While I can appreciate the effort to be open and inclusive, I´m really not up for wasting 2 months discussing why Groudon and Kyogre really might be okay in the same game with Flygon and Steelix. Not that much has changed; can we please stop pretending like we know nothing about the game and get real? Take a look at the D/P Analyses board... assumptions have already been made about what is going to be allowed and what isn´t, so I don´t think it is going to be difficult to build consensus on banning the majority of the eventual uber metagame right now. Mewtwo, Mew, Wobbuffet, Lugia, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Palkia, Dialga, Giratina, Darkrai, Arceus, Deoxys (all forms), and Soul Dew Lati@s Should all be clearly be disallowed. In my mind, the only Pokemon that require debate are: Celebi, Shaymin, Manaphy, Ho-oh, and Non-SD Lati@s. While I think it will become apparent very quickly after the release of Competitor that Manaphy, Ho-oh, Latios, and Latias are unbalancing forces... I´m not opposed to allowing them from the start. The silly thing to do would be to pretend like we know nothing of the game we´ve been playing for years and start with a completely clean slate.