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Umbreon [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Ace Emerald, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. Ace Emerald

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    [Overview]

    <p>Umbreon has a reliable niche as the best cleric in UU. It uses its great Special Defense to wall common special attackers, and it can support its team by clearing status with Heal Bell and restoring HP with Wish. However, Umbreon's sparse movepool and terrible offensive stats prevent it from filling any other role. Fighting-type Pokemon are common in UU, and they constantly threaten Umbreon. Furthermore, Umbreon's lack of offensive pressure means that many setup sweepers, such as Nasty Plot Togekiss, can use it as setup bait. Still, Umbreon is the best at what it does, and it can ensure its teammates stay healthy throughout the match.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Wish Support
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Foul Play
    move 3: Heal Bell / Toxic / Yawn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Synchronize
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set capitalizes on Umbreon's team-supporting potential. Umbreon can switch into many special attackers in the tier and can comfortably use one of its team-supporting moves. Wish can restore 197 HP to a teammate and keeps Umbreon's team in a good fighting condition. Foul Play is Umbreon's best attacking option, as even special attackers like Raikou and Zapdos have higher Attack stats than Umbreon. Furthermore, Foul Play can deal significant damage to physical attackers that try to exploit Umbreon's lower Defense stat. It OHKOes Darmanitan after Stealth Rock damage, 2HKOes all Flygon, and can even score a solid 3HKO on Choice Scarf Heracross. The ability to remove status with Heal Bell is very useful, as it can give a crippled sweeper a second chance to sweep. This also works very well with Synchronize, as Umbreon can heal its status condition after inflicting it on the opponent. However, Umbreon can trade the ability to clear status for the ability to inflict it with Toxic. Between Wish and Protect, Umbreon can quickly build up Toxic damage and wear down Pokemon that can't deal significant damage to it. Yawn can shuffle the opponent's team and can render a Pokemon useless for the remainder of the match. Protect allows Umbreon to scout the opponent's next move, take better advantage of Wish and Yawn by negating the charging turn, and build up Toxic damage. However, if your opponent predicts your Protect turn, they could use it to set up a sweep.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs on this set allow Umbreon to be a reasonably effective special wall, which is how it switches into battle to support its team. Pursuit can be used in the third moveslot to trap special attackers with a weakness to Dark-type attacks, such as Chandelure and Azelf, but Umbreon's poor Attack makes this ineffective. Moonlight can be used to instantly restore HP, but it detracts from Umbreon's role as a team supporter. Umbreon should be paired with Pokemon that resist the Fighting-type attacks that are often aimed at it. Crobat is one of the safest switches into the common Fighting-types of the tier, Heracross and Mienshao. Defensive Ghost-types like Sableye and Cofagrigus also counter Fighting-types effectively and can drain the offensive pressure Fighting-types put on Umbreon. Slowbro and Mew can check Fighting-types, but they also lose to Heracross, one of the biggest threats in the tier. Using Umbreon alongside a Fighting-type of your own is also effective, as Steel-types such as Cobalion and Bisharp may try to take advantage of their Dark-type resistance to start a sweep, and the former can even gain an attack boost via Justified if it switches into Foul Play. Heracross is a good partner as it can provide some much needed offensive pressure for Umbreon's team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Umbreon can try to sweep with Curse, but it's outclassed in this role by Scrafty and Snorlax. Even with a Curse under its belt, Umbreon is threatened by strong Fighting-types. They can still deal significant damage with their STAB moves, and they resist Umbreon's Dark-type STAB. Mean Look can be used to trap an opponent and Toxic stall it, but Umbreon will often trap a switch-in and the turn will have been wasted. Umbreon has Baton Pass, but it is slow and has nothing worthwhile to pass. Inner Focus is next to useless, as the primary flinch user, Togekiss, can boost its Special Attack with Nasty Plot to overwhelm Umbreon.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Umbreon is checked by most Fighting-types and many Steel-types. Mienshao and Heracross can both switch into Umbreon and hit it with powerful STAB moves. Scrafty can switch into Umbreon and set up with Dragon Dance or Bulk Up. Cobalion receives an Attack boost when hit with Foul Play, and can set up Swords Dance or Stealth Rock. Durant and Escavalier can both stomach a hit from Foul Play and the former can start a sweep with Hone Claws, while the latter can use powerful STAB moves. Bisharp can use Umbreon as setup bait for Swords Dance, and it can also set up a Substitute to ease prediction. Any setup sweeper that doesn't fear Foul Play can set up on Umbreon if it lacks Toxic. Although it can't KO Umbreon, Roserade can switch into it and start setting up Spikes layers. Taunt users, such as Crobat and Gligar, can prevent Umbreon from healing and can slowly weaken it. Strong physical attackers can take advantage of Umbreon's lower Defense stat, but they must watch out for Foul Play, which can deal significant damage if they don't resist it.</p>
  2. Alfalfa

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    Yeah, basically say that Umbreon is a team supporter. I basically think that the moveset needs to be updated with Foul Play.
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    "- Stall's answer to Togekiss if it runs Inner Focus."

    And what exactly are you planning on doing to Togekiss with that moveset? It will just get to +6 and 2hko you (or wear you down over time if you try to wish / protect, since +6 air slash from 0 spa kiss does 58% minimum and air slash has 32 PP). Immunity to flinch doesn't matter, Togekiss still kicks your ass. Inner Focus is useless, whereas Synchronize and Heal Bell have great synergy.
  4. EonADS

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    Alright, clearly I forgot about Nasty Plot when I said that. Removed.

    Also, A dude, please check the second slash on the second moveslot. Foul Play is right there.
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    Remove Inner Focus as a slash btw, a mention in OO is enough.
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    what's really the reason to use Payback? Foul Play is almost always better.
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    cim's right

    It might seem like Payback is more reliable, but Foul Play is almost always better. It actually outdamages 100BP Payback versus Raikou(Foul Play(34.89 - 41.43%) vs (29.9 - 35.51%). It's because Umbreon's own attack stat is garbage, so its pretty much stronger against every Special Attacker in UU, and can actually fuck up some Physical attackers neutral to dark that may switch in. (and since they're usually the type of Pokemon that switch in, Foul Play is more attractive).

    Make Foul Play the only move option and mention Payback in AC.
  8. Alfalfa

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    I really see that Heal Bell / Toxic should be Heal Bell / Toxic / Yawn. While Toxic can hit Porygon2, Blastoise, Hitmontop, and Slowbro, Yawn is an effective surprise factor on anything like Cobalion, Gligar, Bronzong, Bisharp, or others that try to switch in on Umbreon and use it as setup bait.
  9. cim

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    Not sure if you're still working on this but Yawn is a totally acceptable option in the moveset. It has decent synergy with Protect and forcing a switch often gets me a free Wish or Foul Play.

    IMO This should be the moveset:
    [SET]
    name: Wish Support
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Foul Play
    move 3: Heal Bell / Toxic / Yawn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Synchronize
    nature: Calm (might as well do less damage to yourself in confusion)
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD


    Yawn is especially great against last Pokemon scenarios and it actually threatens the Fighting types that Umbreon lures out.
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    Doesn't Calm nature hinder Foul Play's attack power? Sure, it is based on the opponent's attack, but it also depends on the user's iirc

    Also, Yawn is good
  11. citro

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    Nope.
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    Go with cim's set.
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    Also it seems EonADS has died, do I'm also letting someone else take over this.

    Let me know if you want to.
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    GP check. Nice job on writing this! Only thing I noticed more than once was Umbreon being spelled Umberon, but that's not that big a deal. Anyway:
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    [Overview]
    <p>Umberon Umbreon has a reliable niche as the best cleric in the tier. It uses its great Special Defense to wall common special attackers and from there supports its team, clearing status with Heal Bell and restoring HP with Wish. However, Umbreon's sparse movepool and terrible offensive stats prevent him it from doing any more. Fighting-type Pokemon are common in UU (add comma) and they constantly threaten Umberon Umbreon. Furthermore, Umberon's Umbreon's lack of offensive pressure means many set up sweepers, such as Nasty Plot Togekiss, can use it as set up setup bait. Still, Umbreon is the best at what it does (add comma) and it can ensure its teammates stay healthy throughout the match.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Wish Support
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Foul Play
    move 3: Heal Bell / Toxic / Yawn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Synchronize
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set capitalizes on Umbreon's team supporting potential. Umbreon can switch into many special attackers in the tier, (remove comma) and (add comma) from there (add comma) use one of its team supporting moves. Wish can restore 197 Hit Points to a teammate and effectively keeps Umbreon's team in good fighting condition. Foul Play is Umbreon's best attacking option, as even special attackers like Raikou and Zapdos have higher Attack stats than Umbreon. Furthermore, Foul Play can deal significant damage to physical attackers that try to exploit Umbreon's lower Defense stat. It OHKOs OHKOes Darmanitan after Stealth Rock damage, 2HKOs 2HKOes all Flygon, and can even score a solid 3HKO on Choice Scarf Heracross. The ability to remove status with Heal Bell is very useful, as it can give a crippled sweeper a second chance to sweep. However, Umbreon can trade the ability to clear status for the ability to inflict it with Toxic. Between Wish and Protect, Umbreon allows can quickly build up Toxic damage to build and can stall Pokemon that can't deal significant damage to Umberon it. Yawn can shuffle the opponent's team, (remove comma) and can render a Pokemon useless for the remainder of the match. Protect allows Umberon Umbreon to scout the opponent's next move, take better advantage of Wish and Yawn by negating the charging turn, and let build up Toxic damage build.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EVs on this set allow Umbreon to be a reasonably effective special wall, which is how it switches into battle to support its team. Pursuit can be used in the third moveslot to trap special attackers with a weakness to Dark-type attacks, such as Chandelure and Azelf, but Umbreon's poor Attack makes this ineffective. Moonlight can be used to instantly restore HP, but it detracts from Umbreon's role as a team supporter. Umbreon should be paired with Pokemon that the resist the Fighting-type attacks that are often aimed at it. Crobat is one of the safest switches into the common Fighting-types of the tier, Heracross and Mienshao. Defensive Ghost-types like Sableye and Cofagrigus also counter Fighting-types effectively and they can drain the offensive pressure Fighting-types have against put on Umbreon. Slowbro and Mew can check Fighting-types, but they also lose to Heracross, one of the biggest threats in the tier. Using Umbreon alongside a Fighting-type of your own is also effective, and as Steel-types such as Cobalion and Bisharp may try to take advantage of their Dark-type resistance to take Umbreon down (or a phrasing of your choosing you prefer). Heracross is a good partner as it can provide some much needed offensive pressure to for Umbreon's team.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Umbreon can try to sweep with Curse, but it's this is outclassed by Scrafty and Snorlax. Even with a Curse under its belt, Umbreon is threatened by strong Fighting-types. They can still deal significant damage with their STAB moves, and they resist Umbreon's Dark-type STAB. Mean Look can be used to trap an opponent and Toxic stall it, but Umbreon will often trap a switch-in and the turn will have been wasted. Umbreon has Baton Pass, but it is slow and has nothing worthwhile to pass. Inner Focus is next to useless, as the primary flinch abuser user, Togekiss, can boost its Special Attack with Nasty Plot to overwhelm Umbreon.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Umbreon is checked by most Fighting-types and many Steel-types. Mienshao and Heracross can both switch into Umbreon and start spamming powerful STAB moves. Scrafty can switch into Umbreon and set up with Dragon Dance or Bulk Up. Cobalion receives an Attack boost when hit with Foul Play and can set up Swords Dance or Stealth Rock. Durant and Escavalier can both stomach a hit from Foul Play (add comma) and the former can start a sweep with Hone Claws, while the latter can start using powerful STAB moves. Bisharp can use Umbreon to start a Swords Dance sweep, or set up a Substitute to ease prediction. Any set up sweeper that doesn't fear Foul Play can set up on Umbreon if it lacks Toxic. Although it can't KO Umbreon, Roserade can switch into it and start setting up Spikes layers. Taunt users, such as Crobat and Gligar, can prevent Umbreon from healing and can slowly weaken it. Strong physical attackers can take advantage of Umbreon's lower Defense stat, but they must watch out for Foul Play, which can deal significant damage if they don't resist it.</p>


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  19. Ace Emerald

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    Implemented, don't know how I keep misspelling Umbreon @.@
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    [Overview]

    <p>Umbreon has a reliable niche as the best cleric in UU. It uses its great Special Defense to wall common special attackers, and it can support its team by clearing status with Heal Bell and restoring HP with Wish. However, Umbreon's sparse movepool and terrible offensive stats prevent it from filling any other role. Fighting-type Pokemon are common in UU, and they constantly threaten Umbreon. Furthermore, Umbreon's lack of offensive pressure means that many setup sweepers, such as Nasty Plot Togekiss, can use it as setup bait. Still, Umbreon is the best at what it does, and it can ensure its teammates stay healthy throughout the match.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Wish Support
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Foul Play
    move 3: Heal Bell / Toxic / Yawn
    move 4: Protect
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Synchronize
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set capitalizes on Umbreon's team-supporting potential. Umbreon can switch into many special attackers in the tier and can comfortably use one of its team-supporting moves. Wish can restore 197 HP to a teammate and keeps Umbreon's team in a good fighting condition. Foul Play is Umbreon's best attacking option, as even special attackers like Raikou and Zapdos have higher Attack stats than Umbreon. Furthermore, Foul Play can deal significant damage to physical attackers that try to exploit Umbreon's lower Defense stat. It OHKOes Darmanitan after Stealth Rock damage, 2HKOes all Flygon, and can even score a solid 3HKO on Choice Scarf Heracross. The ability to remove status with Heal Bell is very useful, as it can give a crippled sweeper a second chance to sweep (you should mention how synchronize + heal bell means that no one will want to status Umbreon). However, Umbreon can trade the ability to clear status for the ability to inflict it with Toxic. Between Wish and Protect, Umbreon can quickly build up Toxic damage and wear down Pokemon that can't deal significant damage to it. Yawn can shuffle the opponent's team and can render a Pokemon useless for the remainder of the match. Protect allows Umbreon to scout the opponent's next move, take better advantage of Wish and Yawn by negating the charging turn, and build up Toxic damage (you may want to mention the cons of Protect such as giving your opponent a free turn to set up).</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs on this set allow Umbreon to be a reasonably effective special wall, which is how it switches into battle to support its team. Pursuit can be used in the third moveslot to trap special attackers with a weakness to Dark-type attacks, such as Chandelure and Azelf, but Umbreon's poor Attack makes this ineffective. Moonlight can be used to instantly restore HP, but it detracts from Umbreon's role as a team supporter. Umbreon should be paired with Pokemon that resist the Fighting-type attacks that are often aimed at it. Crobat is one of the safest switches into the common Fighting-types of the tier, Heracross and Mienshao. Defensive Ghost-types like Sableye and Cofagrigus also counter Fighting-types effectively and can drain the offensive pressure Fighting-types put on Umbreon. Slowbro and Mew can check Fighting-types, but they also lose to Heracross, one of the biggest threats in the tier. Using Umbreon alongside a Fighting-type of your own is also effective, as Steel-types such as Cobalion and Bisharp may try to take advantage of their Dark-type resistance to start a sweep (id mention Justified). Heracross is a good partner as it can provide some much needed offensive pressure for Umbreon's team.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Umbreon can try to sweep with Curse, but it's outclassed in this role by Scrafty and Snorlax. Even with a Curse under its belt, Umbreon is threatened by strong Fighting-types. They can still deal significant damage with their STAB moves, and they resist Umbreon's Dark-type STAB. Mean Look can be used to trap an opponent and Toxic stall it, but Umbreon will often trap a switch-in and the turn will have been wasted. Umbreon has Baton Pass, but it is slow and has nothing worthwhile to pass. Inner Focus is next to useless, as the primary flinch user, Togekiss, can boost its Special Attack with Nasty Plot to overwhelm Umbreon.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Umbreon is checked by most Fighting-types and many Steel-types. Mienshao and Heracross can both switch into Umbreon and hit it with powerful STAB moves. Scrafty can switch into Umbreon and set up with Dragon Dance or Bulk Up. Cobalion receives an Attack boost when hit with Foul Play, and can set up Swords Dance or Stealth Rock. Durant and Escavalier can both stomach a hit from Foul Play and the former can start a sweep with Hone Claws, while the latter can use powerful STAB moves. Bisharp can use Umbreon as setup bait for Swords Dance, and it can also set up a Substitute to ease prediction. Any setup sweeper that doesn't fear Foul Play can set up on Umbreon if it lacks Toxic. Although it can't KO Umbreon, Roserade can switch into it and start setting up Spikes layers. Taunt users, such as Crobat and Gligar, can prevent Umbreon from healing and can slowly weaken it. Strong physical attackers can take advantage of Umbreon's lower Defense stat, but they must watch out for Foul Play, which can deal significant damage if they don't resist it.</p>


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