I've been using this Togekiss as my Special Tank with decent amounts of success in Shoddybattle. People tend to be surprised as this thing shrugs off a non-specs Starmie Thunderbolt/Ice Beam, and when Cresselia can't break its subs. I give you... defensive Togekiss! Togekiss @ Leftovers Calm: 252/252 Hp and Sp. Def ----------- Air Slash Roost Substitute Nasty Plot Defense Tiers discussion This Togekiss hits 124.94 on the Sp. Defense scale. Essentially, this Togekiss is as strong as a neutral 0/0 Chansey defensively. It takes Super-Effective attacks like Thunderbolt or Ice Beam at tier 117.67, or about how a 0/0 Gallade would take a Thunderbolt. On the Physical Defense side, this Togekiss scores 119.03. For comparison, Bold 255/255 Def Blissey Scores 121.01. So you can expect this Togekiss to absorb physical attacks a little worse than your standard Blissey. 2 tiers is the difference between having a Expert Belt / Dragon Plate/ etc. etc. and not having one. Blissey is 2 tiers stronger on the physical side. List of Damage Calculations Here are some calculations thanks to Metalkid's Calculator here: http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/DamageDP.aspx Timid 252 Sp. Atk Starmie using Thunderbolt/Ice Beam: 31.02% - 36.36% Modest 252 Sp. Atk Starmie :33.96% - 39.84% Defensive Cresselia using Ice Beam: 19.52% - 22.99% Defensive Blissey using Ice Beam: 19.52% - 22.99% Modest 252 Sp. Atk Gengar Thunderbolt : 40.37% - 47.59% SpecsMence DracoMeteor: 59.36% - 69.79% Two Hits from SpecsMence: 89.57 - 105.35% (100.46% average) Note: Leftovers heals you by 6% Needless to say, unless there is a critcial hit, this Bulky Togekiss will Roost off the damage from SpecsMence (0% chance of kill after you factor in Leftovers) and then Nasty Plot as it switches out. Substitute is in to help Togekiss counter Blissey and Cresselia. I would call that a clear-cut counter. Substitute prevents Thunder-Waves and Hypnosis from hitting Togekiss, a very important trait when going toe to toe against these uber-walls. Togekiss can not win against CalmMind Blissey or Cresselia unless you flinch hax several times in a row. Calm Mind variants will be able to break your subs in one turn Similarly, Scarf Starmie and normal Starmie pose no threat to this Togekiss, and this Togekiss will threaten right back with Nasty Plot. Even Gengar scores only a 3-hit KO against this defensive beast. Because of Gengar's speed, it will outrun Togekiss in Hypnosis vs Substitute. So this Togekiss isn't a counter to Gengar, but it hit him one or two times if necessary. -------- I admit, while this bulky Togekiss nudges off non-STAB attacks from common OU attackers, it isn't a Blissey. It scores even lower than Snorelax when it comes to Sp. Def tiers. However, with the ability to counter non-CM versions of Cresselia and Blissey, as well as (bearly) countering Specsmence and Non-Specs Starmie, I think a defensive Togekiss deserves a mention. All this while of course retaining its well known signature 60% Flinch-Hax while threatening a Nasty Plot sweep.