Exactly my point. Prediction goes both ways so you can't just say HP Fire 2HKOs and call it a day. (besides the point now but whatevs) I listed quite a few mons already that Skarmory can Spike on. (that was again just S to A rank) There's only like 2-4ish from that list that Skarmer isn't in a position to click Spikes. Avoid mon comparisons, we'll address their placement individually. X vs Y doesn't get us anywhere besides proving that they aren't the same thing. (I'm greedy and want Chomp to outspeed Arceus ;-; ) I've not forgotten about Dialga. Edit: So for Dialga I'm going to use the definitions again to share my opinion on it but this time move forwards. When it comes to offense Dialga isn't lacking. Although he may not be the first thing that comes to mind when you think of something that sweeps a team, that's not the only form of offense. Choice Specs Dialga (the prime example that I'm going to focus on) is one of the most dangerous wall breakers in the metagame which should definitely count for something. Although 150 SpAtk Specs Dragon STAB isn't exactly unique, his wide coverage options and excellent typing limits the number safe switch-ins and easily buys him the free turns to punch holes while resisting the wear and tear of active play. Not going to go into much more detail because sets like Choice Specs really sell Dialga in the offensive department, what ironically concerns me is the defensive capabilities. As great as Dialga's typing is, he just lacks the raw bulk/recovery to be a lasting threat. He does at least have a viable RestTalk set but with only 100/120/100 (with the typing geared towards tanking special attacks) you can't really use it other than as a stall breaker. Being a one/two time check to things is kinda lame. However, Dialga is one of those few things that can blindly switch into Palkia and check it no matter move it clicks which is definitely big. As a general tank he can check all sorts of things that makes him really valuable for a team. If offensive capability isn't only sweeping is defensive capability only walling? I want to say that the same comparison between applying prolonged offensive pressure and being able to reapply instant, massive offensive pressure isn't the same thing as taking a hit once versus taking a hit multiple times. At least Dialga is very diverse and can fit a lot of different roles designed for different teams. There's no real opportunity cost to using him and he definitely doesn't require support. Although, he doesn't give THAT much utility to a team besides Stealth Rock but he is very good at setting it. Overall, I'm again on the high A rank side of the fence but I would actually be more willing to stick Dialga in S rank than Groudon.