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Discussion in 'Inside Poop - April Fool's Day 2011' started by Matthew, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. Matthew

    Matthew I love weather; Sun for days
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    May 26, 2008
    Tournaments are a great part of smogon, in fact I'm enjoying just playing pokemon and everything as is right now. When I look at tournaments though, I feel like there isn't really much incentive to play besides "Oh, I can say I've won xyz" and improve your street cred. I mean all that's well and good but I am bringing up the idea of pay to play tournaments again. People pay an entrance fee for the tournament and then play to obtain first place and a big portion of all the fees collected. Second place receives less than first and third receives less than second. Something like 50% 30% 20%?? This should be easy enough to do with PayPal, though that's me mostly guessing, I'm sure there's ways to do it without much effort though.

    The thing about these tournaments is that we want to make it the most fair we possibly can. So, while I think all tournaments should be best of 3 anyway, these tournaments specifically should have to require it.

    I also didn't know if IS or PR would be better for this or Tournaments so w/e.
  2. mattj

    mattj blatant Nintendo fanboy

    Mar 30, 2009
    There's no way I would pay to play in a tournament on smogon. How many 14 year olds on this site have cash on hand?
  3. Huy

    is a Smogon IRC AOp Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnus

    Mar 27, 2005
    This has been discussed in the past and I feel like the general consensus is that most people aren't willing to pony down the cash for a game that relies far too much on luck.
  4. Oglemi

    Oglemi All are vermin in the eyes of Morbo
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    Oct 13, 2009
    Yeah, this seems like the fast track to shit like Parents Against the Internet, or whatever the hell, to dig their claws into our site because we're "stealing" money from minors who "don't know what they're getting in for."
  5. Aldaron

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    Aug 5, 2007
    I would have no problem doing pay to play, I think it would fit in well with rapid monetization scheme we've been undergoing over the past two years.
  6. cim

    cim happiness is such hard work
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    Jun 3, 2007
    It is very likely illegal for us to run pay for play tournaments for minors. Players would need to certify they are over 18 or have their parents' permission (and PayPal account) to play.

    Pokemon is not as much of a luck based game as people make it out to be. In best of one single elimination tournaments, it absolutely is, but that's the equivalent of playing a single hand of poker to decide a tournament. A best of three double elimination tournament would all but minimize the effects of luck while preserving the probability managment that is at the core of any competitive Pokemon team or battle.

    Plus with the smaller number of participants, a double elimination tournament would add length to a 16-man event, making it seem more valuable / involved / etc rather than something that gets knocked out in a week.

    @aldaron: i'm on as long as it's the summer or something
  7. Jackal

    Jackal I'm not retarded I'm Canadian it's different
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    It is very hard to trust people you have never met before with your money... furthermore, we have a huge player base of 13-16 year old players and they probably couldnt play.

    If this were to happen, I would recommend it happened in private.
  8. Mekkah

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    Feb 8, 2005
    I gauged interest for this long ago and there seemed to be lots of it, but nobody ever set anything up. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want to play Pokémon for money, but oh well.
  9. cookie

    cookie Firebot Development Lad
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    Mar 20, 2005
    tournaments forever!!!
  10. Atlas

    Atlas I'm the Mary!
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    May 19, 2005
    how bout we try giving away a tshirt as an incentive to win
  11. noobster

    noobster space cowboy
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    Apr 1, 2005
    still waiting for mine from ST2 :<

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