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Two type move combos and their coverage

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by X5Dragon, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. X5Dragon

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    Hello everyone,
    We started this little research back at gamefaqs's black pokemon board and I'd thought maybe you could put it to better use somehow:


    (Illustrated version in 2nd page)


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    *Bold in "Resisted by" indicates most used
    *Bold in "Most Notable Users" indicates STAB on both types



    Unresisted due to ability (Turboblaze, Mold Breaker):


    Dragon/Fire w/Turboblaze


    Resisted by: None
    Most Notable Users: Reshiram, Kyurem-W


    Dragon/Fight w/Mold Breaker


    Resisted by: None
    Most Notable Users: Haxorus (Superpower, Brick Break, Low Kick)




    Unresisted due to missing dual-type pokemon:

    Ghost/Fighting:

    Resisted by: (Normal/Ghost)
    Most Notable Users: Gengar (Focus Blast), Reuniclus (Shadow Ball, Focus Blast)





    Resisted by one pokemon due to ability (Scrappy):

    Normal/Fighting w/Scrappy


    Resisted by: (Wonder Guard Shedinja)
    Most Notable users: Stoutland (Superpower)



    Resisted by one pokemon:

    Dragon/Fire



    Resisted by: (Flash Fire Heatran)
    Most Notable User: Garchomp (Fire Fang), Salamence (Fire Blast), Dragonite (Fire Pwnch)



    Dragon/Fighting:

    Resisted by: (Wonder Guard Shedinja)
    Most Notable Users: Dragonite (Superpower)




    Resisted by Less than Five Pokemon


    Dark/Fighting:

    Resisted by: (Toxicroak, Heracross)
    Third Type Coverage: Psychic, Flying, Fire, Ground

    Most Notable Users: Scrafty, Lucario, Zoroark, Conkeldurr, Hydreigon, Machamp



    Dragon/Water:

    Resisted by: (Empoleon, Shedinja, Ferrothorn)
    Complete Coverage: Fire

    Most Notable Users: Kingdra, Palkia, Latios, Hydreigon, Dragonite



    Flying/Water:


    Resisted by: (Lanturn, Empoleon, Rotom-W)
    Third Type Coverage: Grass

    Most Notable Users: Gyarados, Dragonite (Aqua Jet, Waterfall, Hurricane, Surf, etc.)



    Dragon/Ground:

    Resisted by: (Skarmory, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja)
    Third Type Coverage: Fire

    Most Notable Users: Garchomp, Haxorus, Flygon, Salamence, Kyurem (Earth Power)



    Flying/Fighting:


    Resisted by: (Zapdos, Rotom-S, Thundurus, Emolga)
    Third Type Coverage: Rock

    Most Notable Users: Tornadus (Hammer Arm, Superpower), Thundrus (Focus Blast, Superpower)




    Resisted by Less than Ten
    Pokemon



    Dragon/Electric:

    Resisted by: (Magnezone, Steelix, Shedinja, Excadrill, Ferrothorn)
    Third Type Coverage: Fire

    Most Notable User: Zekrom, Kyurem-B



    Ground/Rock
    aka EdgeQuake:

    Resisted by: (Flygon, Torterra, Virizion, Levitate Bronzong, Claydol, Breloom)
    Third Type Coverage: Fire

    Most Notable Users: Excadrill, Landorus, Aerodactyl, Rhyperior, Golem, Onix, Dugtrio



    Rock/Fighting:

    Resisted by: (Claydol, Gallade, Golurk, Medicham, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Toxicroak)
    Third Coverage Type: Ground

    Most Notable Users: Terrakion, Mienshao (Stone Edge), Machamp, Virizion (Stone Edge)



    Ice/Ground:

    Resisted by: (Surskit, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja, Rotom-W, Rotom-F, Rotom-H, Cryogonal)
    Third Type Coverage: Ghost

    Most Notable Users: Mamoswine, Donphan (Ice Shard), Kyurem (Earth Power)



    Ice/Electric
    aka BoltBeam:


    Resisted by: (Magnezone, Volt Absorb Lanturn, Shedinja, Rotom-F, Rotom-H, Thick Fat Mamoswine, Lightning Rod Seaking)
    Third Type Coverage: Fire

    Most Notable Users: Starmie, Rotom-F, Porygon2/Z, Thunderus, Lanturn, Zapdos, Electivire, Jolteon, Raikou, Genesect, any Electric-type that runs HP Ice




    Normal/Ground
    :


    Resisted by: (Drifblim, Mismagius, Gengar, Aerodactyl, Skarmory, Bronzong, Rotom-S)
    Third Coverage Type: Fire

    Most Notable User: Excadrill (Frustration)



    Normal/Water:

    Resisted by: (Jellicent, Empoleon, Ferrothorn, Shedinja, Storm Drain Cradily, Dialga, Giratina)
    Third Coverage Type: Ground

    Most Notable User: Bibarel, Samurott, Feraligatr



    Dark/Ground:


    Resisted by: (Shiftry, Cacturne, Honchcrow, Heracross, Breloom, Skarmory, Virizion, Hydreigon)
    Third Type Coverage: Ice, Fire

    Most Notable Users: Krookodile, Dugtrio (Sucker Punch)


  2. Cuiv

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    Shedinja is immune to Normal/Water as well.
  3. fudgy

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    rotom-heat form also resists bolt/beam
  4. X5Dragon

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    Alright thanks guys, anymore suggestions is appreciated! I'm also making it easier to read by adding graphics and line breaks..
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    heatran and bibarel beat ghost/fire
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    Thundurus and Emonga resist Flying/Ground too.
  7. NDenizen

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    On the subject of "Resisted by less than 10 pokemon:", it might be worth highlighting the OU/UU pokemon that do resist the rarer type combos, since there is a likelihood their higher usage will lend to their resistances. That then helps with finding ways of dealing with those pokemon too, either with a third coverage move or team synergy in general. Maybe split that list into two, as well.

    You could also add third coverage types?

    (this is a tad subjective so apologies)

    _ _ _

    Less than Five

    Dark/Fighting: (Toxicroak, Heracross)
    Third Type Coverage: Psychic, Flying, Fire*

    Dragon/Water: (Empoleon, Shedinja, Ferrothorn)
    Complete Coverage: Fire

    Normal/Water: (Jellicent, Empoleon, Ferrothorn, Shedinja)

    Dragon/Ground: (Skarmory, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja)
    Third Type Coverage: Fire

    Dragon/Electric: (Magnezone, Steelix, Shedinja, Excadrill)
    Third Type Coverage: Fire

    Flying/Water:
    (Lanturn, Empoleon, Rotom-W)
    Third Type Coverage: Grass

    Less than Ten

    Ice/Electric aka BoltBeam: (Magnezone, Lanturn, Shedinja, Rotom-F, Rotom-H)

    Ice/Ground: (Surskit, Levitate Bronzong, Shedinja, Rotom-W, Rotom-F)
    Third Type Coverage: Ghost

    Flying/Fighting: (Zapdos, Rotom, Rotom-F, Thundurus, Emolga)
    Third Type Coverage: Rock

    Ghost/Fire: (Houndoom, Tyranitar, Sharpedo, Crawdaunt, Heatran, Bibarel)
    Third Type Coverage: Fighting, Rock, Ground

    Dark/Ground: (Shiftry, Cacturne, Honchcrow, Heracross, Breloom, Skarmory)
    Third Type Coverage: Ice, Fire

    Ground/Rock: (Flygon, Torterra, Virizion, Levitate Bronzong, Claydol, Breloom)

    Ice/Fighting: (Chandelure, Volcarona, Jellicent, Froslass, Slowbro, Slowking, Tentacruel, Qwilfish)
    Third Type Coverage: Ground, Rock

    Flying/Ground: (Zapdos, Aerodactyl, Skarmory, Bronzong, Rotom, Solrock, Lunatone, Rotom-M, Rotom-H, Rotom-W)
    _ _ _

    Not sure if that helps.
  8. -Tsunami-

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    Just wondering, on Flying/Ground, what is Rotom-M?
    Rotom-W and Rotom-F resist it too.

    Also, Cradily resists Water/Normal because of Storm Drain.
  9. StallMandibuzz

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    Ferrothorn resists both Dragon and Electric too.
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    Thick Fat Mamoswine and Lightningrod Seaking resist Electric/Ice.
  11. Charizard92

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    http://masara.byethost15.com/SilverlightDmgCalcTestPage.html

    Notice in the bottom right hand corner of that web page, theres a "coverage calculator"

    put the move combos in that you want, and it'll show what resists it.

    EDIT: it doesn't account for all abilities, but the well known ones it does (it gets lanturn, but not thick fat mamo, as well as wonder guard)

    Also, I think shedinja should be left out for resisting a tonne of two-type combos.
  12. WinstonShnozwick

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    I've found that Dark + Fire (from mons like hydriegon and zoroark) is quite a potent combo. Dark hits many things neutrally, as well as psychic and ghost super. And fire hits the things that resist dark like steel.
  13. Charizard92

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    still resisted by heatran, but both those mons get focus blast anyway.
  14. WinstonShnozwick

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    Focus blast also deals with Tyranitar and Houndoom which both resist Dark+Fire as well.
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    Rotom-M is every Rotom forme. Though the standard for that is Rotom-A.
  16. Thorhammer

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    Rotom-C doesn't resist Flying/Ground.
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    Are we listing Ubers too? Because Dialga and Giratina both resist Normal/Water, but aren't listed.
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    Rock/Fighting:

    Claydol, Gallade, Golurk, Medicham, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Toxicroak
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    Notable users (list is by no means complete:

    Ghost/Fighting:
    Gengar

    Dragon/Fire:
    Reshiram

    Dragon/Fighting:
    ?

    Dark/Fighting:
    That dude in LC that got a lot of attention I forget the name

    Dragon/Water:
    Kingdra, Palkia

    Normal/Water:
    Bibarel (lol)

    Dragon/Ground:
    Garchomp

    Dragon/Electric:
    Zekrom

    Flying/Water:
    Gyarados (?)

    Ice/Electric:
    Starmie, Rotom-F

    Ice/Ground:
    Mamoswine

    Flying/Fighting:
    ?

    Ghost/Fire:
    ?

    Dark/Ground:
    Krookodile

    Ground/Rock:
    A bunch

    Ice/Fighting:
    ?

    Flying/Ground:
    Gliscor

    By the way, no Fighting/Rock?
  20. NijaSkills

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    I'll add a few, off the top of my head. Some are really only notable in lower tiers.
    Fighting/Rock:
    Terrakion, Mienshao (Stone Edge), Machamp, Virizion (Stone Edge)
  21. Mygavolt

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    Starmie, Victini, Shedinja, and Thick Fat Grumpig also resist Ice+Fight; therefore, it does not have less than 10 resistances.

    Also, Scrappy Normal+Fight is unresisted bar Shedinja. I'm just saying.
  22. Metal Bagon

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    For someone who is relatively new to smogon, this is excelent.
  23. bluemon

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    i SWEAR there was a thread just like this.
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    Looking forward to its completion
  25. Chieliee

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    you mean 3 more threads

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