Turnabout is Fair Play: Avnomke vs. chifii! (3 vs 3 LC Rotation)

[Dummy007]

Today at the ASB Arena, we're putting a new spin on battling! Rotation Battles are probably the least-common battles conducted in this arena, but that doesn't make them any less exciting than battles of other types. Avnomke and chifii are here today to demonstrate this fact in what promises to be a dizzying affair!

(no I will not stop making rotation-related puns I'm already on a roll)

Here are the rules for today's encounter:

3v3 LC Rotation
No items
2 day DQ
ASB Arena
Switch=OK
2 subs
All abilities (default)
2 recovers/5 chills (default)

Let's check out the 'mons!

Avnomke's Nominees:

Rodan the Froakie

Froakie M Rodan
Types: Water
Abilities: Torrent/Protean(H)
Nature: Hasty: +Spe +22.989% accuracy (23%), -Def
Personality: Rodan is quiet, and prefers to fight in silence. When he does talk, it is generally something important.
Stats:
HP: 90
Atk: 2
Def: 1-
SpA: 3
SpD: 2
Spe: 81.65+ (82)
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 1
Base Rank Total: 14
EC: 0/9
MC: 0
AC: 0/5
Attacks:
Level Up
Pound
Growl
Bubble
Quick Attack
Lick
Water Pulse
Smokescreen
Round
Fling
Egg
Bestow
Camouflage
Mud Sport
Mind Reader
Toxic Spikes
TM/HM
Ice Beam
Dig
Acrobatics
Scald
Rock Slide

Pauly the Litwick

Litwick F Pauly
Types: Fire/Ghost
Abilities: Flash Fire/Flame Body/Infiltrator(H)
Nature: Modest +SpA, -Att
Personality: Pauly is incredibly pessimistic, and is constantly thinking that the team is sure to die, whether or not they are actually at a disadvantage.
Stats:
HP: 90
Atk: 1-
Def: 2
SpA: 4+
SpD: 2
Spe: 20
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 1
Base Rank Total: 12
EC: 0/9
MC: 0
AC: 0/5
Attacks:
Level Up
Ember
Astonish
Minimize
Smog
Fire Spin
Confuse Ray
Night Shade
Will-O-Wisp
Flame Burst
Imprison
Egg
Heat Wave
Acid Armor
Clear Smog
Endure
Haze
TM/HM
Energy Ball
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Thief
Incinerate

Zen the Meditite

Meditite M Zen
Types: Fighting/Psychic
Abilities: Pure Power/Telepathy(H)
Nature: Adamant +Att, -SpA
Personality: Zen enters a meditative state while battling, and does not talk during it. Or in general.
Stats:
HP: 90
Atk: 3+ (5 Pure Power)
Def: 3
SpA: 1-
SpD: 3
Spe: 60
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Base Rank Total: 12 (14 Pure Power)
EC: 0/6
MC: 0
AC: 0/5
Attacks:
Level Up
Bide
Meditate
Confusion
Detect
Hidden Power (Ghost)
Swagger
Mind Reader
Feint
Calm Mind
Egg
Bullet Punch
Drain Punch
Psycho Cut
Fake Out
Guard Swap
TM/HM
Double Team
Brick Break
Rock Slide
Substitute
Poison Jab

chifii's Chiefs:

Tiny the Colosshale

Tiny (female)
Types: Dark/Water
Abilities:: Rebound / Storm Drain / (U) Flare Boost
Nature: Quiet (+1 SpA, -15% Speed, -10% Evasion)
Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 2
Def: 2
SpA: 4 +
SpD: 3
Spe: 73 (-15% Speed)
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 9
Base Rank Total: 16
EC: 3/6
MC: 0
AC: 5/5
Attacks (Current move total):
Level Up
0 Leer*
0 Tackle*
6 Bubble Beam*
11 Bite*
17 Rapid Spin*
22 Body Slam*
Bounce (BAP 12, EN 9)
Stockpile
Egg
Encore*
Fakeout*
Fire Fang*
Thunder Fang*
Flail*
Water Spout
TM/HM
Substitute*
Rest*
Earthquake*
Dark Pulse*
Dragon Tail*
Sludge Bomb
Tutor
Other

Timburr the Timburr

Timburr (male)
Types: Fighting
Abilities:: Guts / Sheer Force / Iron Fist (H)
Nature: Adamant (+1 Atk, -1 SpA)
Stats:
HP: 100
Atk: 4(+)
Def: 2
SpA: 0 (-)
SpD: 2
Spe: 35
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Base Rank Total: 13
EC: 1/9
MC: 2
AC: 3/5
Attacks (Current move total):
Level Up
Pound*
Leer*
Focus Energy*
Bide*
Low Kick*
Rock Throw*
Wake-Up Slap*
Chip Away*

Egg
Endure*
Reversal*
Drain Punch*
Counter*
Comet Punch*
TM/HM
Protect*
Focus Blast*
Bulk Up*
Taunt*
Facade*
Tutor
Other

Eevee the Eevee

Eevee (female)
Types: Normal
Abilities: Run Away/Adaptability/Anticipation(H)
Nature: Docile (no boosts or drops)
Stats:
HP: 90
Atk: 2
Def: 2
SpA: 2
SpD: 3
Spe: 55
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 1
Base Rank Total: 13
EC: 0/6
MC: 0
AC: 0/5
Attacks (Current move total):
Level Up
Helping Hand*
Tail Whip*
Tackle*
Growl*
Sand Attack*
Baby-Doll Eyes*
Swift*
Quick Attack*
Bite*
Refresh*
Covet*
Take Down*
Egg
Stored Power*
Curse*
Flail*
Endure*
Natural Gift*
TM/HM
Attract*
Rest*
Sleep Talk*
Double team*
Protect*
Tutor
Other

This is how we do it (I think; I've never reffed Rotation before):
Dummy007 arbitrarily sends out everything.
Avnomke chooses his lead 'mon.
chifii chooses his lead 'mon and orders.
Avnomke orders.
Dummy007 refs/screws up/whines about how hard both of your usernames are to spell.
Avnomke makes another move.
chifii chooses chommands.
Dummy007 whines/refs some more.
etc.

And with that, the battle begins! Avnomke, pick your lead!

 

[Avnomke]

I'm going to lead with Pauly.

Also, since there is effectively three times the movepool and potential to switch to a resist, should we have three times the substitutions? (i.e. 6 subs)

 

[chifii]

I'm not sure how rotations go down. I know that we PM our orders and rotations to the ref instead of posting them in the thread. I'll ask around on IRC.

EDIT: IRC doesn't seem to have an answer, nor can I find anything in the Player's Handbook. In the meantime, it seems that this is the closest thing to an official guide to how these things work. It says we can't sub based on what pokemon is brought in; we can only sub based on the moves of our opponents, and I'm pretty sure rotating can't be influenced by subs.

Also, I lead with Colloshale.

EDIT EDIT: What we can do, though, is both agree to have an additional sub. That's always an option

 

[Dummy007]

So here's the consensus:

3 subs
PM me actions
Only rotate prior to A1
May not sub for rotations, but may sub for moves on other Pokemon

If you both agree to these terms, Avnomke and chifii, then PM me your first set of three(!) actions.

 

[Dummy007]

Round 1: dw/dt > 0

Rules rule!

3v3 LC Rotation
No items
2 day DQ
ASB Arena
Switch=OK
2 3 subs
All abilities (default)
2 recovers/5 chills (default)

Avnomke's Actions

Orders:
[Rotate Meditite] Brick Break ~ Fake Out ~ Brick Break
If [Rotate Timburr] is used then replace actions with Psycho Cut ~ Fake Out ~ Psycho Cut illegal sub
If Counter is used a1 or a3, replace that action with Confusion. negated by chifii's sub, as per IRC ruling
If Double Team is used a1 or a3, replace that action with Rock Slide.

chifii's Choices

Switch to Timburr. Sheer force=ON
Rock Throw-Comet Punch-Rock Throw
IF damaging Fighting move, use Counter that action negated by Avnomke's sub, as per IRC ruling
IF damaging Psychic move, use Protect that action
IF damaging evasive move, use Bulk-up that action.

Avnomke's Zen

Meditite M Zen
HP: 90
Energy: 100
Atk: 3+ (5 Pure Power)
Def: 3
SpA: 1-
SpD: 3
Spe: 60
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Timburr

Timburr (male)
HP: 100
Energy: 100
Atk: 4(+)
Def: 2
SpA: 0 (-)
SpD: 2
Spe: 35
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

Round 1 Begin!

The ground starts spinning, signifying the beginning of the first round! When it stops, Zen and Timburr are left facing one another, which means they'll be taking each other on!

...Or, at least, they would be, but it seems as though they're both totally stalled. Neither is willing to make a move; it seems that Zen is trying to charge energy in his fist while also building up psychic energy, while Timburr has half a forcefield up and is also bracing for impact while trying to hoist a rock. Seeing no way out of this stalemate, I race over to IRC to discover the following:

<13:32> waterwarrior: conflicting subs cancel each other out

The Pokemon are both visibly relieved at this revelation, although Timburr's relief quickly fades after he is smacked upside the head with a brick-breaking blow. Gathering his wits, he responds by throwing a boulder. BUT WAIT!

As a result, it bounces almost harmlessly off of Zen's conditioned exterior.

Amused, Zen leaps forward, bringing his fist within inches of Timburr's face. Timburr recoils...only to be given a slap across the face instead of a punch. It seems that flinching wasn't worth it after all.

The third action is an exact repeat of the first, complete with SpongeBob picture. It seems that originality is not the primary focus here...

At the end of the first round, Avnomke has a notable advantage over chifii! But it's too early in the match to tell for sure who will win. Can Avnomke keep his lead stationary, or will chifii turn the tables on him? Find out next round!

End Round 1

Avnomke's Zen

Meditite M Zen
HP: 81
Energy: 86
Atk: 3+ (5 Pure Power)
Def: 3
SpA: 1-
SpD: 3
Spe: 60
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Timburr

Timburr (male)
HP: 60
Energy: 94
Atk: 4(+)
Def: 2
SpA: 0 (-)
SpD: 2
Spe: 35
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

Just the Facts

Brick Break (Meditite) [Crit Roll: 7438; no crit]
(8 + 3 + 7.5 – 3) * 1 = 15.5 damage
EN Cost: 5

Rock Throw (Timburr) [Hit Roll: 7621, Crit Roll: 9740; hit, no crit]
(5 + 6 – 4.5) * 2/3 = 4.33 damage
EN Cost: 3


Fake Out (Meditite) [Crit Roll: 2410; no crit]
(4 + 7.5 – 3) * 1 = 8.5 damage
EN Cost: 4

Comet Punch (Timburr) [Flinched]
EN Cost: 0


Brick Break (Meditite) [Crit Roll: 3638; no crit]
(8 + 3 + 7.5 – 3) * 1 = 15.5 damage
EN Cost: 5

Rock Throw (Timburr) [Hit Roll: 4461, Crit Roll: 5305; hit, no crit]
(5 + 6 – 4.5) * 2/3 = 4.33 damage
EN Cost: 3


End of Round:
Meditite: 9 damage, -14 EN
Timburr: 40 damage, -6 EN

Avnomke, chifii, send in your next rotations/orders/subs!

 

[chifii]

Best F***in subs ever.

Also, Avnomke, I think your Froakie's speed is incorrect. It should be 81 rather than 82 because you always round down when dealing with Speed.

IAR EDIT: Incorrect. +Speed Natures round up, -Speed Natures round down, & the Accuracy boost of a +Speed Nature is rounded normally. Read the rules.

 

[Dummy007]

Round 2: Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most

(Jazz) Standards:

3v3 LC Rotation
No items
2 day DQ
ASB Arena
Switch=OK
2 3 subs
All abilities (default)
2 recovers/5 chills (default)

Avnomke's Actions

R2 Orders:
Psycho Cut ~ Brick Break ~ Psycho Cut
If [Rotate Coloshale] is used then replace all instances of Psycho Cut with Drain Punch still illegal sub
If Counter is used, replace that action with Confusion.
If Double Team is used, replace that action with Rock Slide.

chifii's Choices

Switch to Colloshale.
Bounce-Fakeout-Bounce
IF Psychic (the move) is used, change orders to Water Spout A1, Earthquake A2, Dark Pulse A3.
IF Acrobatics is used, change orders to Thunder Fang A1, Fakeout A2, Thunder Fang A3.
IF Dig is used, use Earthquake on that action.

Avnomke's Zen

Meditite M Zen
HP: 81
Energy: 86
Atk: 3+ (5 Pure Power)
Def: 3
SpA: 1-
SpD: 3
Spe: 60
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Tiny

Tiny (female)
HP: 100
Energy: 100
Atk: 2
Def: 2
SpA: 4 +
SpD: 3
Spe: 73 (-15% Speed)
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 9
Boosts: none
Other: none

Round 2 Begin!

chifii calls for a rotation to Tiny, and the battlefield happily obliges. Suddenly, Zen is being stared down by a whale nearly four times his size. And this whale. Wants. REVENGE.

Tiny immediately springs off the ground, leaping high into the air. She goes so high, in fact, that Zen fires a meaningless Psycho Cut forward, not expecting Tiny to ever come back down. So, naturally, Tiny smashes to the ground immediately afterwards, dealing some moderate damage to Zen in the process. (Moral of the action: Patience is a virtue.)

Tiny continues her merciless assault by leaping forward at Zen. Zen flinches at the thought of another whale attack, but Tiny merely slaps Zen across the face. How this scores a critical hit is beyond me, but it happened, so I guess we'll just have to live with it.

The third action proceeds the same way as the first, with Zen again losing faith in Tiny and expending a little pointless energy. Also like the first action, Tiny immediately follows that by crashing down onto Zen. It seems that the whole patience thing might be lost on Pokemon...

The match is about even at this point, with neither side having a real advantage. Will there be any new twists next round?

End Round 2

Avnomke's Zen

Meditite M Zen
HP: 47
Energy: 78
Atk: 3+ (5 Pure Power)
Def: 3
SpA: 1-
SpD: 3
Spe: 60
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Tiny

Tiny (female)
HP: 100
Energy: 72
Atk: 2
Def: 2
SpA: 4 +
SpD: 3
Spe: 73 (-15% Speed)
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 9
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Timburr

Timburr (male)
HP: 60
Energy: 94
Atk: 4(+)
Def: 2
SpA: 0 (-)
SpD: 2
Spe: 35
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

Just the Facts

Bounce (Colosshale) [WHEE]

Psycho Cut (Meditite) [Missed]
EN Cost: 4

Bounce (Colosshale) [Hit Roll: 1514, Crit Roll: 4972, Para Roll: 4449; hit, no crit, no para]
(11 + 3 – 4.5) * 1.5 = 14.25 damage
EN Cost: 12


Fake Out (Colosshale) [Crit Roll: 479; crit]
(4 + 3 + 3 – 4.5) * 1 = 5.5 damage
EN Cost: 4

Brick Break (Meditite) [Flinched]
EN Cost: 0

Bounce (Colosshale) [WHEE]

Psycho Cut (Meditite) [Missed]
EN Cost: 4

Bounce (Colosshale) [Hit Roll: 990, Crit Roll: 9513, Para Roll: 8785; hit, no crit, no para]
(11 + 3 – 4.5) * 1.5 = 14.25 damage
EN Cost: 12


End of Round:
Colosshale: 0 damage, -28 EN
Meditite: 34 damage, -8 EN

Avnomke, chifii, send in R3 actions when you can.

 

[Avnomke]

I should have used Drain Punch instead of Psycho Cut, thanks to my subs. And now that I think about it, Psycho Cut instead of Brick break in R1.
Subs in question:
(R1) If [Rotate Timburr] is used then replace actions with Psycho Cut ~ Fake Out ~ Psycho Cut
(R2) If [Rotate Coloshale] is used then replace all instances of Psycho Cut with Drain Punch

 

[Dummy007]

So here's the consensus:

3 subs
PM me actions
Only rotate prior to A1
May not sub for rotations, but may sub for moves on other Pokemon

I also marked both of those subs as illegal in the "actions" section of their respective rounds. (Actually, it's a good thing Zen's Colosshale sub didn't activate, or Zen would have lost a good deal more energy.)

 

[Avnomke]

I didn't see that. My bad.

 

[Dummy007]

Round 3: Players used Substitution! Dummy007 became confused!

The Golden Rules:

3v3 LC Rotation
No items
2 day DQ
ASB Arena
Switch=OK
2 3 subs
All abilities (default)
2 recovers/5 chills (default)

Avnomke's Actions

[Rotate Froakie] Dig ~ Acrobatics ~ Dig
If Bounce is used a1 or a3, Rock Slide that action.
If Counter is used, Ice Beam that action. ignored, for reasons explained in the flavor
If Double Team is used, Rock Slide that action.

chifii's Choices

Switch to Timburr
Counter *3
IF Heat Wave is used, change actions to Rock Throw *3
IF Dig is used, change actions to Bide-Hold-Release ignored, for reasons explained in the flavor
IF Acrobatics is used, change A1 to Endure

Avnomke's Rodan

Froakie M Rodan
HP: 90
Energy: 100
Atk: 2
Def: 1-
SpA: 3
SpD: 2
Spe: 81.65+ (82)
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 1
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Timburr

Timburr (male)
HP: 60
Energy: 94
Atk: 4(+)
Def: 2
SpA: 0 (-)
SpD: 2
Spe: 35
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

Round 3 Begin!

Oh, boy, this round is a doozy. Inside the following HIDE tags is an explanation of why I ignored one substitution from each of you.

Thank heavens for EspyOwner

There is no standard for Rotation Battles as to which player's subs kick in first in the case of a sub conflict. So let's look at each case separately.
First, assume that Avnomke's sub kicks in first. Timburr is using Counter 3 times, so Rodan's actions change to Ice Beam -> Ice Beam -> Ice Beam. chifii has no sub for Ice Beam, so all sub conditions are met and chifii gets absolutely ruined.
Now assume that chifii's sub kicks in first. Rodan is using Dig A1 and Acrobatics A2, so both of chifii's last two subs would activate. However, there is codification for a case like this: the sub listed first takes preference. Therefore, Timburr uses Bide all 3 actions, and, because Avnomke has no sub for Bide, Rodan proceeds with his normal actions and everything is fine.
Thus we have two sets of equally possible and legal actions: one that's roughly even and one that wrecks chifii. Unfortunately, we have no way to tell which set should happen, which, according to EspyOwner on IRC, qualifies as a sub conflict, so both of those subs are ignored. chifii's third sub doesn't cause a conflict, however, so it happens normally, leaving the actions the way you see them in the flavor.

The field rotates again, leaving Timburr and Rodan to duke it out this round. Timburr, sensing that Rodan is going to bust out some acrobatic moves later, braces himself to endure the hits. Rodan, however, isn't quite ready to get funky yet and instead tunnels his way over to Timburr (quite unnecessarily, I think), leaps out of the ground, and pushes Timburr over.

Now Rodan busts out his fancy moves. Walking like he's on a tightrope, jumping and flipping like a trapeze star, putting one leg behind his head- Rodan is a real acrobat! The sheer wow factor of this display does some serious damage to Timburr's self esteem, but that doesn't stop Timburr from more than repaying the damage in a massive physical blow to Rodan's chest!

Recovering somewhat from the Counter, Rodan pulls off another tunneling move, again dealing subpar damage to Timburr. Fortunately, this means that Timburr doesn't have a lot to Counter, although he stills expends a large amount of energy doing so.

In the end, Timburr barely outdamages Rodan at the cost of much more energy. Still, anything is possible this early in the match. What will happen the next go-round? Stay tuned to find out!

End Round 3

Avnomke's Rodan

Froakie M Rodan
HP: 57
Energy: 73
Atk: 2
Def: 1-
SpA: 3
SpD: 2
Spe: 81.65+ (82)
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 1
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Timburr

Timburr (male)
HP: 27
Energy: 53
Atk: 4(+)
Def: 2
SpA: 0 (-)
SpD: 2
Spe: 35
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: Cannot Endure (1r)

Avnomke's Zen

Meditite M Zen
HP: 47
Energy: 78
Atk: 3+ (5 Pure Power)
Def: 3
SpA: 1-
SpD: 3
Spe: 60
Size Class: 1
Weight Class: 2
Boosts: none
Other: none

chifii's Tiny

Tiny (female)
HP: 100
Energy: 72
Atk: 2
Def: 2
SpA: 4 +
SpD: 3
Spe: 73 (-15% Speed)
Size Class: 4
Weight Class: 9
Boosts: none
Other: none

Just the Facts

Endure (Timburr) [Success]
EN Cost: 15

Dig (Froakie) [Crit Roll: 1588; no crit]
(8 + 3 – 3) * 1 = 8 damage
EN Cost: 10


Acrobatics (Froakie) [Crit Roll: 5857; no crit]
(11 + 3 – 3) * 1.5 = 16.5 damage
EN Cost: 7

Counter (Timburr) [Success]
16.5 * 1.5 = 24.75 damage
EN Cost: 13.25


Dig (Froakie) [Crit Roll: 6131; no crit]
(8 + 3 – 3) * 1 = 8 damage
EN Cost: 10

Counter (Timburr) [Success]
8 * 1.5 = 12 damage
EN Cost: 13


End of Round:
Froakie: 37 damage, -27 EN
Timburr: 33 damage, -41 EN

Avnomke, chifii, let's keep things rolling!

 

[Avnomke]

Conflicting subs, all day every day. Forever.

 

[Avnomke]

I'm gonna call DQ here, because chifii hasn't sent in orders yet.

 

[Dummy007]

Then it is finished! Here is the prize distribution:

Avnomke: 2 CC
Rodan (Froakie), Pauly (Litwick), Zen (Meditite): 1 EC, 2 MC, 1 AC
chifii: nothing
Dummy007: (2+1)*(2+2)/2 = 6 UC

Thanks for playing! Good luck to both of you in the rest of your ASB careers!