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Thundurus (Analysis)

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  1. Cybertron

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    Thundurus

    [Overview]

    <p>Thundurus was one of the most dominant Pokemon in VGC '11 and is still just as strong in VGC '12. Thundurus is one of the only two Pokemon who have access to a priority Rain Dance because of its ability, Prankster. With a movepool consisting of Thunder, Hidden Power Flying, Thunder Wave, Rain Dance, and several others, Thundurus can function as a sweeper or a supporter for teams.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard Support
    move 1: Thunderbolt
    move 2: Hidden Power Flying / Hidden Power Ice
    move 3: Thunder Wave
    move 4: Substitute / Protect
    item: Charti Berry / Yache Berry
    nature: Timid
    ability: Prankster
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most straightforward and effective set for Thundurus. Thundurus' primary offensive potential comes from its STAB Thunderbolt, dishing out consistent damage every turn. Both Hidden Power Flying and Hidden Power Ice have their uses, depending on how well your other teammates deal with threats. Hidden Power Flying allows Thundurus to hit Pokemon such as Hitmontop, Ludicolo, and Toxicroak for a large amount of damage but leaves it walled against Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Landorus. Hidden Power Ice covers several different threats such as Landorus, Garchomp, and Salamence but loses coverage against Fighting types. The choice between Hidden Power Ice and Flying is dependent on how well Thundurus' teammates can support it. Because of Prankster, Thundurus is able to abuse Thunder Wave and paralyze threats before they have a chance to attack. The toss-up between Substitute and Protect is once again off user preference and playstyle, and both have their strengths and weaknesses.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In order for maximum power and speed, this set runs 252 Special Attack and Speed EVs. Thundurus wants to hit as hard as possible along with disrupting your opponent enough with Thunder Wave for strong sweepers to finish off the foe late game. Since this Thundurus does not carry Rain Dance, a Charti Berry can be considered to counter the common Rock Slide, although a Yache Berry is an alternative.</p>

    <p>Thundurus has a variety of teammates that it works well with. As Thundurus's main role is to cripple your opponent while still doing as much damage as possible, he can easily fit into any team. He is great alongside Garchomp, immune to Garchomp's Earthquake and able to paralyze anything faster than it. Hitmontop also has great synergy with Thundurus, able to provide Intimidate support as well as KOing counters to Thundurus such as Tyranitar.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance Support
    move 1: Thunder
    move 2: Rain Dance / Thunder Wave
    move 3: Hidden Power Flying
    move 4: Substitute / Protect
    item: Yache Berry / Electric Gem
    ability: Prankster
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most straightforward and effective set for any Rain Dance team. Thunder, although a risky move to use outside of rain, is necessary because of its sheer power. With Prankster, Thunder Wave is a superb support move, able to paralyze threats such as opposing Swift Swim Pokemon. However, Rain Dance may also want to be considered because rain is too important not to have up at all times. Hidden Power Flying hits several common threats for a large amount of damagenamely Ludicolo, Toxicroak, Abomasnow, and Hitmontop. Lastly, Substitute and Protect are both viable options based off one's play style and team. With Prankster, Thundurus can always set up a Substitute before the opponent is able to attack. Having access to a priority Substitute is excellent. For example, against Dragon Gem-boosted Draco Meteors, a Substitute not only wastes their Gem but also decreases their Special Attack due to Draco Meteor's secondary effect. When timed correctly, Thundurus can set up a free Substitute, making it harder for it to be killed. For example, with a partner that knows Fake Out, double Protecting is common in order to negate the Fake Out. This allows Thundurus to set up a free Substitute, allowing it to spam attacking moves or Thunder Wave. However, for those that do not like the 25% HP loss along with the prediction that comes with Substitute, Protect is a safer alternative. It is a rather straightforward move, but cannot be used every turn like Substitute without taking a risk.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>What sets Thundurus apart from other Electric Pokemon such as Zapdos, Raikou, Rotom-W, and Jolteon on Rain teams is its unique typing and ability along with superb Speed. Thundurus is immune to Earthquake, which single-handedly makes it better than most other Electric types. Thundurus also gets access to Prankster, Thunder Wave, and Rain Dance—a combination not found on any other Pokemon. Along with an excellent Special Attack stat, Thundurus is able to outspeed several threats and damage them severely. In order to take advantage of Thundurus's stellar Speed, a Timid nature with 252 Speed EVs is recommended. This allows Thundurus to outspeed common threats such as Garchomp and Terrakion and avoid being flinched by Rock Slide while dishing out powerful Thunders.</p>

    <p>As this Thundurus is built for a Rain Dance team, common partners include Politoed, Ludicolo, Kingdra, and Toxicroak. Leading with Thundurus and a Pokemon with Fake Out is a very viable strategy against teams who also have the ability to control weather. This allows for several options depending on your opponent's leads. For example, should they lead with a Pokemon that sets up weather, a simple switch into Politoed not only gives you weather control but forces your opponent to switch out. If they don't lead with a Pokemon that sets up weather, there is a variety of options, including spamming Thunder Wave and slowly crippling your opponent's team. As a turn 1 Fake Out is a nuisance to many players, they often opt to use Protect on both of their Pokemon. This allows Thundurus to use Rain Dance, set up a Substitute, or even switch out.</p>

    <p>An alternative EV spread for Thundurus on a Rain Dance team is 252 HP / 248 SpA / 8 Spe with a Modest nature. Although this reduces Thundurus's Speed, it provides excellent bulk and allows it to survive almost any attack.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Thundurus also has access to several other helpful moves such as Discharge, Psychic, Grass Knot, Focus Blast, Embargo, and Swagger. Discharge can be very helpful with a partner that is immune to Electric-type attacks, such as Garchomp. With a 30% chance of inflicting paralysis, there is a 51% chance that at least one of the two opposing Pokemon will be paralyzed if both are hit. It can even be used with an Electric Gem to hit for massive amounts of damage. However, because Discharge hits everyone on the field, Thundurus's partner has to be able to resist it or elserisk getting paralyzed. Psychic can be used to hit Fighting-types for more damage, but loses the ability to hit Grass-types for super effective damage unlike Hidden Power Flying. Grass Knot can be used to hit Gastrodon and the less common Swampert, who wall Thundurus. Focus Blast allows Thundurus to hit Tyranitar, but is risky because of its low accuracy. Embargo is also an alternative, often catching people off-guard and disabling their items. However, it must be used correctly because Thundurus often does not last longer than two turns onthe field. Swagger can also be considered, allowing the opponent to hit only 50% of the time. In conjunction with Substitute, it can be used to not only stall out Trick Room but also to slowly cause damage via confusion. However, because of confusion's unpredictability, it is risky to use effectively.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Thundurus has major problems against Pokemon that resist its attacking moves, regardless of what set one is running. Tyranitar is one of the largest problems Thundurus faces. It resists both Thunder and Hidden Power Flying and can hit back hard with Rock Slide that is guaranteed to KO after Sandstorm damage. Gastrodon and Swampert also cause Thundurus problems bar a surprise Grass Knot. Because of their bulk and immunity to Electric-type attacks, there is not much Thundurus can do against them, forcing Thundurus to switch in order to stay alive. Garchomp, although weak to Hidden Power Ice, often carries a Yache Berry and can hit Thundurus hard with Rock Slide.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Thundurus receives Defiant as its Hidden Ability. Since Thundurus only uses Special Attacks and has access to several important priority moves with Prankster, Defiant should not even be considered.</p>
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    You're wasting 8 EVs on the first set. if thinking of 31/31/31/30/30/30 for HP Flying, you are wasting 4 EVs in both SpA and Spe. Use 252 HP / 248 SpA / 8 Spe. if thinking 30/30/30/30/30/31, you are wasting 4 EVs in both HP and SpA. User 248 HP / 248 SpA / 4 Spe, and you can put 8 EVs in Spe, SpD, or Def to raise any one of them.
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    Thunderbolt > Thunder even as Rain support. Thunder can work instead of Thunder Wave because if you're playing against anyone decent they will ruin Thunder's chances of hitting.

    Secondly, if bulky you don't invest nearly that much in Special Attack, it doesn't help you survive anything. A better EV spread might be this 196 HP / 248 SpD / 64 SpA Calm Nature. This lets you survive Latios' Dragon Gem Draco Meteor and continue to support your team with Thunder Wave and Rain Dance. Item now that you'll be specially defensive would be either Charti Berry or Sitrus Berry and potentially Enigma Berry if someone knows for sure if it can activate while you have a Substitute up or not.
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    I could well be very, very wrong, but afaik Enigma is not available in gen 5.

    EDIT: OK, did not take the time to look through events; should have
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    enigma is released by darkrai event in japan iirc, dont post stuff until he is finished with the skeleton

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    Got around to finishing him up, now open to suggestions/constructive criticism/etc.
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    I feel that Swagger needs to be mentioned somewhere; I've had success with it in the past (if you count D/C's as successes) to screw over Trick Room and pull out a hax victory. I think I had one battle with it I was down 1-4 and pulled it out because of Swagger+Substitute. Definitely not for the unlucky, but worth a mention.
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    Sure, I'll put that over in OO. Never heard of that one before but if it works, it certainly deserves to be listed. Thanks!
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    slash e gem on the first set and change the EVs on the first set to either timid 188 evs or timid 236 evs to beat jolly garchomp or +spe ponies. reason to use it in the rain is comapring it to zapdos / raikou / rotom-w / jolteon. thundurus has speed and is immune to ground, it wouldnt make sense not using both qualities. after these changes qc 1 / 2, well done :D
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    Edited everything thanks to muffinhead, ty!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Thundurus was one of the most dominant Pokemon in VGC '11 and is still just as strong in VGC '12. Thundurus is one of the only two Pokemon who have access to a priority Rain Dance because of it its ability, (comma) Prankster. With a move pool consisting of Thunder, Hidden Power Flying, Thunder Wave, Rain Dance, and several others, Thundurus can function as a both assist as a sweeper or and a supporter for teams.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance Support
    move 1: Thunder
    move 2: Thunder Wave / Rain Dance
    move 3: Hidden Power Flying
    move 4: Substitute / Protect
    item: Yache Berry / Electric Gem
    ability: Prankster
    nature: Timid
    evs: 20 HP / 252 SpA / 236 Speed

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most straightforward and effective set for any Rain Dance team. Thunder, although a risky move to use outside of rain, is necessary because of its sheer power. With Prankster, Thunder Wave is a superb support move, able to paralyze threats such as opposing Swift Swim Pokemon. However, Rain Dance may also want to be considered because rain is too important not to have up at all times. Hidden Power Flying hits several common threats for a large amount of damage— (em dash, no spaces between), (remove comma) namely Ludicolo, Toxicroak, Abomasnow, and Hitmontop. Lastly, Substitute and Protect are both viable options based off one's play style and team. With Prankster, Thundurus can always set up a Substitute before the opposing side is able to attack. Having access to a priority Substitute is excellent. For example, against Dragon Gem-boosted Draco Meteors Dragon Gem'd Draco Meteors, a Substitute not only wastes their Gem but also decreases their Special Attack due to Draco Meteor's secondary effect. When timed correctly, Thundurus can set up a free Substitute, making it harder for it to be killed. For example, with a partnerthat knows Fake Out, double Protecting is common in order to negate the Fake Out. This allows for Thundurus to set up a free Substitute, now allowing it to spam attacking moves or Thunder Wave. However, for those that do not like the 25% HP loss damage along with the prediction that comes with Substitute, Protect is a safer alternative. It is a rather straightforward move, but cannot be used every turn like Substitute without taking a risk.remove space - this applies for the rest of the analyses as well. There is no space between the paragraph tags and the period at the end.</p>

    (Why is this set named "Rain Dance Support" if Rain Dance isn't the primary slash???)

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>What sets Thundurus apart from other Electric Pokemon such as Zapdos, Raikou, Rotom-W, and Jolteon on Rain teams is its a unique typing and ability along with superb Speed. Thundurus is immune to Earthquake, which single-handedly makes it better than most other destroys Raikou and Jolteon along with other Electric types. Thundurus also gets access to Prankster, Thunder Wave, and Rain Dance— (em dash, no spaces between) , a combination not found on any other Pokemon. Along with an excellent Special Attack stat, Thundurus is able to outspeed several threats and damage them severely. In order to take advantage of Thundurus's stellar Speed, a Timid nature with 236 Speed EVs is recommended. This allows Thundurus to outspeed common threats such as Garchomp and Terrakion and avoid being flinched by Rock Slide while dishing out powerful Thunders.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard Support
    move 1: Thunderbolt
    move 2: Hidden Power Flying / Hidden Power Ice
    move 3: Thunder Wave
    move 4: Substitute / Protect
    item: Charti Berry / Yache Berry
    nature: Timid
    ability: Prankster
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most straightforward and effective set for Thundurus (then why is it second???). Thundurus' primary offensive potential comes from its STAB Thunderbolt, dishing out consistent damage every turn. Both Hidden Power Flying and Hidden Power Ice have their uses, depending on how well your other teammates deal with threats. For example, Hidden Power Flying allows Thundurus to hit Pokemon such as Hitmontop, Ludicolo, and Toxicroak for a large amount of damage but leaves it useless against Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Landorus. Hidden Power Ice covers several different threats such as Landorus, Garchomp, and Salamence (but makes it vulnerable to...). Because of Prankster, Thundurus is able to abuse Thunder Wave and paralyze threats before they have a chance to attack. The toss-(dash, no spaces)up between Substitute and Protect is once again off user's preferences and play- (remove dash)styles, and both have their strengths and weaknesses.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In order for maximum strength and speed, this set runs 252 Special Attack and Speed EVs. Thundurus wants to hit as hard as possible along with disrupting your opponent enough with Thunder Wave for strong sweepers to finish off late game. Since this Thundurus does not carry Rain Dance, a Charti Berry can be considered to counter the common Rock Slide, although a Yache Berry is an alternative.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>An alternative EV spread for a Thundurus on a Rain Dance team can be 252 HP / 248 SpA / 8 Spe, with a Modest nature. Although this reduces Thundurus' Speed, it provides excellent bulk and allows it him to survive almost any attack.</p>

    <p>Thundurus also has access to several other helpful moves such as Discharge, Psychic, Grass Knot, Focus Blast, Embargo, and Swagger. Discharge can be very helpful with a partner that is immune to Electric-type attacks, such as Garchomp. With a 30% chance of inflicting paralysis paralysis rate, there is a 51% chance that at least one of the two Pokemon will be is paralyzed if both are hit. It can even be used with an Electric Gem to hit for massive amounts of damage. However, because Discharge hits everyone on the field, Thundurus's partner has to be able to resist it or else the risk of paralyzing yourself is very possible. Psychic can be used to hit Fighting-types for more damage, but loses the ability to hit Grass-types for super effective damage unlike Hidden Power Flying. Grass Knot can be used to hit Gastrodon and the less common Swampert, who wall Thundurus. Focus Blast allows Thundurus to hit Tyranitar, but is risky because of its low accuracy. Embargo is also an alternative, often catching people off-guard and disabling their items. However, it must be used correctly because Thundurus often does not last longer than two turns of the field. Swagger can also be considered, allowing the opponent to hit only for 50% of the time. In conjunction with Substitute, it can be used to not only stall out Trick Room but also to slowly create damage. However, because of confusion's unpredictability, it is risky to use effectivelyand pull off.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Thundurus has major problems against Pokemon that can resist its attacking moves, regardless of what set one is running. Tyranitar is one of the largest problems Thundurus faces. It resists both Thunder and Hidden Power Flying and can hit back hard with a Rock Slide that is guaranteed to KO after Sandstorm damage. Gastrodon and Swampert also cause Thundurus problems. Because of their bulk and immunity to Electric-type attacks, there is not much Thundurus can do against them, forcing Thundurus to switch in order to stay alive a switch in order to keep it alive. Garchomp, although 4x weak to Hidden Power Ice, often carries a Yache Berry and can hit Thundurus hard with a Rock Slide.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Thundurus receives Defiant as its Hidden Ability. Since Thundurus only uses Special Attacks and has access to several important priority moves with Prankster, Defiant should not even be considered.</p>

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    Fixed up everything Matt brought up, and put the Standard Support set first over the Rain Dance Support set. Thanks for your help :)
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    [Overview]

    <p>Thundurus was one of the most dominant Pokemon in VGC '11 and is still just as strong in VGC '12. Thundurus is one of the only two Pokemon who have access to a priority Rain Dance because of its ability, Prankster. With a movepool consisting of Thunder, Hidden Power Flying, Thunder Wave, Rain Dance, and several others, Thundurus can function as a sweeper or a supporter for teams.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard Support
    move 1: Thunderbolt
    move 2: Hidden Power Flying / Hidden Power Ice
    move 3: Thunder Wave
    move 4: Substitute / Protect
    item: Charti Berry / Yache Berry
    nature: Timid
    ability: Prankster
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most straightforward and effective set for Thundurus. Thundurus' primary offensive potential comes from its STAB Thunderbolt, dishing out consistent damage every turn. Both Hidden Power Flying and Hidden Power Ice have their uses, depending on how well your other teammates deal with threats. For example, Hidden Power Flying allows Thundurus to hit Pokemon such as Hitmontop, Ludicolo, and Toxicroak for a large amount of damage but leaves it useless walled against Pokemon such as Tyranitar and Landorus. Hidden Power Ice covers several different threats such as Landorus, Garchomp, and Salamence but loses coverage against Fighting-types. The choice between Hidden Power Ice and Flying is dependent on how well Thundurus' teammates can support it. Because of Prankster, Thundurus is able to abuse Thunder Wave and paralyze threats before they have a chance to attack. The toss-up between Substitute and Protect is once again off user's preferences and playstyles, and both have their strengths and weaknesses.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>In order for maximum strength power and speed, this set runs 252 Special Attack and Speed EVs. Thundurus wants to hit as hard as possible along with disrupting your opponent enough with Thunder Wave for strong sweepers to finish off the foe late game. Since this Thundurus does not carry Rain Dance, a Charti Berry can be considered to counter the common Rock Slide, although a Yache Berry is an alternative.</p>

    (mention teammates in a paragraph here)

    [SET]
    name: Rain Dance Support
    move 1: Thunder
    move 2: Rain Dance / Thunder Wave (imo just remove Thunder Wave, these sets are already extremely similar)
    move 3: Hidden Power Flying
    move 4: Substitute / Protect
    item: Yache Berry / Electric Gem
    ability: Prankster
    nature: Timid
    evs: 20 HP / 252 SpA / 236 Speed

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most straightforward and effective set for any Rain Dance team. Thunder, although a risky move to use outside of rain, is necessary because of its sheer power. With Prankster, Thunder Wave is a superb support move, able to paralyze threats such as opposing Swift Swim Pokemon. However, Rain Dance may also want to be considered because rain is too important not to have up at all times. Hidden Power Flying hits several common threats for a large amount of damage—namely Ludicolo, Toxicroak, Abomasnow, and Hitmontop. Lastly, Substitute and Protect are both viable options based off one's play style and team. With Prankster, Thundurus can always set up a Substitute before the opponent sing side is able to attack. Having access to a priority Substitute is excellent. For example, against Dragon Gem-boosted Draco Meteors, a Substitute not only wastes their Gem but also decreases their Special Attack due to Draco Meteor's secondary effect. When timed correctly, Thundurus can set up a free Substitute, making it harder for it to be killed. For example, with a partner that knows Fake Out, double Protecting is common in order to negate the Fake Out. This allows for Thundurus to set up a free Substitute, now allowing it to spam attacking moves or Thunder Wave. However, for those that do not like the 25% HP loss along with the prediction that comes with Substitute, Protect is a safer alternative. It is a rather straightforward move, but cannot be used every turn like Substitute without taking a risk.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>What sets Thundurus apart from other Electric Pokemon, such as Zapdos, Raikou, Rotom-W, and Jolteon, on Rain teams is its unique typing and ability along with superb Speed. Thundurus is immune to Earthquake, which single-handedly makes it better than most other Electric types. Thundurus also gets access to Prankster, Thunder Wave, and Rain Dance—a combination not found on any other Pokemon. Along with an excellent Special Attack stat, Thundurus is able to outspeed several threats and damage them severely. In order to take advantage of Thundurus's stellar Speed, a Timid nature with 236 Speed EVs is recommended. This allows Thundurus to outspeed common threats such as Garchomp and Terrakion and avoid being flinched by Rock Slide while dishing out powerful Thunders.</p>

    (add teammates)

    [Other Options]

    <p>An alternative EV spread for a Thundurus on a Rain Dance team can be is 252 HP / 248 SpA / 8 Spe, with a Modest nature. Although this reduces Thundurus's Speed, it provides excellent bulk and allows it to survive almost any attack.</p>

    (move the above paragraph to Additional Comments)

    <p>Thundurus also has access to several other helpful moves such as Discharge, Psychic, Grass Knot, Focus Blast, Embargo, and Swagger. Discharge can be very helpful with a partner that is immune to Electric-type attacks, such as Garchomp. With a 30% chance of inflicting paralysis, there is a 51% chance that at least one of the two opposing Pokemon will be paralyzed if both are hit. It can even be used with an Electric Gem to hit for massive amounts of damage. However, because Discharge hits everyone on the field, Thundurus's partner has to be able to resist it or else the risk of getting paralyzing yourself is very possible. Psychic can be used to hit Fighting-types for more damage, but loses the ability to hit Grass-types for super effective damage unlike Hidden Power Flying. Grass Knot can be used to hit Gastrodon and the less common Swampert, who wall Thundurus. Focus Blast allows Thundurus to hit Tyranitar, but is risky because of its low accuracy. Embargo is also an alternative, often catching people off-guard and disabling their items. However, it must be used correctly because Thundurus often does not last longer than two turns on the field. Swagger can also be considered, allowing the opponent to hit only for 50% of the time. In conjunction with Substitute, it can be used to not only stall out Trick Room but also to slowly create cause damage (via?). However, because of confusion's unpredictability, it is risky to use effectively.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Thundurus has major problems against Pokemon that resist its attacking moves, regardless of what set one is running. Tyranitar is one of the largest problems Thundurus faces. It resists both Thunder and Hidden Power Flying and can hit back hard with a Rock Slide that is guaranteed to KO after Sandstorm damage. Gastrodon and Swampert also cause Thundurus problems. Because of their bulk and immunity to Electric-type attacks, there is not much Thundurus can do against them (bar a surprise Grass Knot), forcing Thundurus to switch in order to stay alive. Garchomp, although 4x weak to Hidden Power Ice, often carries a Yache Berry and can hit Thundurus hard with a Rock Slide.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Thundurus receives Defiant as its Hidden Ability. Since Thundurus only uses Special Attacks and has access to several important priority moves with Prankster, Defiant should not even be considered.</p>
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    Took most of Edward's corrections as well as adding a paragraph in each set about teammates. Thanks!
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    Does Thundurus survive anything notable with 20 HP EVs? If running that much speed why not just max it to speed tie other genies and out pace 110s.
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    I think that makes more sense, I'll change the EVs. Thanks.
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