iirc we haven't began votingIm pretty sure we all agreed on expert belt palkia if anyone can remember. And i've used dd quaza on a sun team and he did work i would love to use him. But than we would be type stacking dragons which is very dangerous in ubers
I dont mean to be rude or anything jack but idt anyone would be stupid enough to send quaza in to spam outrage with loitering steel types or terrakion other than me XD. But u do make a valid point. And +2 quaza can outspeed. Jolly +1 will too i believe.252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rayquaza: 356-420 (101.42 - 119.65%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Terrakion will easily take out any Rayquaza that isn't at +2 or above, so while we'll probably have to sack something to get it in we certainly won't get swept by it.
i thought we picked palkia as a team member? and terrakion can take out quaza but if we run adamant scarf than jolly scarf quaza WILL outspeed us and take us out with an outrageDD Rayquaza = lots of butthurt for unprepared teams, but if Terrakion can semi-reliably revenge kill it (I'm saying this because of Stone Edge's questionable accuracy) then I don't think we have to worry about it that much. Also, let's move forward on the premises that we've only picked Deoxys-S, Terrakion, and Latios. Typestacking on Dragons will probably be a problem (though if it works out well in a match, it's a plus), but since we've only picked one Dragon-type so far, two Dragons is not necessarily typestacking.
This is the set I'm presuming we're using? Anyway, our Terrakion is Jolly so no need to be worrying about being outsped by +1 DD Rayquaza. But Toxic seems a bit situational but okay I guess. Could be replaced by Sacred Sword for BU Dialga but that's pretty rare I guess.Actually wanted to submit Dialga but too late so:
Damn it I keep changing my mind
Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- X-Scissor
- Toxic
It can utterly smashes Chansey, Blissey and standard uber Ferrothorn. It also easily switches into CM Darkceus, and can switch into anything bar WoW on the support set, then rape it with CC. Rockceus and Steelceus are in a similar position, but Terrakion cannot switch into Steelceus. EKiller may set up on Latios, especially one at -2, but is revenged by Terrakion. Ho-oh is wiped from existance by Stone Edge, and outspeeds and OHKOs ScarfDialga. Kabutops, which outspeeds and threatens Latios with Stone Edge, is outsped and OHKOed with CC if not running Jolly. Heatran, another pokemon that walls Latios, is also OHKOed by CC. Terrakion pisses T-tar off. Terrakion also lures out Giratina, which is promptly murdered by Latios. Lugia is also lured out and poisoned badly, crippling it badly for thr rest of the match.
If we run 252 SpAtk on Ghostceus,it can OHKO most Ho-oh variants at +1 after Stealth Rocks.Rayquaza can hit it hard,Latios can do the same with Psyshock,Terrakion can revenge kill with stone edge.Ho-oh won't be to much of a problem.cm ghostceus seems better than SD ghostceus lol, far less counters but unfortunately that makes Ho-oh a large dick to deal with, since nothing that deal damage can come in
Shadow force > shadow claw versions of sd ghostceus curbstomps our current team since terrakion does little to nothing against it.SD Ghostceus may seem to be the more offensive variant at first glance but you have to remember that physical Ghostceus rely on pathetic 70/75 base power moves. In fact, with the same investment in atk/spatk CM Ghostceus hits harder than SD Ghostceus. (100*1.5=150 vs 70*2=140) Plus, CM Ghostceus has better synergy with Latios as it'll punish any fool who thinks he can play prediction games with Chansey to beat the blue dragon.
(Since Kyogre was mentioned a bit, don't forget that SD Ray can setup after a Kyogre kill thanks to Air Lock + Resist while Latios has Soul Dew to let it serve as a nice check.)
Obviously this is from the analysis so I will break it down.Originally Posted by Fat Smogon
Checks and Counters
Darkrai is an excellent counter to both offensive variants of Ghost Arceus. It resists Arceus's STAB Judgment and can put Arceus to sleep with a speedy Dark Void, assuming Ghost Arceus lacks Magic Coat; it can also KO Arceus outright with a Dark Pulse coming off its frightening base 135 Special Attack. Dark Arceus is also a good counter thanks to its Ghost resistance, but it will loathe a boosted Focus Blast. Tyranitar is a good counter to Ghost Arceus if the latter lacks Focus Blast, but note that Focus Blast will not OHKO Tyranitar anyway, while Choice Band Crunch will send Ghost Arceus to its grave. Skarmory stops the Swords Dance set in its tracks. It resists Shadow Force, shrugs off Brick Break, and can use Toxic to cripple Arceus and Roost off the damage, or phaze Arceus out with Whirlwind. Ferrothorn is also a good counter to Swords Dance Ghost Arceus, resisting its STAB and crippling it with Thunder Wave and Leech Seed or denting it with Gyro Ball; Ferrothorn must watch out for Brick Break though.
Blissey and Chansey can wall the Calm Mind and defensive sets with their stubby little arms tied behind their backs; they can Toxic Arceus and heal themselves up with Softboiled. In general, Ghost Arceus despises poison as it takes away Arceus's great bulk and reduces its longevity. Ho-Oh is also a good check thanks to its mammoth Special Defense, which in conjunction with its resistance to Focus Blast, lets it laugh off Ghost Arceus's attacks. Due to its great Attack stat, Ho-Oh can also 2HKO Ghost Arceus with Sacred Fire if the sun is up. With its base 140 Special Defense, Calm Mind Kyogre can take a Judgment after a Calm Mind, and can proceed to KO Ghost Arceus with a rain-boosted Surf. In fact, Choice Scarf Kyogre can revenge kill most variants of Ghost Arceus.
If you are using a hazard poke then you should have a spinblocker. Since this is an offensive team, Gira-A is out of the question. I'd like to suggest
SD Ghostceus
Adamant
50 HP 252 Atk 216 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Claw/Shadow Force
- Brick Break
- Extremespeed
Unlike its CM counterpart, it applies pressure with just one set up turn (SD). It also bypasses some faster threats with Espeed+hazards. Also, the two bulkier def walls (Lugia and Gira-A) are weak to its STAB. Groudon doesn't have reliable recovery so even if a +2 Shadow Claw does around 40ish% it allows for other physical sweepers to have an easier time later on. The set provided is the one I'm more comfortable with, if it gets accepted I can see the set getting changed but I don't really care.
darkrai was mentioned twice, and I don't understand youObviously this is from the analysis so I will break it down.
(Keep in mind that there may be other possible checks/counters *perhaps* that aren't included)
These are the pokemon listed that can beat...
~CM Arceus-Ghost
-Darkrai (probably our best bet if we're really that concerned about Arceus-Ghost)
-Tyranitar(weather)
-Blissey (loses offensive momentum)
-Chansey (loses offensive momentum)
-Ho-oh (requires a spinner and semi-reliant on weather)
-Kyogre(weather)
~SD Arceus-Ghost
-Darkrai (probably our best bet if we're really that concerned about Arceus-Ghost)
-Tyranitar(weather)
-Skarmory (loses offensive momentum)
-Ferrothorn (loses offensive momentum)
If we're worried about CM Arceus-Ghost, then perhaps we could look at Dialga again? Dialga forces Arceus-Ghost into using Focus Blast, which is extremely unreliable, and if they have no boosts, can phaze it out. 4 SpA Arceus-Ghost Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 200 SpD Dialga: 168-198 (41.58 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO is okay I guess but keep in mind that Focus Blast has a 49% chance of hitting twice in succession. Furthermore, Dialga can support the team by spamming Roar and taking advantage of the hazards set by Deoxys-S. This also draws in Fighting and Ground type attacks that Latios can take advantage of. However, for this round, I will most likely advocate for SD Arceus-Ghost.