazing.

    edit: Defensive is nice, but what if I want to kill the top tier with offense? Will there be an Anti-Metagame Offensive" list? Kind of like how rotom c stops rotom w

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