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OU Umbreon

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by Swamp Link, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. Swamp Link

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    Overview
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    The original Dark-type, Umbreon has struggled to distinguish itself in OU in past generations, but the nature of the metagame has given Umbreon a more defined niche than before. Umbreon has a huge amount of bulk, being very resilient both physically and specially. It's not setup bait either, as Foul Play is a threatening move to many physical attackers. Umbreon is also able to offer great team support as a cleric with Wish and Heal Bell, and it can switch into status moves with ease, while not being crippled due to Heal Bell and punishing the opponent with Synchronize. Umbreon's bulk allows it to often avoid a 2HKO from even strong coverage moves like Focus Blast and Sacred Sword, making it a strong check or counter to many offensive Psychic- and Ghost-types.

    However, there are still factors that make Umbreon's life quite difficult in OU. It's weak to U-turn, and while it can actually take non-STAB U-turns fairly well, the opponent can pick up momentum on it with ease because of this. The omnipresent Fighting-types also switch into Umbreon very easily, especially Terrakion, which has Justified to take advantage of Foul Play. Finally, Umbreon faces a lot of competition for its role. Mandibuzz is another defensive Dark-type that uses Foul Play, but it also possesses a secondary typing that makes it neutral to Fighting- and Bug-type moves, as well as access to Defog; Blissey or Chansey are clerics with much more special bulk; and Sylveon has a better typing and more consistent offensive presence. Umbreon is the only Pokemon that can bring many of these different characteristics together, though. If you're looking for a special wall, give Umbreon a try, and it might be just what you're looking for.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Foul Play
    ability: Synchronize
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    nature: Calm

    Moves
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    This is Umbreon's best moveset, allowing it to support the team in many ways. Wish and Protect go hand-in-hand so that Umbreon can simultaneously support the team and have reliable recovery. Wish is especially helpful when using defensive Pokemon or tanks that lack recovery of their own such as Ferrothorn, Heatran, Landorus-T, Rotom-W, Tentacruel, and Aegislash. Protect is also helpful on its own to check for Trick, scout for the attack of Choice users, and stall for Leftovers recovery. Heal Bell rids the team of all status, helping sweepers crippled by burn or paralysis as well as walls affected by Toxic. Foul Play is very important, heavily damaging many physical attackers hoping to switch into Umbreon, as well as the Psychic- and Ghost-types that it walls. While these four moves are almost always the best options, a few other moves are usable. Baton Pass can be used to allow Umbreon to use Wish, take a hit and switch to a Pokemon to be healed, keeping up momentum. Toxic can hurt many defensive Pokemon that don't care about Foul Play. Moonlight can work as semi-reliable recovery if your team does not need Wish support. Yawn is also an option to force switches. If you choose to use Baton Pass, Toxic, or Yawn, they should be used over Heal Bell, as Foul Play and recovery are essential.

    Set Details
    ========

    A specially defensive spread is preferred as Umbreon's set of resistances lends it to special walling, while Fighting- and Bug-type moves are common on physical attackers. Leftovers is especially nice because with Wish and Protect, Umbreon will get back more than 50% with each cycle. Inner Focus is very situational in comparison to Synchronize, so Synchronize is superior.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Umbreon is best used on balanced teams that want a wall that can offer team support and be a good counter to a wide variety of Pokemon while keeping pressure with Foul Play. It's important to be conservative with Foul Play if your opponent has a Terrakion, though. If you're not sure what to do, Wish is a good way to keep momentum as it can allow your other Pokemon to switch into strong attackers without being crippled. Although it is a special wall, Umbreon is not scared of many physical attackers, in particular non-STAB U-turns, so don't be afraid to stay in on them. Use Wish often, as Umbreon is slow and something will usually appreciate the recovery. Umbreon is also a great way to deal with Aegislash, as even a Choice Band-boosted Sacred Sword will never OHKO and Foul Play will deal heavy damage and is not affected by King's Shield's Attack drops

    Team Options
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    Sturdy physical walls such as Skarmory, Gliscor, Landorus-T, and Hippowdon to take on Fighting-types are good partners, because Umbreon will give those Fighting-types ample switch-in opportunities. Conkeldurr is a great fit on the balanced teams that Umbreon thrives on and appreciates the Wish support. If Scizor gets in on Umbreon safely, something needs to be able to take the U-turn. Heatran, Gyarados, and Landorus-T are all good choices that also appreciate Wish support. Fairy-type Pokemon also have an easy time switching into Umbreon, so a Poison- or Steel-type is appreciated. Aegislash has good synergy with Umbreon and appreciates the support to improve its longevity. Mega Venusaur also enjoys the Heal Bell support as it is commonly afflicted by a burn and can handle many Fairy- and Fighting-types like Sylveon, Conkeldurr, and Keldeo. Setup sweepers can boost more easily on Umbreon than other walls by predicting around Protect, so it is necessary to be able to stop these. Foul Play can take care of many physical setup sweepers, though.

    Other Options
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    Curse and Payback have been options on Umbreon for a long time, providing a long-term win condition that is near-impossible to take down once set up. Setting up is very difficult though, as Bug-, Fighting-, and Fairy-type attacks are all common. Mean Look can be used with Toxic for Umbreon to trap and eliminate defensive Pokemon, but they are not useful often enough for it to be worth the moveslots on Umbreon.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Fighting-types**: Terrakion is the best switch-in as it can destroy Umbreon with Close Combat, set up with Swords Dance or Rock Polish, and gets an Attack boost from Foul Play. All Fighting-types switch in fairly easily, though, including Conkeldurr, Breloom, and Lucario.

    **Defensive Pokemon**: Any defensive Pokemon that takes little from Foul Play, such as Mandibuzz, Blissey, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Hippowdon, can easily handle Umbreon, although the problem usually isn't Umbreon, but the support that it provides to the team.

    **Taunt**: Taunt shuts down Umbreon quite easily, although Foul Play is still dangerous. Skarmory and Mandibuzz are both good users of the move.

    **Bug-types**: Scizor and Volcarona can scare Umbreon out with their powerful Bug-type moves, but the former will take great damage from Foul Play.

    **Fairy-types**: Azumarill and Mega Mawile both take a pittance from Foul Play due to their resistance to the move, as well as Foul Play not factoring in Huge Power; in return they OHKO Umbreon with Play Rough. Specially based Fairy-types like Clefable and Gardevoir can set up or take Umbreon out as well.

    **Trick**: Tricking it a Choice item will make Umbreon next to useless. Latios and Rotom-W are usually easy switch-ins for Umbreon, but they can cripple it with Trick.

    **Landorus**: Landorus is a special attacker that can take down Umbreon with its powerful Focus Blast.
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  2. Tony Scimeca

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    i love the old curse/payback set. It only takes a few curses before umbreon is near unstoppable
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    Unfortunately this is just not true. Curse Umbreon suffers from a couple flaws. Firstly, it is very, very poor against any physical Fighting types, and there exist a fair number that are quite good in this Metagame. For example COnkeldurr is very popular, and if it switches in on Umbreon it beats it no matter what as Umbreon even at +6 does not do enough damage whil the constant Drain punching from conkeldurr will cause umbreon to run out of steam. Secondly, it is very weak and passive before a large number of boosts. At +1 it is incapable doing any kind of damage to various set up sweepers, for example MEga Pinsir is free to switch in on this set, and set up a swords dance or two on it. +4 umbreon is demolished by +4 Pinsir, while +4 Pinsir only takes ~75% from Payback. As well as this Pinsir is probably at +4 when Umbreon is at +3.

    Curseumbreon alos has PP issues with heal bell and moonlight being limited to 8. Basically, Curse umbreon is really deadly if hte opponent doesnt bring checks but in a meta where Lucario and Conkeldurr are very strong, as well as set up sweepers who can set up on it and just counter sweep being common I dont think its an efficient set.
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    Yeah, I'm not making Curse Umbreon a main set. In this meta, Fighting, Bug, and Fairy types that can force Umbreon are very common on both sides of the spectrum, and Umbreon's not a very frightening set-up sweeper. Phazers like Hippowdon and Skarmory are also very uncommon, and Umbreon is just very rarely going to be an effective win condition.
    I'd really like to get some feedback on this so it can be QC ready.
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    Whatever, I don't think there's anything more that this needs, so I'm putting the QC tag on.
    Bump.
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    This isn't really true. Umbreon's access to Foul Play/Dark typing/Synchronize are enough traits that differentiate itself from Blissey/Chansey. It's just like you mention in the usage tips; Umbreon can actually threaten Aegislash (among other physical attackers) while Blissey/Chansey cannot. That said, Umbreon does face some competition from Sylveon, and you should probably mention that in the overview. Again, Sylveon does not outclass Umbreon, rather, it's a different flavored Special Wall that's generally regarded as a better choice due to its typing.

    Be sure to change checks & counters to the right format.

    Baton Pass definitely deserves a mention in the "moves" section. Dry passing is a great way for Umbreon to scout for switches, and it usually guarantees Wishes.

    You should specifically mention teammates that can deal with threats (good luck finding a Pokemon can reliably take on NP Mega Lucario though! In this case, you should tell the reader to be wary of using Umbreon against a Mega Lucario user, since it's setup bait)

    Other than that, everything else checks out.
    QC (1/3)
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    Overview

    Change this to great mixed bulk, as Mandibuzz is bulkier in the physical side.

    Remove this, it's not big enough for overview.


    Other than that, great job!


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    QC APPROVED 2/3
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    Nitpicky but a few points I would like to make about the wording of the overview. Arceus-Dark is bulkier than Umbreon on both sides, the sentence needs to state that it is the overall bulkiest dark type allowed in OU. Actually, Mega-Tyranitar is bulkier on both sides as well factoring in the special defence boost it recieves from Sand Stream, the sentence needs to say bulkiest dark type allowed in OU without resorting to mega-evos. Also, wasn't Tyranitar a dark type in GSC as well? If so then it wasn't the original dark type because they were introduced at the same time.
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    Well, Umbreon is the first Dark-type by pokedex number, but you're correct about the bulk statement. I'll just change it to a lot of bulk.
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    Please mention Clefable and Mawile under checks and counters, things like Togekiss and Gardy are also worth mentioning as well -- just make a section dedicated to Fairies or something. Examples of Fighting-types in counters would be nice as well, doesn't hurt to list things like Conk, Mega Luke, and Keldeo.

    Not really sure if I'd mention Talonflame as a partner to something like Umbreon, and for the sole purpose of checking Mega Luke. Sure, Mega Lucario is a threat to Umbreon, but to run Talonflame just to check Lucario and then pass it off as a NOTEWORTHY teammate to Umbreon doesn't fly. Nix that mention and try something like Aegislash instead, it's a good partner to Umbreon. It can switch into Mega Lucario well than most things, and can beat it with Sacred Sword after tanking a hit. It is resistant to Fairy, so you can switch it into things like CB Azumarill on Play Rough / Superpower or Gardevoir. It's also helpful because Umbreon can pass Wishes or Heal Bell you if your Aegislash takes some crippling from things like Rotom-W and WoW.

    Mentions of Taunt users would be nice as well, off the top of my head Skarmory and Mandibuzz are good users of Taunt who don't take anything from Foul Play, so they can effectively hinder Umbreon useless.

    Mention some users of Trick like Latias, Latios, and Rotom-W in checks and counters, because Umbreon would generally be a decent response to those kinds of threats but it needs to watch for the potential Trick.
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    Talonflame isn't just for Mega Luke, it can check pretty much every Fighting-type that likes to switch in on Umbreon like Conkeldurr and Breloom too. I did add Aegislash though. The C & C section has been cleaned up too.
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    Talked this over with Fuzznip and we came on an agreement with the team options section:

    Mention Conkeldurr and Mega Venusaur as Pokemon that work well with Umbreon, both appreciate the wish support, while Conkeldurr is a more fitting Pokemon in a team that works in tandem with Umbreon's support than say, Talonflame. It allows you to revenge things like Terrakion and Lucario, and is generally an easier fit on balanced/bulky teams than Talonflame. Mega Venusaur deserves mention as a team option because it often gets statused and having Heal Bell / Wish support works great for it. In turn, Mega Venusaur works great against Conkeldurr as well as things like Keldeo. In short, remove Talonflame from the section and add MVenu + Conk; we're not saying you can't have a team with both Talonflame and Umbreon, but in general there are better options for the role that Talonflame provides given the team framework in which Umbreon best works in.

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    Done, this is GP ready.
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    Overview
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    The original Dark-type, Umbreon has struggled to distinguish itself in OU in past generations, but the nature of the metagame has given Umbreon a more defined niche than before. Umbreon has a huge amount of bulk, being very resilient both physically and specially on both sides of the spectrum. It's not setup bait either, as Foul Play is a threatening move to many physical attackers. Umbreon is alsot able to offer great team support as a cleric with Wish and Heal Bell, and it can switch into status moves with ease, not being crippled due to Heal Bell and punishing the opponent with Synchronize. Umbreon's bulk allows it to often avoid a 2HKO from even strong coverage moves like Focus Blast or Sacred Sword, making it a strong check or counter to many offensive Psychic- and Ghost-types.

    However, there are still factors that make Umbreon's life quite difficult in OU. It's weak to U-turn, and while it can actually take non-STAB U-turns fairly well, the opponent can pick up momentum on it with ease because of this. The omnipresent Fighting-types also switch into Umbreon very easily, especially Terrakion and Lucario, who which have Justified to take advantage of Foul Play. Finally, Umbreon faces a lot of competition for its role. Mandibuzz can be a defensive Dark-type that uses Foul Play with a secondary typing that makes it neutral to Fighting and Bug, as well as access to Defog; Blissey or Chansey are clerics with much more sheer special bulk; and Sylveon has a better typing and more consistent offensive presence. Umbreon is the only Pokemon that can bring many of these different characteristics together, though. If you're looking for a special wall, give Umbreon a try, and it might be just what you're looking for.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Foul Play
    ability: Synchronize
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpDef
    nature: Calm

    Moves
    ========
    This is Umbreon's best moveset, allowing it to support the team in many ways. Wish and Protect go hand-in-hand so that Umbreon can simultaneously support the team and have reliable recovery. Wish is especially helpful when using defensive or tank Pokemon that lack recovery of their own like such as Ferrothorn, Heatran, Landorus-T, Rotom-W, Tentacruel, and Aegislash. Protect is also helpful on its own to check for Trick, (RC) scout and Choice users, (RC) and stall for Leftovers recovery. Heal Bell rids the team of all status, helping sweepers crippled by burn or paralysis as well as walls affected by Toxic. Foul Play is very important, heavily damaging many physical attackers hoping to switch into Umbreon, as well as the Psychic and Ghost-types that it walls. While these four 4 moves are almost always the best options, a few other moves are usable. Baton Pass can be used to allow Umbreon to use Wish, take the a hit, (AC) and then switch to a Pokemon to be healed, while keeping up momentum. Toxic can hurt many defensive Pokemon that don't care about Foul Play. Moonlight can work as semi-reliable recovery if your team does not need Wish support. Yawn is also an option to force switches. If you choose to use Baton Pass, Toxic, or Yawn, they should be used over Heal Bell, as Foul Play and recovery are essential.

    Set Details
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    A specially defensive spread is preferred as Umbreon's set of resistances lends it to special walling, while Fighting and Bug are common on physical attackers. Leftovers is especially nice as the item on this Umbreon because with Wish and Protect, Umbreon will get back more than 50% with each cycle. Inner Focus is very situational in comparison to Synchronize, so that is the best ability.

    Usage Tips
    ========
    Umbreon is best used on balanced teams that want a wall that can offer team support and be a good counter to a wide variety of Pokemon while keeping pressure with Foul Play. It's important to be conservative with Foul Play if your opponent has a Terrakion or a Lucario that has not yet Mega Evolved, though. Umbreon is setup bait for Mega Lucario, so use double switches or be careful with Umbreon when your opponent has one. If you're not sure what to do, Wish is a good way to keep momentum as it can allow your other Pokemon to switch into strong attackers without being crippled. Although it is a special wall, Umbreon is not scared of many physical attackers, in particular, (RC) non-STAB U-turns, so don't be afraid to stay in on them. Use Wish often, as Umbreon is slow and something will usually appreciate the recovery. Umbreon is also a great way to deal with Aegislash as even a Choice Band-boosted Sacred Sword will never OHKO and Foul Play will deal very heavy damage, (RC) while and also not being affected by King's Shield's attack drops

    Team Options
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    A sturdy physical wall such as Skarmory, Gliscor, Landorus-T, or Hippowdon to take on the Fighting-types is very useful as Umbreon will give them ample switch-in opportunities. Conkeldurr is a great fit on the balanced teams that Umbreon thrives on and appreciates the Wish support. If Genesect or Scizor get in on Umbreon safely, someone something needs to be able to take the U-turn. Heatran, Gyarados, and Landorus-T are all good choices that also appreciate the Wish support. Fairy-type Pokemon also have an easy time switching into Umbreon, so a Poison- or Steel-type is appreciated. Aegislash has good synergy with Umbreon and appreciates the support to improve its longevity. Mega Venusaur also enjoys the Heal Bell support as since it is commonly afflicted by a burn, and can handle many Fairies Fairy- and Fighting-types like Sylveon, Conkeldurr, and Keldeo. Setup sweepers can do so boost more easily on Umbreon than other walls by predicting around Protect, so it is necessary to be able to stop these. Foul Play can take care of many physical setup sweepers, though.

    Other Options
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    Curse and Payback have been options on Umbreon for a long time, providing a long-term win condition that is near-impossible to take down once set up. Setting up is very difficult though, as Bug-, Fighting-, and Fairy-type attacks are all common. Mean Look can be used with Toxic for Umbreon to trap eliminate defensive Pokemon, but they are not useful often enough for it to be worth the moveslots on Umbreon.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Fighting-types**Terrakion is the best switch-in as it can destroy Umbreon with Close Combat, set up with Swords Dance or Rock Polish, and gets an Attack boost from Foul Play. All Fighting-types switch in fairly easily, though, for example including Conkeldurr, Breloom, and Lucario.

    **Defensive Pokemon**Any defensive Pokemon that takes little from Foul Play, such as like Mandibuzz, Blissey, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, or Hippowdon, among others, can handle Umbreon easily, although the problem isn't usually Umbreon, but the support that it provides to the team.

    **Taunt**Taunt shuts down Umbreon quite easily, although Foul Play is still dangerous. This can commonly come from Skarmory and Mandibuzz.

    **Bug-types**Genesect, Scizor, and Volcarona can all scare Umbreon out with their powerful Bug-type moves, but the former two 2 take great damage from Foul Play.

    **Fairy-Types**Azumarill and Mega Mawile both take a pittance from Foul Play due to resisting it and Foul Play not factoring in Huge Power while OHKOing with Play Rough. Specially based Fairy-types like Clefable or Gardevoir can set up or take Umbreon out as well.

    **Trick**Tricking it a Choice item will make Umbreon next to useless. Latios and Rotom-W are usually easy switch-ins for Umbreon, but they can cripple it with Trick.

    **Landorus**Landorus-I is a special attacker that can take down Umbreon with its his powerful Focus Blast.

    This was nicely done with good grammar, but you missed a couple simple things (not capitalizing "Pokemon", some missing "-types"), but they were minor and that can be remedied by checking out the standards!
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    Overview
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    The original Dark-type, Umbreon has struggled to distinguish itself in OU in past generations, but the nature of the metagame has given Umbreon a more defined niche than before. Umbreon has a huge amount of bulk, being very resilient both physically and specially. It's not setup bait either, as Foul Play is a threatening move to many physical attackers. Umbreon is also able to offer great team support as a cleric with Wish and Heal Bell, and it can switch into status moves with ease, while not being crippled due to Heal Bell and punishing the opponent with Synchronize. Umbreon's bulk allows it to often avoid a 2HKO from even strong coverage moves like Focus Blast or Sacred Sword, making it a strong check or counter to many offensive Psychic- and Ghost-types.

    However, there are still factors that make Umbreon's life quite difficult in OU. It's weak to U-turn, and while it can actually take non-STAB U-turns fairly well, the opponent can pick up momentum on it with ease because of this. The omnipresent Fighting-types also switch into Umbreon very easily, especially Terrakion and Lucario, which have Justified to take advantage of Foul Play. Finally, Umbreon faces a lot of competition for its role. Mandibuzz can be is another defensive Dark-type that uses Foul Play,(comma) with but it possesses a secondary typing that makes it neutral to Fighting- and Bug-type moves, as well as having access to the coveted Defog; Blissey or Chansey are clerics with much more sheer special bulk; and Sylveon has a better typing and more consistent offensive presence. Umbreon is the only Pokemon that can bring many of these different characteristics together, though. If you're looking for a special wall, give Umbreon a try, and it might be just what you're looking for.

    Cleric
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    name: Cleric
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect
    move 3: Heal Bell
    move 4: Foul Play
    ability: Synchronize
    item: Leftovers
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpDef
    nature: Calm

    Moves
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    This is Umbreon's best moveset, allowing it to support the team in many ways. Wish and Protect go hand-in-hand so that Umbreon can simultaneously support the team and have reliable recovery. Wish is especially helpful when using defensive Pokemon or tanks that lack recovery of their own such as Ferrothorn, Heatran, Landorus-T, Rotom-W, Tentacruel, and Aegislash. Protect is also helpful on its own to check for Trick,(comma) and scout for the attack of Choice users,(comma) and stall for Leftovers recovery. Heal Bell rids the team of all status, helping sweepers crippled by burn or paralysis as well as walls affected by Toxic. Foul Play is very important, heavily damaging many physical attackers hoping to switch into Umbreon, as well as the Psychic-(dash) and Ghost-types that it walls. While these four moves are almost always the best options, a few other moves are usable. Baton Pass can be used to allow Umbreon to use Wish, take a hit (this doesn't make much sense...) and switch to a Pokemon to be healed, keeping up momentum. Toxic can hurt many defensive Pokemon that don't care about Foul Play. Moonlight can work as semi-reliable recovery if your team does not need Wish support (perhaps it's worth mentioning that Moonlight can free up a moveslot?). Yawn is also an option to force switches. If you choose to use Baton Pass, Toxic, or Yawn, they should be used over Heal Bell, as Foul Play and recovery are essential.

    Set Details
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    A specially defensive spread is preferred as Umbreon's set of resistances lends it to special walling, while Fighting- and Bug-type moves are common on physical attackers. Leftovers is especially nice as the item on this Umbreon because with Wish and Protect, Umbreon will get back more than 50% with each cycle. Inner Focus is very situational in comparison to Synchronize, so that which is why Synchronize is the best better ability.

    Usage Tips
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    Umbreon is best used on balanced teams that want a wall that can offer team support and be a good counter to a wide variety of Pokemon while keeping pressure with Foul Play. It's important to be conservative with Foul Play if your opponent has a Terrakion or a Lucario that has not yet Mega Evolved, though. Umbreon is setup bait for Mega Lucario, so use double switches or be careful with Umbreon when your opponent has one. If you're not sure what to do, Wish is a good way to keep momentum as it can allow your other Pokemon to switch into strong attackers without being crippled. Although it is a special wall, Umbreon is not scared of many physical attackers, in particular non-STAB U-turns, so don't be afraid to stay in on them. Use Wish often, as Umbreon is slow and something will usually appreciate the recovery. Umbreon is also a great way to deal with Aegislash,(comma) as even a Choice Band-boosted Sacred Sword will never OHKO and Foul Play will deal very heavy damage and also is not be affected by King's Shield's Attack attack drops

    Team Options
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    A sturdy Sturdy physical wall walls such as Skarmory, Gliscor, Landorus-T, or Hippowdon have good synergy with Umbreon, as they can easily sponge physical, Fighting-type moves while Umbreon can provide them with ample switch-in opportunities to take on Fighting-types is very useful as Umbreon will give them ample switch-in opportunities. Conkeldurr is a great fit on the balanced teams that Umbreon thrives on and appreciates the Wish support. If Genesect or Scizor get in on Umbreon safely, something needs to be able to take the U-turn. Heatran, Gyarados, and Landorus-T are all good choices that also appreciate Wish support. Fairy-type Pokemon also have an easy time switching into Umbreon, so a Poison- or Steel-type is appreciated. Aegislash has good synergy with Umbreon and appreciates the support to improve its longevity. Mega Venusaur also enjoys the Heal Bell support as it is commonly afflicted by a burn,(remove comma) and can handle many Fairy- and Fighting-types like Sylveon, Conkeldurr, and Keldeo. Setup sweepers can boost more easily on Umbreon than other walls by predicting around Protect, so it is necessary to be able to stop these. Foul Play can take care of many physical setup sweepers, though.

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    Curse and Payback have been options on Umbreon for a long time, providing a long-term win condition that is near-impossible to take down once set up. Setting up is very difficult though, as Bug-, Fighting-, and Fairy-type attacks are all common. Mean Look can be used with Toxic for Umbreon to trap eliminate defensive Pokemon, but they are not useful often enough for anything else for it to be worth the moveslots on Umbreon.

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    **Fighting-types**:(add space + colon) Terrakion is the best switch-in as it can destroy Umbreon with Close Combat, set up with Swords Dance or Rock Polish, and gets an Attack boost from Foul Play. All Fighting-types switch in fairly easily, though, including Conkeldurr, Breloom, and Lucario.

    **Defensive Pokemon**:(add space + colon) Any defensive Pokemon that takes little from Foul Play, such as Mandibuzz, Blissey, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, or Hippowdon, can easily handle Umbreon easily, although the problem usually isn't Umbreon, but the support that it provides to the team.

    **Taunt**:(add space + colon) Taunt shuts down Umbreon quite easily, although Foul Play is still dangerous. This can commonly come from Some good Taunt users are Skarmory and Mandibuzz.

    **Bug-types**:(add space + colon) Genesect, Scizor, and Volcarona can all scare Umbreon out with their powerful Bug-type moves, but the former two take great damage from Foul Play.

    **Fairy-Types**:(add space + colon) Azumarill and Mega Mawile both take a pittance from Foul Play due to resisting their resistance to the move, as well as it and Foul Play not factoring in Huge Power; in return, they while OHKOing Umbreon with Play Rough. Specially based Fairy-types like Clefable or Gardevoir can set up or take Umbreon out as well.

    **Trick**:(add space + colon) Tricking it a Choice item will make Umbreon next to useless. Latios and Rotom-W are usually easy switch-ins for Umbreon, but they can cripple it with Trick.

    **Landorus**:(add space + colon) Landorus is a special attacker that can take down Umbreon with its powerful Focus Blast.
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    Ugh, now I need to go through and remove Mega Luke and Genesect mentions.
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    sorry to seem derpy but in my soulsilver i have an eevee and what level does it evolve so i can let it evolve at night to get umbreon like a boss
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    Welcome to Smogon!

    There are many Simple Questions threads around the site, so in the future a question like that should be posted in one of those. As for your question, Eevee doesn't evolve at a specific level into Umbreon. You need to level it up at night when Umbreon has a high friendship. You can read more about it here.
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    Umbreon's Curse/Payback set is a legendary one to me. Umbreon is my favorite Pokemon, and that set has been the crux of a lot of teams for me for a long time now. I'm interested in trying this main set out, but I just feel like leaving Umbreon's physical defense that open to the likes of Azumarill isn't a great idea considering Umbreon's defense can be usable with the right investment and moveset. Most Curse sets are kind of viewed as outdated and obsolete nowadays, but I feel like Umbreon can really still run it. And, as long as Aegislash isn't running Sacred Sword, it serves as a very solid counter now that Payback can hit Aegislash with super effective damage.

    Maybe I'm just biased because I love this little guy so much.
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    Is Physically defensive Umbreon deemed to be outclassed by Mandibuzz? As it does have a few uses not least of which is checking/countering Bisharp and Tyranitar (if they lack a fighting move, which almost all of them do this gen). the latter considerably better than Mandibuzz as it has no Rock/Ice weaknesses.
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    It's not necessarily that it's outclassed by other physically defensive Dark-types (although Krookodile is a better Tyranitar counter and Mandibuzz does better against Bisharp) but that Umbreon's typing lends itself to special walling, and it already has good special bulk, and it has common physical weaknesses. Mandibuzz's Flying-type lets it be neutral to Bug- and Fighting-type moves, while Umbreon is weak to those common physical types.
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    My most successful team uses the standard Umbreon set, although the EVs are more mixed defensively than just special. Defense EVs are a must against Aegislash.
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    It'd be really awesome if this gave some ideas for moves we could give Umbreons bred in XY because two of those being move tutor moves kind of makes it sucky for people coming here to look for an Umbreon set they can feasibly get in X and Y and have to turn away with almost nothing. (admittedly I do appreciate your other options and will be using a few but insisting they dont really cover the moves that you cant even get on an umberon this gen)
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    Unless I'm mistaken (and in which case I apologize), these analyses are meant to give competitive players an overview and list (currently) the most viable sets each Pokemon has. Because of programs/simulators like PS, these articles can (and have to) account for all possible move-sets, regardless of how easily they are to acquire in-game. As an in-game trainer myself, I know how you feel about tutor-only moves, but that's not really the point of these analyses.
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