Tier Shift Metagame

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by PureQuestion, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Nights of Days

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  2. Meru

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    Tornadus-I seems like a waste when Swanna's stats are close enough. Swanna has a way better movepool sporting Roost/Hydration Rest and a secondary Water-typing for a secondary STAB as well as more resists to abuse.
  3. TLCJR4LIFE

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    People are trying to hard to make this some sort of super equalized meta where RU/NU hybrid teams can beat an OU team.

    It's not really the case.

    This tier in all actuality..is really just BW2 OU with some new threats/walls and some old ones being left behind...like Venusaur.



    Shuckle is good in this tier if you roll Evasion with Acupressure. But in reality Acupressure should be banned under the Evasion clause.
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  5. Chaoswalker

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    Maybe I'll try out Ferroseed too. It means giving up leftovers recovery, but in exchange Ferroseed takes less damage, and has less hp meaning more leech seed recovery.

    I wonder... when the meta dust settles, will the body of useable pokemon have grown, or will there simply be a new list of 50 or so top mons for Tiershift?
  6. ElectivireRocks

    ElectivireRocks Banned deucer.

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    I beg to differ.
    Many pokemon aren't OU because their stats fall just short of the OU standard. This is especially obvious with speed on offensive pokemon.

    Also don't brag too much about your early wins; the metagame is still fresh and people are just experimenting right now.
  7. Aasgier

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    Or, like me, just using a team they have.
    I use my standard NU team in Tier Shift because I can't use it anymore in NU since Scoli dropped and even many OU threats aren't that troublesome.

    PU getting a boost would be nice. These PU mons are PU with a reason and only a few of them already have niches in Tier Shift. Offcourse, Victreebell is going to be scary, and Pikachu as well. But broken? Don't think so. Some things still care the crap out of them, and both can be walled though you need to bring something specific. Revengekilling them is actually quite easy as they are both still relatively frail.
  8. Chaoswalker

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    Some PU mons are PU because they can't get the kind of support they want from higher tiers, mostly weather.

    EDIT: Notice that Soutland only has an OU analysis, despite being NU. http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/stoutland

    I just started constructing a new team, and when I was looking for a synergy buddy for Celebi, instead of the usual Heatran I stopped and considered Probopass. Has anyone tried the mustache compass out yet? Any success?
  9. kakuna

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    This metagame is a lot of fun! I think I viability ranking thread should be constructed, even if we have no idea what is really good yet, but just to give us something to use. One blimp lots of people tend to forget about is drifblim. Golurk is pretty hyped with his bulk and attack, but drifblim is actually more bulky. Combined with 95/105/95 offenses, calm mind, unburden, wetaher ball, shadow ball, will-o-wisp, aftermath, and baton pass drifblim better amount to something in OU. Tauros is literally a god. Rock climb/earthquake/fire blast/ice beam destroys OU, and it can take a hit with 90/110/85 defenses. Plus it can run lonely because of base 125 speed!

    One RU mon that always needs more usage is rhydon. Being one of the best mons for the first two gens and now being great in balanced hackmons, it has its moments. 115/55 special bulk is decent with eviolite, and good in sand. In terms of sets support is very solid, but double dance works, even with eviolite. Denying rhydon a place on your team is something you will need to do with good reasons. With a specially defensive spread in sand specs politoed only KOes 6.25% of the time!

    CB terrakion can't OHKO uninvested rhydon (eviolite)


    I am sure rhyperior with 120/145/135/60/60/45 spread and solid rock is amazing too, but hipster!

    In general I always really liked rock types but this makes so many of them very good. Cradily with 101/96/112/96/122/58 should be able to take most hits and set up some sword dances, curses, or whatever. The choice between storm drain and suction cups makes him even better.

    Omastar will love 80/70/135/125/80/65 boosts. Shell smash can actually work in OU because enough power to eliminate rotom or whatever and enough speed to run modest cleanly. Weak armor is a pretty interesting idea for omastar to give him the +3 speed against weak stuff like U-turn.

    In theory crustle should be my favorite pokemon, but it is kind of unimpressive still.
  10. TLCJR4LIFE

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    Yes and this also bans Bright Powder, Sea Incense, Sand Veil and Snow Cloak. Not to mention Moody....although that's its own clause...it was because of Evasion.

    Nice try though.
  11. Relados

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    I gotta say, I love the boosts hail gets in tiershift. Things like Rotom-F get much better bulk to match their offense.

    Of course, Stealth Rock is still such a pain for a team that uses a number of Ice types, even with a spinner.
  12. GoldGuyXII

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    Farfetch'd makes a great suicide brave bird lead or swords dance booster now! I tested it out and did over half to most of the pokemon i encountered xP
  13. dcae

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    I've been testing out a new set, Curse Cradily, paired with Sand, and it has been a monster so far. Here is the set if you want to test it out:

    Cradily @Leftovers
    Trait: Suction Cups
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
    Nature: Careful
    -Curse
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk
    -Rock Slide

    This thing can't be roared out, only stuff like Heart Swap and Haze can screw it up. It gets a great defensive boost from Sandstorm, and with 122 SpD already, that is huge. Monoattacker, it can't be stopped by status, and no pokemon is immune to Rock Slide. It is very fun to use, and I'd advise it.
  14. Chaoswalker

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    Probopass is not bad... not bad at all. It has two 4x weaknesses, which looks bad... but it also has 10 resistances and epic bulk.

    [​IMG]
    75Hp/160Def/165SpD

    Probopass @ Leftovers
    Trait: Magnet Pull
    EVs: 252 HP / 128 SDef / 128 Def
    Bold Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Thunder Wave
    - Power Gem
    - Volt Switch

    This mixed probopass takes hits well, supports with rocks and paralysis, and keeps up momentum with volt switch. I also have wish support from Alomomola to keep it alive. Pairing it with Celebi gives similar resistance coverage as Heatran, though it's selection of abilities is not quite as interesting as fire immunity.

    Stats of another favorite defensive mon for reference:
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    74HP/131Def/116SpD
  15. TeeGeeEss

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    May or may not be useful (and there are probably still some errors), but here's a listing of everything(?) from OU to NU with adjusted TierShift base stats, ranked by BST and Speed.

    OU mons in bold.

    BST Rank (open)
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     Pokémon       HP     Atk     Def     SpA     SpD     Spe     [B]BST[/B]
    Regigigas     125     175     125      95     125     115     760
    Slaking       165     175     115     110      80     115     760
    [B]Kyurem-B      125     170     100     120      90      95     700[/B]
    Kyurem        130     135      95     135      95     100     690
    Articuno      105     100     115     110     140     100     670
    Regice         95      65     115     115     215      65     670
    Regirock       95     115     215      65     115      65     670
    Cresselia     130      80     130      85     140      95     660
    Entei         125     125      95     100      85     110     640
    Mesprit        90     115     115     115     115      90     640
    Moltres       100     110     100     135      95     100     640
    Uxie           85      85     140      85     140     105     640
    Meloetta      105      82      82     133     133      95     630
    Meloetta-P    105     133      95      82      82     133     630
    Mew           105     105     105     105     105     105     630
    Shaymin       105     105     105     105     105     105     630
    Victini       105     105     105     105     105     105     630
    Archeops       85     150      75     122      75     120     627
    Lapras        145     100      95     100     110      75     625
    Vanilluxe      86     110     100     125     110      94     625
    Charizard      93      99      93     124     100     115     624
    Walrein       125      95     105     110     105      80     620
    Samurott      110     115     100     123      85      85     618
    Serperior      90      90     110      90     110     128     618
    Flareon        80     145      75     110     125      80     615
    Glaceon        80      75     125     145     110      80     615
    Leafeon        80     125     145      75      80     110     615
    Meganium       95      97     115      98     115      95     615
    Probopass      75      70     160      90     165      55     615
    Torterra      110     124     120      90     100      71     615
    Luxray         95     135      94     110      94      85     613
    Azelf          80     130      75     130      75     120     610
    Cobalion       96      95     134      95      77     113     610
    Exeggutor     110     110     100     140      80      70     610
    Raikou         95      90      80     120     105     120     610
    Registeel      85      80     155      80     155      55     610
    Rotom-F        65      80     122     120     122     101     610
    Rotom-S        65      80     122     120     122     101     610
    Suicune       105      80     120      95     120      90     610
    Tornadus       84     120      75     130      85     116     610
    Virizion       96      95      77      95     134     113     610
    Zapdos         95      95      90     130      95     105     610
    Gardevoir      83      80      80     140     130      95     608
    Eelektross    100     130      95     120      95      65     605
    Lickilicky    125     100     110      95     110      65     605
    Braviary      115     138      90      72      90      95     600
    [B]Celebi        100     100     100     100     100     100     600
    Dragonite      91     134      95     100     100      80     600[/B]
    Electivire     85     133      77     105      95     105     600
    [B]Garchomp      108     130      95      80      85     102     600
    Heatran        91      90     106     130     106      77     600
    Hydreigon      92     105      90     125      90      98     600
    Jirachi       100     100     100     100     100     100     600
    Landorus       89     125      90     115      80     101     600
    Landorus-T     89     145      90     105      80      91     600
    Latias         80      80      90     110     130     110     600
    Latios         80      90      80     130     110     110     600[/B]
    Magmortar      85     105      77     135     105      93     600
    [B]Metagross      80     135     130      95      90      70     600
    Salamence      95     135      80     110      80     100     600
    Tyranitar     100     134     110      95     100      61     600[/B]
    Gigalith      100     150     145      75      85      40     595
    Shuckle        35      25     245      25     245      20     595
    Tangrowth     110     110     135     120      60      60     595
    Typhlosion     88      94      88     119      95     110     594
    Aggron         80     120     190      70      70      60     590
    Ampharos      105      90      90     130     105      70     590
    Feraligatr     95     115     110      89      93      88     590
    Golduck        95      97      93     110      95     100     590
    Muk           120     120      90      80     115      65     590
    Pinsir         80     140     115      70      85     100     590
    Rapidash       80     115      85      95      95     120     590
    Sceptile       80      95      75     115      95     130     590
    Ursaring      105     145      90      90      90      70     590
    Wailord       185     105      60     105      60      75     590
    Seismitoad    120     100      90     100      90      89     589
    Drifblim      165      95      59     105      69      95     588
    Emboar        120     133      75     110      75      75     588
    Simipour       90     113      78     113      78     116     588
    Simisage       90     113      78     113      78     116     588
    Simisear       90     113      78     113      78     116     588
    Zebstrika      90     115      78      95      78     131     587
    Arcanine       95     115      85     105      85     100     585
    Armaldo        90     140     115      85      95      60     585
    Bastiodon      75      67     183      62     153      45     585
    Carracosta     89     123     148      98      80      47     585
    Cradily       101      96     112      96     122      58     585
    Dusknoir       55     110     145      75     145      55     585
    Floatzel      100     120      70     100      65     130     585
    Magmar         80     110      72     115     100     108     585
    Rampardos     112     180      75      80      65      73     585
    Altaria        90      85     105      85     120      95     580
    Electabuzz     80      98      72     110     100     120     580
    Kangaskhan    120     110      95      55      95     105     580
    [B]Keldeo         91      72      90     129      90     108     580[/B]
    Klinklang      70     110     125      80      95     100     580
    Leavanny       90     118      95      85      85     107     580
    Miltank       110      95     120      55      85     115     580
    Rotom-C        60      75     117     115     117      96     580
    Stoutland     100     115     105      60     105      95     580
    Tauros         90     115     110      55      85     125     580
    [B]Terrakion      91     129      90      72      90     108     580
    Thundurus-T    79     105      70     145      80     101     580[/B]
    Weezing        80     105     135     100      85      75     580
    Gallade        78     135      75      75     125      90     578
    Musharna      131      70     100     122     110      44     577
    Aerodactyl     90     115      75      70      85     140     575
    Beartic       110     125      95      85      95      65     575
    Beheeyem       90      90      90     140     110      55     575
    Golem          95     125     145      70      80      60     575
    Gorebyss       70      99     120     129      90      67     575
    Huntail        70     119     120     109      90      67     575
    Relicanth     115     105     145      60      80      70     575
    Togekiss       90      55     100     125     120      85     575
    Heatmor       100     112      81     120      81      80     574
    Golurk        104     139      95      70      95      70     573
    Hypno         100      88      85      88     130      82     573
    Bellossom      90      95     100     105     115      65     570
    Electrode      75      65      85      95      95     155     570
    Exploud       119     106      78     106      78      83     570
    Glalie         95      95      95      95      95      95     570
    Kingdra        80     100     100     100     100      90     570
    Lopunny        80      91      99      69     111     120     570
    Ludicolo       95      85      85     105     115      85     570
    Mandibuzz     120      75     115      65     105      90     570
    Milotic       100      65      84     105     130      86     570
    Octillery      90     120      90     120      90      60     570
    Phione         95      95      95      95      95      95     570
    Shiftry       105     115      75     105      75      95     570
    Snorlax       165     115      70      70     115      35     570
    Steelix        85      95     210      65      75      40     570
    Victreebel     95     120      80     115      75      85     570
    Vileplume      90      95     100     115     105      65     570
    Skuntank      118     108      82      86      76      99     569
    Unfezant       95     120      95      80      70     108     568
    Cacturne       85     130      75     130      75      70     565
    Crobat         90      95      85      75      85     135     565
    Dewgong       105      85      95      85     110      85     565
    Kingler        70     145     130      65      65      90     565
    Porygon-Z      90      85      75     140      80      95     565
    Raichu         75     105      70     105      95     115     565
    Rhyperior     120     145     135      60      60      45     565
    Sawsbuck       95     115      85      75      85     110     565
    Scolipede      75     105     104      70      84     127     565
    Swampert      105     115      95      90      95      65     565
    Garbodor       95     110      97      75      97      90     564
    Vespiquen      85      95     117      95     117      55     564
    Swanna         90     102      78     102      78     113     563
    Stunfisk      124      81      99      96     114      47     561
    Alomomola     180      90      95      55      60      80     560
    Blastoise      84      88     105      90     110      83     560
    Drapion        80     100     120      70      85     105     560
    Empoleon       89      91      93     116     106      65     560
    Grumpig        95      60      80     105     125      95     560
    Poliwrath     100      95     105      80     100      80     560
    Scyther        80     120      90      65      90     115     560
    Torkoal        85     100     155     100      85      35     560
    Pidgeot        98      95      90      85      85     106     559
    Whiscash      125      93      88      91      86      75     558
    Swalot        115      88      98      88      98      70     557
    Accelgor       90      80      50     110      70     155     555
    Escavalier     80     145     115      70     115      30     555
    Kabutops       70     125     115      75      80      90     555
    Mantine        80      55      85      95     155      85     555
    Omastar        80      70     135     125      80      65     555
    Sawk           90     140      90      45      90     100     555
    Stantler       88     110      77     100      80     100     555
    Throh         135     115     100      45     100      60     555
    Umbreon       100      70     115      65     135      70     555
    Maractus       90     101      82     121      82      75     551
    Basculin       85     107      80      95      70     113     550
    Bouffalant    105     120     105      50     105      65     550
    Camerupt       85     115      85     120      90      55     550
    Chandelure     65      60      95     150      95      85     550
    Dodrio         75     125      85      75      75     115     550
    Flygon         85     105      85      85      85     105     550
    Lumineon       84      84      91      84     101     106     550
    Mr. Mime       55      60      80     115     135     105     550
    Rotom-H        55      70     112     110     112      91     550
    Sigilyph       82      68      90     113      90     107     550
    Slowking      105      85      90     110     120      40     550
    Tropius       114      83      98      87     102      66     550
    [B]Volcarona      85      60      65     135     105     100     550[/B]
    Seviper        88     115      75     115      75      80     548
    Zangoose       88     130      75      75      75     105     548
    Ninjask        76     105      60      65      65     175     546
    Banette        79     130      80      98      78      80     545
    Cryogonal      80      60      40     105     145     115     545
    Druddigon      87     130     100      70     100      58     545
    Girafarig      85      95      80     105      80     100     545
    Golbat         90      95      85      80      90     105     545
    Jynx           80      65      50     130     110     110     545
    Porygon2       90      85      95     110     100      65     545
    Primeape       80     120      75      75      85     110     545
    Rhydon        115     140     130      55      55      50     545
    Spiritomb      60     102     118     102     118      45     545
    Yanmega        91      81      91     121      61     100     545
    Carnivine      89     115      87     105      87      61     544
    Durant         68     119     122      58      58     119     544
    Purugly        86      97      79      79      74     127     542
    [B]Blissey       255      10      10      75     135      55     540[/B]
    Cherrim        85      75      85     102      93     100     540
    Granbull      105     135      90      75      75      60     540
    [B]Gyarados       95     125      79      60     100      81     540
    Haxorus        76     147      90      60      70      97     540[/B]
    Jumpluff       90      70      85      70     100     125     540
    Lilligant      80      70      85     120      85     100     540
    Mienshao       70     130      65     100      65     110     540
    Piloswine     115     115      95      75      75      65     540
    Seaking        95     107      80      80      95      83     540
    Weavile        75     125      70      50      90     130     540
    Whimsicott     70      77      95      87      85     126     540
    Zoroark        65     110      65     125      65     110     540
    Krookodile    100     122      75      70      75      97     539
    Liepard        79     103      65     103      65     121     536
    Audino        118      75     101      75     101      65     535
    Crustle        80     105     135      75      85      55     535
    Honchkrow     105     130      57     110      57      76     535
    Machamp        95     135      85      70      90      60     535
    [B]Magnezone      70      70     115     130      90      60     535[/B]
    Manectric      80      85      70     115      70     115     535
    Roserade       65      75      60     130     110      95     535
    Hariyama      154     130      70      50      70      60     534
    [B]Infernape      76     104      71     104      71     108     534[/B]
    Clefable      105      80      83      95     100      70     533
    Fearow         80     105      80      76      76     115     532
    Galvantula     80      87      70     107      70     118     532
    Noctowl       115      65      65      91     111      85     532
    Bronzong       72      94     121      84     121      38     530
    Cinccino       85     105      70      75      70     125     530
    Claydol        65      75     110      75     125      80     530
    Heracross      85     130      80      45     100      90     530
    Houndoom       80      95      55     115      85     100     530
    Kecleon        75     105      85      75     135      55     530
    Klang          75      95     110      85     100      65     530
    Lunatone       85      70      80     110     100      85     530
    [B]Mamoswine     110     130      80      70      60      80     530[/B]
    Persian        80      85      75      80      80     130     530
    Seadra         70      80     110     110      60     100     530
    Solrock        85     110     100      70      80      85     530
    Vigoroth       95      95      95      70      70     105     530
    Arbok          75     100      84      80      94      95     528
    Crawdaunt      73     130      95     100      65      65     528
    Absol          75     140      70      85      70      85     525
    [B]Cloyster       50      95     180      85      45      70     525
    Espeon         65      65      60     130      95     110     525
    Hippowdon     108     112     118      68      72      47     525
    Jolteon        65      65      60     110      95     130     525
    Lucario        70     110      70     115      70      90     525[/B]
    Magneton       60      70     105     130      80      80     525
    Misdreavus     75      75      75     100     100     100     525
    Mismagius      65      65      65     110     110     110     525
    Nidoking       86      97      82      90      80      90     525
    Nidoqueen      95      87      92      80      90      81     525
    Tangela        80      70     130     115      55      75     525
    [B]Vaporeon      130      65      60     110      95      65     525
    Venusaur       80      82      83     100     100      80     525[/B]
    Abomasnow      95      97      80      97      90      65     524
    Amoonguss     124      95      80      95      90      40     524
    Bisharp        70     130     105      65      75      75     520
    Gothitelle     75      60     100     100     115      70     520
    Lairon         75     105     155      65      65      55     520
    Lanturn       135      68      68      86      86      77     520
    Pelipper       75      65     115     100      85      80     520
    [B]Rotom-W        50      65     107     105     107      86     520[/B]
    Slowbro       100      80     115     105      85      35     520
    Sneasel        70     110      70      50      90     130     520
    [B]Starmie        60      75      85     100      85     115     520[/B]
    Swellow        75     100      75      65      65     140     520
    Emolga         70      90      75      90      75     118     518
    Scrafty        70      95     120      50     120      63     518
    Chimecho       80      65      85     110      95      80     515
    Hitmonchan     60     115      89      45     120      86     515
    Hitmonlee      60     130      63      45     120      97     515
    Marowak        75      95     125      65      95      60     515
    Sunflora       90      90      70     120     100      45     515
    Swoobat        82      72      70      92      70     129     515
    [B]Tentacruel     80      70      65      80     120     100     515[/B]
    Wigglytuff    155      85      60      90      65      60     515
    Mothim         85     109      65     109      65      81     514
    Wormadam       75      74     100      94     120      51     514
    Wormadam-G     75      94     120      74     100      51     514
    Wormadam-S     75      84     110      84     110      51     514
    Cofagrigus     63      55     150     100     110      35     513
    Ambipom        80     105      71      65      71     120     512
    Castform       85      85      85      85      85      85     510
    Darmanitan    110     145      60      35      60     100     510
    Dragonair      76      99      80      85      85      85     510
    Froslass       75      85      75      85      75     115     510
    [B]Gliscor        75      95     125      45      75      95     510[/B]
    Linoone        93      85      76      65      76     115     510
    Metang         75      90     115      70      95      65     510
    Mightyena      85     105      85      75      75      85     510
    Sandslash      85     110     120      55      65      75     510
    Shelgon        80     110     115      75      65      65     510
    Venomoth       80      75      70     100      85     100     510
    Watchog        75     100      84      75      84      92     510
    Zweilous       87     100      85      80      85      73     510
    [B]Conkeldurr    105     140      95      55      65      45     505[/B]
    Dunsparce     115      85      85      80      80      60     505
    Furret        100      91      79      60      70     105     505
    [B]Ninetales      73      76      75      81     100     100     505[/B]
    Staraptor      90     125      75      55      55     105     505
    Masquerain     85      75      77      95      97      75     504
    Raticate       70      96      75      65      85     112     503
    Chatot         91      80      60     107      57     106     501
    Bibarel        94     100      75      70      75      86     500
    [B]Donphan        90     120     120      60      60      50     500[/B]
    Fraxure        81     132      85      55      65      82     500
    Gabite         83     105      80      65      70      97     500
    [B]Gengar         60      65      60     130      75     110     500[/B]
    Magcargo       65      65     135      95      95      45     500
    [B]Politoed       90      75      75      90     100      70     500[/B]
    Rotom          60      60      87     105      87     101     500
    [B]Scizor         70     130     100      55      80      65     500[/B]
    Sudowoodo      85     115     130      45      80      45     500
    Xatu           70      80      75     100      75     100     500
    Combusken      75     100      75     100      75      70     495
    Gurdurr       100     120     100      55      65      55     495
    Haunter        60      65      60     130      70     110     495
    Machoke        95     115      85      65      75      60     495
    Minun          75      55      65      90     100     110     495
    Monferno       79      93      67      93      67      96     495
    Murkrow        75     100      57     100      57     106     495
    Pachirisu      75      60      85      60     105     110     495
    Parasect       75     110      95      75      95      45     495
    Plusle         75      65      55     100      90     110     495
    Togetic        70      55     100      95     120      55     495
    Wartortle      74      78      95      80      95      73     495
    [B]Alakazam       55      50      45     135      85     120     490[/B]
    Illumise       80      62      70      88      90     100     490
    Kadabra        55      50      45     135      85     120     490
    Quagsire      105      95      95      75      75      45     490
    Qwilfish       75     105      85      65      65      95     490
    [B]Reuniclus     110      65      75     125      85      30     490[/B]
    Roselia        65      75      60     115      95      80     490
    Sharpedo       75     125      45     100      45     100     490
    [B]Toxicroak      83     106      65      86      65      85     490[/B]
    Volbeat        80      88      70      62      90     100     490
    [B]Ferrothorn     74      94     131      54     116      20     489[/B]
    Dusclops       45      75     135      65     135      30     485
    Hitmontop      55     100     100      40     115      75     485
    Ariados        85     105      85      75      75      55     480
    Chansey       255      10      10      40     110      55     480
    [B]Jellicent     100      60      70      85     105      60     480[/B]
    Ledian         70      50      65      70     125     100     480
    Munchlax      150     100      55      55     100      20     480
    Beautifly      75      85      65     105      65      80     475
    Beedrill       80      95      55      60      95      90     475
    Butterfree     75      60      65      95      95      85     475
    Dustox         75      65      85      65     105      80     475
    [B]Gastrodon     111      83      68      92      82      39     475[/B]
    Kricketune     92     100      66      70      66      80     474
    Corsola        70      70     100      80     100      50     470
    Delcatty       85      80      80      70      70      85     470
    Mawile         65     100     100      70      70      65     470
    Medicham       70      70      85      70      85      90     470
    [B]Forretress     75      90     140      60      60      40     465
    Skarmory       65      80     140      40      70      70     465
    Breloom        60     130      80      60      60      70     460[/B]
    Duosion        80      55      65     140      75      45     460
    Gligar         70      80     110      40      70      90     460
    Lampent        75      55      75     110      75      70     460
    Spinda         75      75      75      75      75      75     450
    Whirlipede     55      70     114      55      94      62     450
    Farfetch'd     67      80      70      73      77      75     442
    Azumarill     105      55      85      55      85      55     440
    Wobbuffet     195      38      63      38      63      38     435
    Unown          63      87      63      87      63      63     426
    Delibird       60      70      60      80      60      90     420
    Luvdisc        58      45      70      55      80     112     420
    Natu           55      65      60      85      60      85     410
    Sableye        55      80      80      70      70      55     410
    [B]Dugtrio        35      80      50      50      70     120     405[/B]
    Snover         70      72      60      72      70      50     394
    Pikachu        50      70      45      65      55     105     390
    Ditto          63      63      63      63      63      63     378
    Ferroseed      54      60     101      34      96      20     365
    Shedinja       16     105      60      45      45      55     326
    Smeargle       65      30      45      30      55      85     310
    Speed Rank (open)
    Code:
     Pokémon       HP     Atk     Def     SpA     SpD     [B]Spe[/B]     BST
    Ninjask        76     105      60      65      65     175     546
    Accelgor       90      80      50     110      70     155     555
    Electrode      75      65      85      95      95     155     570
    Aerodactyl     90     115      75      70      85     140     575
    Swellow        75     100      75      65      65     140     520
    Crobat         90      95      85      75      85     135     565
    Meloetta-P    105     133      95      82      82     133     630
    Zebstrika      90     115      78      95      78     131     587
    Floatzel      100     120      70     100      65     130     585
    [B]Jolteon        65      65      60     110      95     130     525[/B]
    Persian        80      85      75      80      80     130     530
    Sceptile       80      95      75     115      95     130     590
    Sneasel        70     110      70      50      90     130     520
    Weavile        75     125      70      50      90     130     540
    Swoobat        82      72      70      92      70     129     515
    Serperior      90      90     110      90     110     128     618
    Purugly        86      97      79      79      74     127     542
    Scolipede      75     105     104      70      84     127     565
    Whimsicott     70      77      95      87      85     126     540
    Cinccino       85     105      70      75      70     125     530
    Jumpluff       90      70      85      70     100     125     540
    Tauros         90     115     110      55      85     125     580
    Liepard        79     103      65     103      65     121     536
    [B]Alakazam       55      50      45     135      85     120     490[/B]
    Ambipom        80     105      71      65      71     120     512
    Archeops       85     150      75     122      75     120     627
    Azelf          80     130      75     130      75     120     610
    [B]Dugtrio        35      80      50      50      70     120     405[/B]
    Electabuzz     80      98      72     110     100     120     580
    Kadabra        55      50      45     135      85     120     490
    Lopunny        80      91      99      69     111     120     570
    Raikou         95      90      80     120     105     120     610
    Rapidash       80     115      85      95      95     120     590
    Durant         68     119     122      58      58     119     544
    Emolga         70      90      75      90      75     118     518
    Galvantula     80      87      70     107      70     118     532
    Simipour       90     113      78     113      78     116     588
    Simisage       90     113      78     113      78     116     588
    Simisear       90     113      78     113      78     116     588
    Tornadus       84     120      75     130      85     116     610
    Charizard      93      99      93     124     100     115     624
    Cryogonal      80      60      40     105     145     115     545
    Dodrio         75     125      85      75      75     115     550
    Fearow         80     105      80      76      76     115     532
    Froslass       75      85      75      85      75     115     510
    Linoone        93      85      76      65      76     115     510
    Manectric      80      85      70     115      70     115     535
    Miltank       110      95     120      55      85     115     580
    Raichu         75     105      70     105      95     115     565
    Regigigas     125     175     125      95     125     115     760
    Scyther        80     120      90      65      90     115     560
    Slaking       165     175     115     110      80     115     760
    [B]Starmie        60      75      85     100      85     115     520[/B]
    Basculin       85     107      80      95      70     113     550
    Cobalion       96      95     134      95      77     113     610
    Swanna         90     102      78     102      78     113     563
    Virizion       96      95      77      95     134     113     610
    Luvdisc        58      45      70      55      80     112     420
    Raticate       70      96      75      65      85     112     503
    Entei         125     125      95     100      85     110     640
    [B]Espeon         65      65      60     130      95     110     525
    Gengar         60      65      60     130      75     110     500[/B]
    Haunter        60      65      60     130      70     110     495
    Jynx           80      65      50     130     110     110     545
    [B]Latias         80      80      90     110     130     110     600
    Latios         80      90      80     130     110     110     600[/B]
    Leafeon        80     125     145      75      80     110     615
    Mienshao       70     130      65     100      65     110     540
    Minun          75      55      65      90     100     110     495
    Mismagius      65      65      65     110     110     110     525
    Pachirisu      75      60      85      60     105     110     495
    Plusle         75      65      55     100      90     110     495
    Primeape       80     120      75      75      85     110     545
    Sawsbuck       95     115      85      75      85     110     565
    Typhlosion     88      94      88     119      95     110     594
    Zoroark        65     110      65     125      65     110     540
    [B]Infernape      76     104      71     104      71     108     534
    Keldeo         91      72      90     129      90     108     580[/B]
    Magmar         80     110      72     115     100     108     585
    [B]Terrakion      91     129      90      72      90     108     580[/B]
    Unfezant       95     120      95      80      70     108     568
    Leavanny       90     118      95      85      85     107     580
    Sigilyph       82      68      90     113      90     107     550
    Chatot         91      80      60     107      57     106     501
    Lumineon       84      84      91      84     101     106     550
    Murkrow        75     100      57     100      57     106     495
    Pidgeot        98      95      90      85      85     106     559
    Drapion        80     100     120      70      85     105     560
    Electivire     85     133      77     105      95     105     600
    Flygon         85     105      85      85      85     105     550
    Furret        100      91      79      60      70     105     505
    Golbat         90      95      85      80      90     105     545
    Kangaskhan    120     110      95      55      95     105     580
    Mew           105     105     105     105     105     105     630
    Mr. Mime       55      60      80     115     135     105     550
    Pikachu        50      70      45      65      55     105     390
    Shaymin       105     105     105     105     105     105     630
    Staraptor      90     125      75      55      55     105     505
    Uxie           85      85     140      85     140     105     640
    Victini       105     105     105     105     105     105     630
    Vigoroth       95      95      95      70      70     105     530
    Zangoose       88     130      75      75      75     105     548
    Zapdos         95      95      90     130      95     105     610
    [B]Garchomp      108     130      95      80      85     102     600
    Landorus       89     125      90     115      80     101     600[/B]
    Rotom          60      60      87     105      87     101     500
    Rotom-F        65      80     122     120     122     101     610
    Rotom-S        65      80     122     120     122     101     610
    [B]Thundurus-T    79     105      70     145      80     101     580[/B]
    Arcanine       95     115      85     105      85     100     585
    Articuno      105     100     115     110     140     100     670
    [B]Celebi        100     100     100     100     100     100     600[/B]
    Cherrim        85      75      85     102      93     100     540
    Darmanitan    110     145      60      35      60     100     510
    Girafarig      85      95      80     105      80     100     545
    Golduck        95      97      93     110      95     100     590
    Houndoom       80      95      55     115      85     100     530
    Illumise       80      62      70      88      90     100     490
    [B]Jirachi       100     100     100     100     100     100     600[/B]
    Klinklang      70     110     125      80      95     100     580
    Kyurem        130     135      95     135      95     100     690
    Ledian         70      50      65      70     125     100     480
    Lilligant      80      70      85     120      85     100     540
    Misdreavus     75      75      75     100     100     100     525
    Moltres       100     110     100     135      95     100     640
    [B]Ninetales      73      76      75      81     100     100     505[/B]
    Pinsir         80     140     115      70      85     100     590
    [B]Salamence      95     135      80     110      80     100     600[/B]
    Sawk           90     140      90      45      90     100     555
    Seadra         70      80     110     110      60     100     530
    Sharpedo       75     125      45     100      45     100     490
    Stantler       88     110      77     100      80     100     555
    [B]Tentacruel     80      70      65      80     120     100     515[/B]
    Venomoth       80      75      70     100      85     100     510
    Volbeat        80      88      70      62      90     100     490
    [B]Volcarona      85      60      65     135     105     100     550[/B]
    Xatu           70      80      75     100      75     100     500
    Yanmega        91      81      91     121      61     100     545
    Skuntank      118     108      82      86      76      99     569
    [B]Hydreigon      92     105      90     125      90      98     600[/B]
    Gabite         83     105      80      65      70      97     500
    [B]Haxorus        76     147      90      60      70      97     540[/B]
    Hitmonlee      60     130      63      45     120      97     515
    Krookodile    100     122      75      70      75      97     539
    Monferno       79      93      67      93      67      96     495
    Rotom-C        60      75     117     115     117      96     580
    Altaria        90      85     105      85     120      95     580
    Arbok          75     100      84      80      94      95     528
    Braviary      115     138      90      72      90      95     600
    Cresselia     130      80     130      85     140      95     660
    Drifblim      165      95      59     105      69      95     588
    Gardevoir      83      80      80     140     130      95     608
    Glalie         95      95      95      95      95      95     570
    [B]Gliscor        75      95     125      45      75      95     510[/B]
    Grumpig        95      60      80     105     125      95     560
    [B]Kyurem-B      125     170     100     120      90      95     700[/B]
    Meganium       95      97     115      98     115      95     615
    Meloetta      105      82      82     133     133      95     630
    Phione         95      95      95      95      95      95     570
    Porygon-Z      90      85      75     140      80      95     565
    Qwilfish       75     105      85      65      65      95     490
    Roserade       65      75      60     130     110      95     535
    Shiftry       105     115      75     105      75      95     570
    Stoutland     100     115     105      60     105      95     580
    Vanilluxe      86     110     100     125     110      94     625
    Magmortar      85     105      77     135     105      93     600
    Watchog        75     100      84      75      84      92     510
    [B]Landorus-T     89     145      90     105      80      91     600[/B]
    Rotom-H        55      70     112     110     112      91     550
    Beedrill       80      95      55      60      95      90     475
    Delibird       60      70      60      80      60      90     420
    Gallade        78     135      75      75     125      90     578
    Garbodor       95     110      97      75      97      90     564
    Gligar         70      80     110      40      70      90     460
    Heracross      85     130      80      45     100      90     530
    Kabutops       70     125     115      75      80      90     555
    Kingdra        80     100     100     100     100      90     570
    Kingler        70     145     130      65      65      90     565
    [B]Lucario        70     110      70     115      70      90     525[/B]
    Mandibuzz     120      75     115      65     105      90     570
    Medicham       70      70      85      70      85      90     470
    Mesprit        90     115     115     115     115      90     640
    Nidoking       86      97      82      90      80      90     525
    Suicune       105      80     120      95     120      90     610
    Seismitoad    120     100      90     100      90      89     589
    Feraligatr     95     115     110      89      93      88     590
    Bibarel        94     100      75      70      75      86     500
    Hitmonchan     60     115      89      45     120      86     515
    Milotic       100      65      84     105     130      86     570
    [B]Rotom-W        50      65     107     105     107      86     520[/B]
    Absol          75     140      70      85      70      85     525
    Butterfree     75      60      65      95      95      85     475
    Castform       85      85      85      85      85      85     510
    Chandelure     65      60      95     150      95      85     550
    Delcatty       85      80      80      70      70      85     470
    Dewgong       105      85      95      85     110      85     565
    Dragonair      76      99      80      85      85      85     510
    Ludicolo       95      85      85     105     115      85     570
    Lunatone       85      70      80     110     100      85     530
    Luxray         95     135      94     110      94      85     613
    Mantine        80      55      85      95     155      85     555
    Mightyena      85     105      85      75      75      85     510
    Natu           55      65      60      85      60      85     410
    Noctowl       115      65      65      91     111      85     532
    Samurott      110     115     100     123      85      85     618
    Smeargle       65      30      45      30      55      85     310
    Solrock        85     110     100      70      80      85     530
    Togekiss       90      55     100     125     120      85     575
    [B]Toxicroak      83     106      65      86      65      85     490[/B]
    Victreebel     95     120      80     115      75      85     570
    Blastoise      84      88     105      90     110      83     560
    Exploud       119     106      78     106      78      83     570
    Seaking        95     107      80      80      95      83     540
    Fraxure        81     132      85      55      65      82     500
    Hypno         100      88      85      88     130      82     573
    [B]Gyarados       95     125      79      60     100      81     540[/B]
    Mothim         85     109      65     109      65      81     514
    Nidoqueen      95      87      92      80      90      81     525
    Alomomola     180      90      95      55      60      80     560
    Banette        79     130      80      98      78      80     545
    Beautifly      75      85      65     105      65      80     475
    Chimecho       80      65      85     110      95      80     515
    Claydol        65      75     110      75     125      80     530
    [B]Dragonite      91     134      95     100     100      80     600[/B]
    Dustox         75      65      85      65     105      80     475
    Flareon        80     145      75     110     125      80     615
    Glaceon        80      75     125     145     110      80     615
    Heatmor       100     112      81     120      81      80     574
    Kricketune     92     100      66      70      66      80     474
    Magneton       60      70     105     130      80      80     525
    [B]Mamoswine     110     130      80      70      60      80     530[/B]
    Pelipper       75      65     115     100      85      80     520
    Poliwrath     100      95     105      80     100      80     560
    Roselia        65      75      60     115      95      80     490
    Seviper        88     115      75     115      75      80     548
    [B]Venusaur       80      82      83     100     100      80     525[/B]
    Walrein       125      95     105     110     105      80     620
    [B]Heatran        91      90     106     130     106      77     600[/B]
    Lanturn       135      68      68      86      86      77     520
    Honchkrow     105     130      57     110      57      76     535
    Bisharp        70     130     105      65      75      75     520
    Emboar        120     133      75     110      75      75     588
    Farfetch'd     67      80      70      73      77      75     442
    Hitmontop      55     100     100      40     115      75     485
    Lapras        145     100      95     100     110      75     625
    Maractus       90     101      82     121      82      75     551
    Masquerain     85      75      77      95      97      75     504
    Sandslash      85     110     120      55      65      75     510
    Spinda         75      75      75      75      75      75     450
    Tangela        80      70     130     115      55      75     525
    Wailord       185     105      60     105      60      75     590
    Weezing        80     105     135     100      85      75     580
    Whiscash      125      93      88      91      86      75     558
    Rampardos     112     180      75      80      65      73     585
    Wartortle      74      78      95      80      95      73     495
    Zweilous       87     100      85      80      85      73     510
    Torterra      110     124     120      90     100      71     615
    Ampharos      105      90      90     130     105      70     590
    [B]Breloom        60     130      80      60      60      70     460[/B]
    Cacturne       85     130      75     130      75      70     565
    Clefable      105      80      83      95     100      70     533
    [B]Cloyster       50      95     180      85      45      70     525[/B]
    Combusken      75     100      75     100      75      70     495
    Exeggutor     110     110     100     140      80      70     610
    Golurk        104     139      95      70      95      70     573
    Gothitelle     75      60     100     100     115      70     520
    Lampent        75      55      75     110      75      70     460
    [B]Metagross      80     135     130      95      90      70     600
    Politoed       90      75      75      90     100      70     500[/B]
    Relicanth     115     105     145      60      80      70     575
    [B]Skarmory       65      80     140      40      70      70     465[/B]
    Swalot        115      88      98      88      98      70     557
    Umbreon       100      70     115      65     135      70     555
    Ursaring      105     145      90      90      90      70     590
    Gorebyss       70      99     120     129      90      67     575
    Huntail        70     119     120     109      90      67     575
    Tropius       114      83      98      87     102      66     550
    Abomasnow      95      97      80      97      90      65     524
    Audino        118      75     101      75     101      65     535
    Beartic       110     125      95      85      95      65     575
    Bellossom      90      95     100     105     115      65     570
    Bouffalant    105     120     105      50     105      65     550
    Crawdaunt      73     130      95     100      65      65     528
    Eelektross    100     130      95     120      95      65     605
    Empoleon       89      91      93     116     106      65     560
    Klang          75      95     110      85     100      65     530
    Lickilicky    125     100     110      95     110      65     605
    Mawile         65     100     100      70      70      65     470
    Metang         75      90     115      70      95      65     510
    Muk           120     120      90      80     115      65     590
    Omastar        80      70     135     125      80      65     555
    Piloswine     115     115      95      75      75      65     540
    Porygon2       90      85      95     110     100      65     545
    Regice         95      65     115     115     215      65     670
    Regirock       95     115     215      65     115      65     670
    [B]Scizor         70     130     100      55      80      65     500[/B]
    Shelgon        80     110     115      75      65      65     510
    Swampert      105     115      95      90      95      65     565
    [B]Vaporeon      130      65      60     110      95      65     525[/B]
    Vileplume      90      95     100     115     105      65     570
    Ditto          63      63      63      63      63      63     378
    Scrafty        70      95     120      50     120      63     518
    Unown          63      87      63      87      63      63     426
    Whirlipede     55      70     114      55      94      62     450
    Carnivine      89     115      87     105      87      61     544
    [B]Tyranitar     100     134     110      95     100      61     600[/B]
    Aggron         80     120     190      70      70      60     590
    Armaldo        90     140     115      85      95      60     585
    Dunsparce     115      85      85      80      80      60     505
    Golem          95     125     145      70      80      60     575
    Granbull      105     135      90      75      75      60     540
    Hariyama      154     130      70      50      70      60     534
    [B]Jellicent     100      60      70      85     105      60     480[/B]
    Machamp        95     135      85      70      90      60     535
    Machoke        95     115      85      65      75      60     495
    [B]Magnezone      70      70     115     130      90      60     535[/B]
    Marowak        75      95     125      65      95      60     515
    Octillery      90     120      90     120      90      60     570
    Tangrowth     110     110     135     120      60      60     595
    Throh         135     115     100      45     100      60     555
    Wigglytuff    155      85      60      90      65      60     515
    Cradily       101      96     112      96     122      58     585
    Druddigon      87     130     100      70     100      58     545
    Ariados        85     105      85      75      75      55     480
    Azumarill     105      55      85      55      85      55     440
    Beheeyem       90      90      90     140     110      55     575
    [B]Blissey       255      10      10      75     135      55     540[/B]
    Camerupt       85     115      85     120      90      55     550
    Chansey       255      10      10      40     110      55     480
    Crustle        80     105     135      75      85      55     535
    Dusknoir       55     110     145      75     145      55     585
    Gurdurr       100     120     100      55      65      55     495
    Kecleon        75     105      85      75     135      55     530
    Lairon         75     105     155      65      65      55     520
    Probopass      75      70     160      90     165      55     615
    Registeel      85      80     155      80     155      55     610
    Sableye        55      80      80      70      70      55     410
    Shedinja       16     105      60      45      45      55     326
    Togetic        70      55     100      95     120      55     495
    Vespiquen      85      95     117      95     117      55     564
    Wormadam       75      74     100      94     120      51     514
    Wormadam-G     75      94     120      74     100      51     514
    Wormadam-S     75      84     110      84     110      51     514
    Corsola        70      70     100      80     100      50     470
    [B]Donphan        90     120     120      60      60      50     500[/B]
    Rhydon        115     140     130      55      55      50     545
    Snover         70      72      60      72      70      50     394
    Carracosta     89     123     148      98      80      47     585
    [B]Hippowdon     108     112     118      68      72      47     525[/B]
    Stunfisk      124      81      99      96     114      47     561
    Bastiodon      75      67     183      62     153      45     585
    [B]Conkeldurr    105     140      95      55      65      45     505[/B]
    Duosion        80      55      65     140      75      45     460
    Magcargo       65      65     135      95      95      45     500
    Parasect       75     110      95      75      95      45     495
    Quagsire      105      95      95      75      75      45     490
    Rhyperior     120     145     135      60      60      45     565
    Spiritomb      60     102     118     102     118      45     545
    Sudowoodo      85     115     130      45      80      45     500
    Sunflora       90      90      70     120     100      45     515
    Musharna      131      70     100     122     110      44     577
    Amoonguss     124      95      80      95      90      40     524
    [B]Forretress     75      90     140      60      60      40     465[/B]
    Gigalith      100     150     145      75      85      40     595
    Slowking      105      85      90     110     120      40     550
    Steelix        85      95     210      65      75      40     570
    [B]Gastrodon     111      83      68      92      82      39     475[/B]
    Bronzong       72      94     121      84     121      38     530
    Wobbuffet     195      38      63      38      63      38     435
    Cofagrigus     63      55     150     100     110      35     513
    Slowbro       100      80     115     105      85      35     520
    Snorlax       165     115      70      70     115      35     570
    Torkoal        85     100     155     100      85      35     560
    Dusclops       45      75     135      65     135      30     485
    Escavalier     80     145     115      70     115      30     555
    [B]Reuniclus     110      65      75     125      85      30     490[/B]
    Ferroseed      54      60     101      34      96      20     365
    [B]Ferrothorn     74      94     131      54     116      20     489[/B]
    Munchlax      150     100      55      55     100      20     480
    Shuckle        35      25     245      25     245      20     595
  16. Chaoswalker

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    The speed rank is definetly interesting.
    New cool looking band/specs users:Ambipom, Archeops, Azelf, Raikou
    New cool looking scarf users: Mienshao, Primeape, Zoroark, Staraptor, Zapdos, Darmanitan

    I only picked switch-turners...
  17. dcae

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    Looking at the Speed stats, Floatzel looks like it has huge potential as a Bander or mixed attacker. 130 speed is excellent and 120/100 mixed stats are useable.
  18. Fusxfaranto

    Fusxfaranto there are many things that need to be erased
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    Just wanted to pop in and show my support for +20 for PU mons. While I'm here though, I might as well share one incredible threat that I've discovered:

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    SWANNA LOSE? (Swanna) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Hydration
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Surf
    - Hurricane
    - Rest
    - Toxic / Ice Beam

    Swanna is a real terror in rain. It hits deceptively hard, and is nearly impossible to stall out due to hydration. Surf destroys most everything that doesn't resist it, and Hurricane destroys what does. Rest is instant 100% recovery, which is really nice (although Swanna has trouble taking non-resisted hits). In the last slot, I prefer Toxic to beat Chansey and other special walls one-on-one, but Ice Beam works if you're scared of dragons.

    P.S. Jynx is also incredible
  19. sonicfan7895

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    Trust me, trying to set up Floatzel is a pain in the butt already, but when you do, Floatzel is an absolute monster. I had an Uber set featuring Thundurus-I, Floatzel and Poliwrath in Wonder Launcher (in the games). I used no items, no nothing, and I sweeped so many teams that I made them QUIT. Legitimately.

    Bottom line, it's a monster without Tier Shift, it's even better WITH Tier Shift.

    P.S.: Heartbeat Tournament Sign-up FTW
  20. Infernis

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    I'll second that.

    I've been using Bulk Up/Brave Bird/Substitute/Roost bulky Braviary lately, and my goodness is it a killer. 115/90/90 defenses aren't horrendous, and base 95 speed is... good enough. What really shines is the base 138 attack, which can pick apart many things. Has a lot of trouble with Aggron and friends, though.

    Another threat that I've seen around and recently made my own version of for my team: CB Ninjask. The typing is still bad, the defenses are still appalling, but 185 speed outruns just about everything, scarf or no. It also means that you don't have to invest practically any EVs into speed, which lets you make Ninjask significantly bulkier while still hitting very hard with base 115 attack and ridiculous speed. X-Scissor/Aerial Ace/Night Slash hits everything but steel types neutrally or better. For steel types, the only option for the last slot is Dig, so... bring a Magnezone or something. Ninjask also works well with a Focus Sash and Swords Dance, since he's still very frail.
  21. BlankZero

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    Cresselia: HP:130 Atk:80 Def:130 SpAtk:85 SpDef:140 Spe:95

    What in the world do we do now?
  22. Chaoswalker

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    The 4x ground/fighting weakness is more annoying than expected... they are probably the most common attacking types after all. Probopass is cool and all, but it's very hard to find opportunities to switch him in. Don't get me wrong, his defenses are great. It took an earthquake from a Gigalith (150 atk) without having to rely on sturdy, but it certainly wasn't doing it again without a wish. Perhaps a physical defense based ev spread+sandstorm SpD boost would be better. Also, Power Gem doesn't have enough power to be worth using. You'd be better off with Toxic or Pain split. I have to say though, access to volt-switch is very helpful in keeping up momentum, as Probopass can take the hit and then switch to someone faster and frailer.

    Some other defensive mons I plan to try out:
    Milotic
    Slowking
    Amoonguss
    Meganium
    Cradily
    Mandibuzz
    Porygon2
    Miltank(btw, it's an epic curse user)
  23. Yarnus of Bethany

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    Stall it out and beat it with Regigigas, which has 125/125/125 bulk and 175 attack once slow start is done.
  24. WaterBomb

    WaterBomb because exploding camels wasn't enough
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    I've used Meganium and Miltank to great effect. Meganium is 95/115/115 with reliable recovery in Synthesis and great support options in Aromatherapy, Stun Spore, Leech Seed, Sleep Powder, Dual Screens, etc. Couple that with both attacking stats also in the 90s and you have a wonderful tank, capable of sponging damage and hitting back relatively hard, especially with a Swords Dance boost.

    Miltank is amazingly bulky on the physical side, out-bulking Hippowdon with 110 HP and 120 Def. SpDef is ok too coupled with Thick Fat, and this thing is FAST with 115 Speed. You can even use a surprise Sap Sipper set offensively if you can score a boost. Extremely versatile.
  25. Chaoswalker

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    So here's an interesting little guy. I've been trying out Magcargo as a defensive mon.
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    Magcargo @ Leftovers
    Trait: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Lava Plume
    - Recover
    - Stockpile
    - Stealth Rock
    A mixed defensive set may not be the best, as I've had it OHKO'd by water types WITH stockpile boosts. Still, with it's ability and Lava Plume it scores a burn fairly often on its foes making physical attackers cry.

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