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Toxicroak (Placeholder)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by Afti, Nov 30, 2010.

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  1. Afti

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    STATUS: let's get it started in here

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    http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/toxicroak

    [Overview]

    • Toxicroak's acceptable defensive stats, combined with Bulk Up and the rapid recovery afforded by Dry Skin and Drain Punch, make it very hard to take down.
    • Without a boost it's folding if it takes a hit.
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    • Overall, Toxicroak isn't very different. The game around it, though, is far kinder to it, with Politoed everywhere.
    [SET]
    name: Bulky Toxicroak
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Taunt/Substitute
    move 3: Drain Punch
    move 4: Sucker Punch
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Adamant
    ability: Dry Skin
    evs: 244 HP/252 Atk/12 Def

    Set Description:

    • Come in on something that you can set up on and set up. Taunt prevents most phazers from working. Substitute protects you from status.
    • Once Toxicroak is set up, you can't kill it in the rain.
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    • Speed investment isn't worth much; Toxicroak is plodding at best anyway
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    [SET]
    name: BaitCroak
    move 1: Cross Chop
    move 2: Stone Edge
    move 3: Sucker Punch
    move 4: X-Scissor
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Jolly
    ability: Dry Skin
    evs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe

    Set Description:

    • Takes out enemy weather-inducers, which love to come in on Toxicroak
    • Dry Skin sucks for this purpose, but is essential to keep the bluff up
    • A little gimmicky, but used right will allow your real Rain sweepers to prosper
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    [Team Options]
    • Politoed is vital to set up rain. Without rain, Toxicroak is just an average Fighting-type.
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    [Optional Changes]

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    [Counters]
    • Ninetales removes Toxicroak's beloved Rain and kills it dead with Special Fire attacks.
    • For that matter, Tyranitar or Hippowdon will kill off Toxicroak, as well.
    • Dragon Tail/Overhead Throw will work, if you can keep it from having another chance to set up.
    • And, of course, Psychic attacks will brutalize Toxicroak.
    [Dream World]
    • Without Dry Skin, Toxicroak is nothing.
    • Poison Hand isn't useful anyway; it keeps you from inflicting a better status like Burn or Sleep.
  2. elDino

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    You should add a Swords Dance set on when you get the chance, it was very effective last generation and it sees a lot of use this gen as well. Good luck!
  3. Limewire

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    Second this. Swords Dance/Drain Punch/Sucker Punch/Taunt worked wonderfully on my rain team. With a little modification, it can also counter rain teams as well.
  4. Jeslimak

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    Also, balloon. Lets you set up on way more things.
  5. Forte.EXE

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    A Swords Dance set should be somewhere in the OP.

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Drain Punch
    move 3: Sucker Punch
    move 4: Substitute / Stone Edge
    item: Life Orb / Leftovers
    nature: Adamant
    ability: Dry Skin
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    Personally, I think that's the best set for a Toxicroak. Tyranitar can't just come in and shit all over it, because only ScarfTar is going to be out-speeding, and Drain Punch is a OHKO through and through. Hippowdon is 2HKOed by +2 Drain Punch, so you have a chance to beat it. A 252 HP | 252 Def Ninetales is 2HKOed by +0 Drain Punch with Stealth Rock down, and seeing as no one actually uses Defense EVs on a Ninetales, you'll be sure to 2HKO with Drain Punch. Should be mentioned that Roobushin's most common attacks (Drain Punch/Mach Punch/Payback or Stone Edge) are resisted by Toxicroak, and even with mediocre Defenses, Dry Skin and Leftovers are really helping out there.
  6. YaM

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    Nasty Plot set deserves at least OC mention. Based on the last generation, something like

    - Nasty Plot
    - Vaccum Wave
    - Dark Pulse
    - Focus Blast or Sludge Bomb
  7. Omicron

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    Second the NP set. Very surprising to Toxicroak's physical counters and STAB NP boosted Vacuum Wave can revenge kill many annoying threats.
  8. Noble Cactus

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    You could mention that Toxicroak's typing allows it to switch in on a few common attacks, namely Fighting, Bug, and (Stealth) Rock. He also resists Dark and Grass, so you could also mention that he has a nice defensive typing in general. Just a thought.
  9. Afti

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    All right. I'll test NP/Swords Dance sets tomorrow and get to work on revising this once I'm comfortable with Croak in the post-banning metagame.

    Also, going to note that Tyranitar's only a counter to Bulk Up Toxicroak if it hasn't set up yet. A +1/+1 or better Croak can survive Tyranitar's attacks and OHKO back with Drain Punch before leaving to bring something else in.
  10. DFang

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    I just started playing PO on smogon's server and Toxicroak has been performing pretty well in this meta.

    -immune to toxic
    -absorbs toxic spikes
    -water immunity, notable boiling water immunity
    -loves the rain
    -multiple priority options

    I've been saving Toxicroak for late game sweeping once the dragons are gone unless there are toxic spikes on the field. This set has worked well:

    Jolly with leftovers (252 Att, 252 Spd)
    -substitue
    -bulk up
    -drain punch
    -sucker punch

    He lasts forever in the rain!

    I plan on trying this mixed priority set to counter fast threats like Excadrill and Cloyster:

    Rash with leftovers (252 Att, 252 Spd)
    -substitute
    -cheer up
    -sucker punch
    -vacuum wave
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    Same as with this thread. Closed.
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